Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

An unproven platform, yes, the IAF will not go for it without it being proven. So minimum 2030 for a Su-57 decision, whether they wanna buy it outright (3+ years from contract), MKIze it (7+ years), or go for FGFA (13-15 years).

Waiting for either Su-57 MKI or F-35 Block-4 to mature would mean they'd be available at around the same time as AMCA.

Any import would not be entertained at that point. If we want a stop-gap, obviously that can't be what we aim for. IF we want a stopgap, that is.

We don't. Our procurement plan prepares us to deal with the J-20.

Our procurement plan already involves inducting a J-35 equivalent in the 2030s - the AMCA.

But this plan means we'd only operationalize our J-35 equivalent about a decade after PAF does. The question is do we want to do that sooner? If answer is yes, then we need a stop-gap import. If no, then just stay the course.

Within AMCA's timeline the main threat will be 6th gen. So we are not playing this generation game within this modernization cycle.

AMCA will have a long upgrade path ahead of it. The initial version with F414 will be readily equivalent to J-35 & be able to survive against J-20, while the next-gen engines will make it superior to both while holding its own against Chinese 6G.

Continuing from the previous point, we are gonna jump straight to whatever will be considered advanced in 2060.

The path to that leads through AMCA and the next-gen engine program.

SCAF will be operational only by 2050, 10 years after AMCA.

Yeah - that's what I said. We want a stealthy platform operational at least a decade before the French plan to.

It's not about generic stealth, it's about avionics and networking.

The airframe is a necessary component, the rest will be mostly upgradable onto even 4.5G platforms. Mostly.

We're even likely to create a Tejas Mk-3 with the next-gen engine.
 
India's Adampur Airbase has the S-400. This image of Adampur was released on 11th May showing no damage.
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There is nothing to analyse/interpret here. You think a S-400 would get hit & thousands of satellites orbiting earth wouldn't take crytsal clear pictures of it. US officials would be the first to confirm it to embarrass Russia.

Pakistanis keep confusing Adampur Airbase with Udhampur Airbase where 1 person died due to debris of intercepted projectile(likely a drone)
 
India's Adampur Airbase has the S-400. This image of Adampur was released on 11th May showing no damage.
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There is nothing to analyse/interpret here. You think a S-400 would get hit & thousands of satellites orbiting earth wouldn't take crytsal clear pictures of it. US officials would be the first to confirm it to embarrass Russia.

Pakistanis keep confusing Adampur Airbase with Udhampur Airbase where 1 person died due to debris of intercepted projectile(likely a drone)
This photo is obviously fake, no doubt about it. If I think the United States is more willing to announce the loss of HQ9 than S400, but there is no photo evidence either.
 
This photo is obviously fake, no doubt about it. If I think the United States is more willing to announce the loss of HQ9 than S400, but there is no photo evidence either.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Indian bases suffered almost no damage at all. Pakistan's bases suffered large scale damage. Surely one country's AD worked while other country's AD failed miserably.

Sorry, but Chinese AD is certainly not up to the mark otherwise Pakistan's bases would not be looking like swiss-cheese.
 
This photo is obviously fake, no doubt about it. If I think the United States is more willing to announce the loss of HQ9 than S400, but there is no photo evidence either.
You tell me. If India's air-launched stand-off airstrikes(Scalp, Brahmos, Rampage) on PAF Airbases covering the entire breadth of Pakistani heartland successfully hit their targets, and we're talking about symbolic precision strikes not saturation attacks, then either:

1. PAF's chinese-origin Air Defence Systems (ADS) cannot properly detect & intercept such attacks.
or
2. These ADS are capable of detecting & intercepting such attacks, but they didn't, which means they were disabled.

So which one is it??? Cause we know it for a fact that HQ-9 is deployed at Noor Khan Airbase
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& this happened at Noor Khan AFB
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which was confirmed by Maxar later on
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Indian bases suffered almost no damage at all. Pakistan's bases suffered large scale damage. Surely one country's AD worked while other country's AD failed miserably.
The scale of the attacks by both countries is not comparable. Pakistan used only Fateh-1 rockets, some Turkish drones, and two CM400AKGs, while India used 100 BrahMos and many Storm Shadows, as well as a large number of Harop drones.
 
You tell me. If India's air-launched stand-off airstrikes(Scalp, Brahmos, Rampage) on PAF Airbases covering the entire breadth of Pakistani heartland successfully hit their targets, and we're talking about symbolic precision strikes not saturation attacks, then either:

1. PAF's chinese-origin Air Defence Systems (ADS) cannot properly detect & intercept such attacks.
or
2. These ADS are capable of detecting & intercepting such attacks, but they didn't, which means they were disabled.

So which one is it??? Cause we know it for a fact that HQ-9 is deployed at Noor Khan Airbase
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& this happened at Noor Khan AFB
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which was confirmed by Maxar later on
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Who knows what happened? I saw a video on social media the other day. HQ 9 was deployed to Lahore, where it had never been before. We also don't know what Pakistan's air defense deployment looks like.
 
The scale of the attacks by both countries is not comparable. Pakistan used only Fateh-1 rockets, some Turkish drones, and two CM400AKGs, while India used 100 BrahMos and many Storm Shadows, as well as a large number of Harop drones.
Again with the cope. :ROFLMAO: "100 brahmos were used"
Less than 15 brahmos were used. No more than 25 to 35 Stand-off munitions in total consisting of Rampage, Brahmos, Scalp were used. All of which were air-launched from Su-30, Rafales, Jaguars. No ground launched munitions used. No ballistic missiles used. Just goes to show the difference in offensive capabilities bw India & pakistan
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Pakistan launched around 300 to 400 drones to saturate Indian ADS, easily taken down. India launched like 10% of the amount of projectiles launched by Pakistan in comparison. Just shows how precise & lethal Brahmos can be if you use chinese ADS. Technological superiority in stand-off strikes. 10 times the damage with just 1/10 amount of missiles/drones.


Who knows what happened? I saw a video on social media the other day. HQ 9 was deployed to Lahore, where it had never been before. We also don't know what Pakistan's air defense deployment looks like.
See.....the difference b/w what he knows & what he doesn't know :ROFLMAO:
He knows it for a fact that 100 brahmos were used, a number he pulled out of his *censored*. But he doesn't know where HQ-9 were deployed even though I just posted the pictures of HQ-9 deployed at Noor Khan AFB.

The cope is hilarious. So, I will reiterate it again, what option would you like to choose, cause it has to be 1 of these:

1. PAF's chinese-origin Air Defence Systems (ADS) cannot properly detect & intercept such attacks.
or
2. These ADS are capable of detecting & intercepting such attacks, but they didn't, which means they were disabled.
 
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Please provide picture evidence of the loss of HQ9, I have not even found an official statement from the Indian government that destroyed HQ9
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The one above is the Fateh 2 and the one below is the A100, are there any similarities?
It's from the weishi series. The fatah is too well made for the industrial capabilities of Pakistan. It's clear Chinese influence is there. The Chinese have a huge and deep arsenal of mrls. Norinco might have assisted them.
The Fatah-II, a more advanced system with a 400 km range, is mounted on a Chinese Taian TAS5450 eight-wheel drive chassis, indicating continued reliance on Chinese technology for mobility. Some sources suggest the Fatah-II may be related to the Chinese B611M or BP-12A short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs), which share a similar range and twin-canister launcher design. However, the Fatah-II’s design and capabilities, such as its flat trajectory and precision guidance, suggest significant Pakistani modifications, potentially diverging from a direct copy.While the Fatah series incorporates Chinese technology, Pakistan’s National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM) has emphasized indigenous development, particularly for guidance systems and avionics, making the Fatah missiles a hybrid of Chinese and Pakistani engineering. Definitive evidence of a single Chinese system as the sole basis is inconclusive, as the missiles appear to integrate elements from multiple sources.
OK, let's take stock of China's first standoff weapons, starting with the massive KD88,
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and then YJ91
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and then KD63
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and then akf98a
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Only the akf-98a seems like a problem.
 
"100 brahmos were used" :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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I wasn't very sure of the effect of Brahmos in real battlefield. But i have to say, Brahmos has proven itself. More than the actual physical damage, its the psychological fear thats so satisfying. A mach 3.0 missile that cannot be intercepted by the best of your ADS, hitting you like a thunder.

This video of a brahmos strike is fu_cking terrifying.

AASMANI BIJLI is real:ROFLMAO:
The real problem for pakistan is that we have more than a 1000 of these. If just 15 of these caused such havoc what will 1000+ do??
And lo & behold a new factory has been opened with 100 to 150 annual production capacity
 
Some sources suggest the Fatah-II may be related to the Chinese B611M or BP-12A short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs), which share a similar range and twin-canister launcher design. However, the Fatah-II’s design and capabilities, such as its flat trajectory and precision guidance, suggest significant Pakistani modifications, potentially diverging from a direct copy.While the Fatah series incorporates Chinese technology, Pakistan’s National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM) has emphasized indigenous development, particularly for guidance systems and avionics, making the Fatah missiles a hybrid of Chinese and Pakistani engineering.
Interestingly, the Turks also make a version of the B611M under license (NORINCO?). They have since graduated to larger, local designs. The Fatah series is likely Turkish ToT/co-development w/AWC, NESCOM and other Pakistani entities, much like the YIHA-3 swarm drone.
 
India didn't use 100 brahmos. Give your source for that number

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You are talking to a wall. We have hit Pakistan so much that they even stopped counting. We created a crater in their airfield; they are still not operational. The Chinese air defense proved to be JUNK. now finding excuses to save their face.
 
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When will you agree that Su-30MKI is superior. We have had this discussion between us from 2015 onwards and I told you that we need more MKIs and not rafale. Just wait what happens after this war. We may even cancel the order for Rafale-M. mark my post. Everything same, and Su-30MKI outperforms Rafale. TBT, Su-30MKIs had to support Rafale on 7th Morning. It was the largest airwar ever after WW2. Over 230 ac from IAF involved as strike element and defenders for returning strikes and over 100 ac from PAF trying to stop IAF strike. Tell me one air battle ever which involved so many aircraft. This figure is not about fighters only, It includes support elemenst as well. Rafale has a big problem with Hammer. They need to increase its range. As for its active stealth capability, it is third rate. Kissi din aaram se btaunga ki kya hua tha. Rafale was taken out of active actions. I knw you will not believe it. Su-30MKI did the job.
Rafale was reduced to the job of just Air defence and LCA can do it better than Rafale. Proven useless in strike role.
Source, RT, Shputneeq?
The statement is so caricatured that it's grotesque.

And if these are sources within the military establishment (which I doubt a lot a lot), advise them to stop drinking adulterated vodka and switch to mineral water.
with all respect due.


Kissi din aaram se btaunga ki kya hua tha.
मैं सचमुच इसके लिए तत्पर हूं!
 
The scale of the attacks by both countries is not comparable. Pakistan used only Fateh-1 rockets, some Turkish drones, and two CM400AKGs, while India used 100 BrahMos and many Storm Shadows, as well as a large number of Harop drones.
The copium amount taken by you is off the charts(OD levels) approaching opium addiction level during century of humiliation under the Manchu boots for han.

No, 100 brahmos were not used, that number came up because Norwood-zeb (DGAR of Pak fizzliya) said 100 projectiles were launched, it is mixture of decoys, drones and actual strike packages like <=15 brahmos in between them. Even PeeDF accepted that 100 brahmos number is BS and cam be verified by the amount videos we have seen with 100 brahmos fired Pakees would be making so many tiktoks than they have already made and so many missed craters would have been found in the satellite images of airbases from maxar et al, like the spray and pray russian attacks on ukraine airfields, instead what we see is runways cratered at the juction of 2, with no other impact point and similarly only hangars are whacked not some rando buildings etc. The strikes were measured in quantum of projectiles which delivered the actual package to send a message and the message has been delivered.

I suggest a new cope for you, that is PAF and PA air defence crew is sh!t not the equipment, because the 100 brahmos cope is too unreal to be true.

India didn't use 100 brahmos. Give your source for that number
Norwood-zeb gave it, but he said vectors or some buzzword and added brahmos and soft-kill to the mix and said that some hit Afghanistan also🤣, which was promptly denied by Taliban. Later in PeeDF they had a discussion and agreed 100 number was misquoted as I explained above. But looks like chinese social media is inundated with claims which show their equipment in postive light and any drawback is due to difference in scale of attacks etc BS not that Pak air defence is found lacking simply called 'copium'


Weibo said so. It is the best source!
You make a good point to understand the talking points probably chinese social media is inundated with like the initial claim of 18(?) mohemmdans among killed in Pahalgam terrorist attack spread in Pakee whatsapp grps, such that even ex-diplomat zafar hila le mentioned in one tweet🤣 and before that LeT( trf) mentioned that attack was in response to settlers then modified statement to add that they targeted off-duty officers following some rumors spread(by Col Hunny Bakshi) that IB officers on holiday were targets. So LeT modified the statement that they targeted non-civilians and Al-jalzeera also spread it bur later when truth came out, only one IB officer (from Bihar in Hyd), one Navy officer from (Haryana) and one Airforce officer from (Arunachal Pradesh) were there and the heat was too much LeT(trf) retracted it and said their account was hacked or some sh!t twice🤣🤣. I think Pakees made them do it to keep their new pet trf off too much scrutiny.
 
India didn't use 100 brahmos. Give your source for that number
Likely conjured it from its *censored* like many of the other fantasies it spews here (remember "we can intercept all Agni 5s!") Lol

It's actually much bigger than iskander and has a range of 2000km
Considering PAC in Ukraine intercepted something like kinzhal I'm not worried about it but the cruise missile in last pic seems to be capable of causing problems
 
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