Operation Sindoor: Aftermath

We lost a rafale to pl-15. The whole RCS meme is dead with satellite targetting and AEWCS. You just can't negotiate with size and range. Pl-17 will be huge problem especially if the Chinese have a decent inventory of them by 2030. And our AEWCS would themselves face danger.
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We need assymetric options in the short to medium term. Imo, one alternative could be to repackage the Astra Mk1's seeker and propulsion into a smaller self-defence AAM similar to LMs CUDA. We already have the building blocks via the VSHORADS/MPDMS project - tech like RCS thrusters.

The key is to increase the A2A loadout for our combat ac (perhaps these SD-AAMs could be sized for 80mm rocket launcher pods (a la APKWS which are already being deployed in the CUAS role by the US)

This will keep them in the fight and allow them to close in for a shot. Another benefit is reduced need for evasive manoeuvres. (The MKI is reportedly getting an AI pilot's associate as part of its UPG - theoretically it can determine the optimal launch point once incoming PL-17 is detected)

For the long term, DRDO is reportedly working on triple pulse propulsion and LFRJ/STAR is reportedly also adapted for A2A role.
We need longer ranged BVR missiles. Not stuff like CUDA. That's an American requirement since they have vlo aircraft. We don't have any fifth gen. We just need a 210-300mm diameter BVR missile which could comfortably reach 400-480km which data link, cooperative targetting and satellite targetting capability. That's it.
Pakistanis must have done some immaculate *censored* kissing.
 
The Kind of Flattering and Buttering up , Shahbaz Sharif is displaying in front of Trump , shows how desperate Pakistan is to involve USA FOR preventing the Next Strike on Pakistan
 
The Kind of Flattering Shahbaz Sharif is displaying in front of Trump , shows how desperate Pakistan is to involve USA FOR preventing the Next Strike on Pakistan
Trump had bailed out Pakistan from annihilation, obviously he will do anything Trump wants. But history will tell 2025 incident as mere skirmish on steroid, we had the choice of expelling Pakistanis few square kilometers from POK but choose not to do.
 
We lost a rafale to pl-15. The whole RCS meme is dead with satellite targetting and AEWCS. You just can't negotiate with size and range. Pl-17 will be huge problem especially if the Chinese have a decent inventory of them by 2030. And our AEWCS would themselves face danger.

I do not know whether Rafale was lost or not but it is quite possible to lose any plane including F22 if wrong tactic is followed. this doesn't make plane bad. PL-17 can be a problem but mostly for tanker and big aircraft. at 400 k.m. what sort of energy will be left to maneuver is a big question mark. We need to put it in possible hazard list and start working on solution to counter it. We too are working on Gandiv with 350 k.m range and RAMJET powered to have good amount of energy left in terminal maneuvers. We can extend it to beyond 400 k.m if required. We have increased Astra Mk1 range to 160 k.m and Astra Mk2 range to 240 k.m. We can extend Gandiv's range as well.
We haven't even reverse engineered the pl-15 which we very well could. But instead our bureaucracy will make sure to stifle and suffocate any such attempts to impress the "international community".
Actually it is not required. When it was asked to one of our scientist, he had told that what technology India use in Astra is superior to PL-15. No need for reverse engineering. What was needed was profiling and development of counter measure.

Pakistan isn't really important here. I'm talking about China here. The pl-17 will not be shared to the Pakistanis until pl-xx and pl-21 get inducted in large numbers. Plus the j-10 cannot fire pl-17. What will we do when the PLAAF actually does air raids around Ladakh and Arunachal when we don't have the BVR stick that outranges their BVR stick. There's a reason I was shilling for the r-37m. Pakistan has no strategic depth and will be crushed regardless. Especially considering their AD isn't impressive. And they will be bulldozed irrespective if they do any tactically brilliant or lucky moves. Attrition, HDI and economics make it impossible for the Pakistanis to do anything significant.
The Chinese on the other hand have already completed their fifth gen cycle and initiated their 6th gen cycle and are in some ways ahead of the Americans.
How are we going to deal with pl-17, kj-500 and kj2000 combo? The gandiv is not operational anytime soon. And even then its effectiveness is up for questioning. We need a 500km BVR missile to even have some kind of deterrence against the plaaf fighters and AEWCS.

The solution seems to be extended range Gandiv. Hopefully, DRDO may announce one day that the range of Gandiv can be 450 or 500 k.m. DRDO need to work on extension of range if the range of Gandiv is only 350 k.m. We are very slow in AWA&C. We need to build them fast. really fast. Netra faced some technical issues which hopefully would have been sorted out. Now, we are getting breakthrough in GAN based AESA. Our AWA&Cs are going to be very potent and effective but as usual, we will have issue with production rate. We are not going to match China is quantity, so we need to have technology superiority over China. Higher budget allocation is the key so as the technological collaborations. We are doing some pretty good work here. Missile power is our biggest deterrence against China. We need 2 good decades of economic development and political stability. If government changes and this compromised, naive traitor Rahul comes to power, whatever progress we have made shall be undone withing no time. Soros gang will take over the nation and ruined it according to their will.
 
You will never have a Meteor production line, specially when ASTRA 2 & 3 are on the agenda.
If MBDA starts license producing the storms shadow in India. All MBDA missile systems are on the table for license production.
PL-17 can be a problem but mostly for tanker and big aircraft. at 400 k.m
It will be a problem for every aircraft. If the pl-15 got successful hits every aircraft is in danger.
This longer missiles being threats to only AEWCS and tankers is only true when the missiles lack aewc and satellite targetting.
 
If MBDA starts license producing the storms shadow in India. All MBDA missile systems are on the table for license production.

It will be a problem for every aircraft. If the pl-15 got successful hits every aircraft is in danger.
This longer missiles being threats to only AEWCS and tankers is only true when the missiles lack aewc and satellite targetting.

First of all, radar should detect a plane and lock on to target to shoot a missile. It is lower of the 2 variables which will determine the killing ability of BVR. It is lower of lock on capability of Radar and kill Zone of BVR. China will need such a radar where it can lock on the something like Rafale with frontal RCS of 0.1 and whatever addition happens because of external payload. Without something like Virupaksha (With big quantity of GAN based TR Module in huge number.), any BVR's capability can not be exploited. China always hypes the capability of their weapons. We saw actually what happened in actual situation in Op. Sindoor. Against fifth Generation planes like F35, long range BVRs are useless because of limitation of Radar to detect them at long distance. If any plane cannot be detected and locked on at very long distance, BVR range is useless.
 
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. If the pl-15 got successful hits every aircraft is in danger.
No definite proof it got even 1 successful kill, many were launched by pakistan for sure.

So far there is one 1 rafale crash that can supposedly be accepted as true, crashed near airforce station Bhatinda, most likely got hit before, was limping towards the airbase almost made it, but not quite.


And as that crash is near Lahore where HQ9 sam battery is present, so we can't say for sure if it was A2A or G2A kill.

Also add, that Pakistani j10 are stationed in airforce base kamra, up north of lahore& pubjab, near kashmir. And IAF strike were through almost entirety of indo-pak border at the same time, including targets near kashmir too which rationality should force PAF's top dog squadron to intercept incoming strike packing from the direction of indian kashmir and not go down south towards Punjab.
 
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