News One dead, three injured in clashes between two groups in UP

[Infowarrior]

thank you for the above. however, you are reacting to the news from the OP without giving your source/ basis.

however, with your assertion above, the mainstream media is a target of both right wing (As provided by facts of naming a Hindu community as perpetrators when required, but not naming minority community if there is a reason for them being perpetrators) as well as left wing.

by your logic that "corporate houses can be bought or have their own agenda", we can also say the same about smaller publications (As the one you have provided). what is the say that they are epitome of correctness and have no bias/agenda of their own?

I have edited the stuff and added the link and pictures...

What I'm saying is... just What if ? ABVP created a fusion of Bhagwa+Tiranga yatra through muslim locality and shouted provocative slogans...
I just want people to investigate the matter..

Kasganj is the land of "Amir Khusro" ... I think Urdu poets are also people of logic... philosophy is a type of logic

i have become you, and you have become me
i am the body, you the soul
so that no one can say, hereafter,
that you are someone else and I am someone else…​

Muslims are a minority in India, lots of people blame them for creating Pakistan. They are a cornered minorities in sea of Hindus fighting for their survival. I like fighters. police is biased to them... out of fear they keep weapons for their safety

 

[Shajida Khan]

@Shajida Khan Can you analyze this, do you think that there is a conspiracy to divide people on communal and religious lines. ? Who is guilty here ? Its clear who will benefit from polarization...
@safriz

Apparently there is a Video of this incidence doing rounds. Issue is that rumor mongering is strong around it. I will say, lets wait till more news on this pours in.

 

[Bharath]

I have edited the stuff and added the link and pictures...

What I'm saying is... just What if ? ABVP created a fusion of Bhagwa+Tiranga yatra through muslim locality and shouted provocative slogans...
I just want people to investigate the matter..

Kasganj is the land of "Amir Khusro"

"what if" is a slippery slope my friend. once you base your replies on "what is" it opens the can for any theory that can suit anyones view. which is why we debate on news sources - not "what ifs" or we clearly mention something as an "opinion" where the basis for such opinion should also be presented.

 

[Bharath]

Here is a unadultrated video of the situation.... people are shouting in Hindi... "Yatra yahin se nikalegi" "rally will go only from here"
"Hindustan mein rehna hoga tho vande mataram kehna hoga" "If you want to live in India then you will have to say Vande mataram"

what is the problem with the above? i do not see anyone telling Muslims to go to Pakistan.
why should someone be killed for this?
its a republic day of India, whats wrong in taking a yatra from ANYWHERE? why should the yatra NOT go from a certain place?

 

[bonobashi]

request you again: do not paint entire community. please use the words "extremist <ideology>" or "fringe elements of <ideology>". there are MANY patriotic muslims who have opposing views from the right wing.

@Infowarrior

Do not be hypocritical and name Hindus, without naming the Muslims who clashed with them, especially as Hindus are right-wing, and Muslims are left-wing. But never make the mistake of clubbing Muslims together, as Muslims, because there are many patriotic Muslims who are right-wing.
(Please try to get this: left-wing are automatically unpatriotic; MANY Muslims must therefore be left-wing. But at the same time, MANY Muslims are patriotic, so they are right-wing).

Why are you engaging in these utterly nonsensical conversations?

 

[Bharath]

Do not be hypocritical and name Hindus, without naming the Muslims who clashed with them, especially as Hindus are right-wing, and Muslims are left-wing. But never make the mistake of clubbing Muslims together, as Muslims, because there are many patriotic Muslims who are right-wing.
(Please try to get this: left-wing are automatically unpatriotic; MANY Muslims must therefore be left-wing. But at the same time, MANY Muslims are patriotic, so they are right-wing).

Why are you engaging in these utterly nonsensical conversations?

I did not understand your quote - I am guessing sarcasm.
clarifying this before it gets out of hand:
patriotic people exist on both sides, right wing and left wing
people from every community exist on both sides : right wing, left wing
extremist ideologies exists in every community
being a muslim does not make one unpatriotic
being a left winger does not make one unpatriotic
being a mulsim left winger also does not make one unpatriotic

this is why i have mentioned not to paint entire communities as betrayers etc.

on a personal note @bonobashi I am still waiting for your clarification on your view "left wing does not contain communist ideology."

 

[Bharath]

Muslims are a minority in India, lots of people blame them for creating Pakistan. They are a cornered minorities in sea of Hindus fighting for their survival. I like fighters. police is biased to them... out of fear they keep weapons for their safety

I am with you on shielding Muslims or any minority/majority whoever from undue oppression and questioning their patriotism.
"police are biased to them - out of fear they keep weapons"
as long as the weapons are illegal, they are illegal. Indian police really does not have a good name (high corruption nepotism etc) that does not mean everyone in India should keep weapons my friend.

 

[Aravind]

I have edited the stuff and added the link and pictures...

What I'm saying is... just What if ? ABVP created a fusion of Bhagwa+Tiranga yatra through muslim locality and shouted provocative slogans...
I just want people to investigate the matter..

Kasganj is the land of "Amir Khusro" ... I think Urdu poets are also people of logic... philosophy is a type of logic

i have become you, and you have become me​

i am the body, you the soul​

so that no one can say, hereafter,​

that you are someone else and I am someone else…​

Muslims are a minority in India, lots of people blame them for creating Pakistan. They are a cornered minorities in sea of Hindus fighting for their survival. I like fighters. police is biased to them... out of fear they keep weapons for their safety

Dude, It was Muslims who rioted and killed for Pakistan ,Not Christians ,Parsis,Buddhists,Jews,Animists ,Sikhs.
Because they couldn't live with Kafir Hindus.
What is the population of Hindus or Dharmic people in Pakistan ,Bangladesh now? What is the Population of Muslims now in India?

Fighting for survival yeah right! First ask for a separate country kill 1 million people for it, then claim victim. How does such logic even work?

Maybe it's time every Hindu keeps weapons out of fear, then things might calm down.What say?
This Secularism gave Hindus nothing in return , instead Hindus are taxed and burdened more and more with bearing the cross of Secularism.
It is a good thing more and more Hindus realize that Secularism is propped up on the shoulders of Hindus, while rest keep have no such compulsions of with holding such Secularism. The change in attitude and groundswell support for Hindutva is what tells me,more and more are discarding such Sickular ideas.

 

[Infowarrior]

Apparently there is a Video of this incidence doing rounds. Issue is that rumor mongering is strong around it. I will say, lets wait till more news on this pours in.

All I'm saying is there should be a proper investigation, public has the right to know the truth...

 

[bonobashi]

I did not understand your quote - I am guessing sarcasm.
clarifying this before it gets out of hand:
patriotic people exist on both sides, right wing and left wing
people from every community exist on both sides : right wing, left wing
extremist ideologies exists in every community
being a muslim does not make one unpatriotic
being a left winger does not make one unpatriotic
being a mulsim left winger also does not make one unpatriotic

this is why i have mentioned not to paint entire communities as betrayers etc.

on a personal note @bonobashi I am still waiting for your clarification on your view "left wing does not contain communist ideology."

I am sorry, I did not realise that my answers were being timed.

 

[bonobashi]

I did not understand your quote - I am guessing sarcasm.
clarifying this before it gets out of hand:
patriotic people exist on both sides, right wing and left wing
people from every community exist on both sides : right wing, left wing
extremist ideologies exists in every community
being a muslim does not make one unpatriotic
being a left winger does not make one unpatriotic
being a mulsim left winger also does not make one unpatriotic

this is why i have mentioned not to paint entire communities as betrayers etc.

on a personal note @bonobashi I am still waiting for your clarification on your view "left wing does not contain communist ideology."

I can only say that you made a very bad job of it; whether intentionally or not, I have no idea. But it was a badly-drafted response, both sections of it, whether we assume malice or ineptitude.

 

[bonobashi]

@Bharath

My sincere personal advice is that you should stay away from political definitions; it may be difficult to stay away from political discussions. However, it's entirely up to you.

 

[Bharath]

I can only say that you made a very bad job of it; whether intentionally or not, I have no idea. But it was a badly-drafted response, both sections of it, whether we assume malice or ineptitude.

it is a forum. I cannot put my voice to portray my context. I have hence cleared the air instead of bullying/calling someone "dimwit" or "inept".

 

[Bharath]

@Bharath

My sincere personal advice is that you should stay away from political definitions; it may be difficult to stay away from political discussions. However, it's entirely up to you.

I believe I have enough comprehension abilities to know what the definitions of politics. I have given enough and more examples to you as to why communism is reagrded as "left" ideology. only you are saying "this is wrong, you do not know" without giving any counter arguments.

 

[bonobashi]

it is a forum. I cannot put my voice to portray my context. I have hence cleared the air instead of bullying/calling someone "dimwit" or "inept".

You feel bullied? Because you were told that you were insufficiently informed?

 

[bonobashi]

I believe I have enough comprehension abilities to know what the definitions of politics. I have given enough and more examples to you as to why communism is reagrded as "left" ideology. only you are saying "this is wrong, you do not know" without giving any counter arguments.

I have answered clearly. Read my answers. Please.

Your examples only show that communists are regarded as leftist. Nothing more. In case you continue to have difficulty in comprehension, this is a necessary but not sufficient definition of leftist inclination.

 

[Infowarrior]

Apparently there is a Video of this incidence doing rounds. Issue is that rumor mongering is strong around it. I will say, lets wait till more news on this pours in.

What I'm saying is... just What if ? ABVP created a fusion of Bhagwa+Tiranga yatra through muslim locality and shouted provocative slogans...
I just want people to investigate the matter..

Can you understand the psychological effect when a group of people carrying Tricolor and bhagwa and vermilion on forehead enter into a muslim neighborhood. Muslims who have seen lots of riots in the past... I'm saying just think from a muslim perspective
@Bharath psychological effect can be used to provoke a fight... plus lots of conflicting misinformation to bury the actual reason
I like to consider riots as mini-civil wars... and wars are fought for economic reasons...

Because if a Hindu-Muslim riot happens in a muslim area, its the muslims who lose the most...

 

[bonobashi]

I believe I have enough comprehension abilities to know what the definitions of politics. I have given enough and more examples to you as to why communism is reagrded as "left" ideology. only you are saying "this is wrong, you do not know" without giving any counter arguments.

The definition of politics, perhaps, but not of the classes and not of the processes. I do not believe that you comprehend those. That is why I request you, very politely, to learn more and then come into such discussions. Again, it is up to you to agree or not.

As far as I am concerned, it is difficult to continue a discussion when an answer of mine is not understood and instead, it is resented that an answer has not been given.

 

[Bharath]

The definition of politics, perhaps, but not of the classes and not of the processes. I do not believe that you comprehend those.

I have given a reply to every question of yours.
given examples ranging from wikipedia, even the CPIM's own website.
also given you the link to the books I read from amazon (check its write up)

now its up to you to defend your position. calling someone "you do not comprehend - you are dimwit - inept" despite showing so many examples only shows how well you can articulate your arguments.

 

[bonobashi]

I have given a reply to every question of yours.
given examples ranging from wikipedia, even the CPIM's own website.
also given you the link to the books I read from amazon (check its write up)

now its up to you to defend your position. calling someone "you do not comprehend - you are dimwit - inept" despite showing so many examples only shows how well you can articulate your arguments.

There is a gap that cannot be bridged. Not by me at any rate. Sorry. Try the next street.