News One dead, three injured in clashes between two groups in UP

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bonobashi said:
Oh, they understand each other only too well. This was an immature attempt at bravado, that got out of hand. That is the most charitable interpretation.
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Politicians understand mass psychology so well, ... was this actually a chance event ? did a politician send this abvp rally through this neighborhood expecting something like this would happen.... which politician and party would benefit from this ... ?
 
Infowarrior said:
Watch the video again... the muslim area is decorated for republic day celebration....

What I'm saying is if a fusion rally(tiranga+bhagwa) shouting "If you want to stay in India then you have to say vande mataram" pass through muslim area, forcibly... knowing muslims would react in a certain way...

Can mass psychology be used to provoke a riot ?... this rally was send through this area knowing there would be a fight... then spread information about death of a Hindu boy(my sincere condolences to the family) while taking tiranga yatra... both parties Hindus and Muslim don't understand each other... there is conflicting perspectives in the minds of both groups...
Can this be used as a strategy ? be used to provoke a riot.. ?

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What is so wrong in asking people to say ' VANDE MATARAM' it was our call for Independence was it not? or are you from Pakistan and you believe your call was different?

If Muslims are peeved at VANDE MATARM.
Why should Hindus uphold your so called Secularism? What do we get in return for doing so. Do we get some benefits?
You take over our Temples and hoard our donations, give HAJ subsidies to Minorities.
RTE ACT only for Hindu run Schools and more...

Kya Hamne Theka liya he kya Poora Secularism ka? Bhaad mein jaye Secularism.

The rally went through a Muslim area ( which was celebrating Republic day as per you) why should they be provoked by 'VANDE MATARAM' or saffron flag?
Two Hindu kids died due to firing from Muslims who were ambushing their rally.
Now who came prepared to Ambush ?
Certainly not the youth who took out Tiranga Yatra, You were justifying Weapons at homes of Muslims earlier, What do you think will happen when every Hindu starts keeping weapons in their homes?

Next time don't come to Hindu Neighborhoods, if you don't like Saffron flags.
 
bonobashi said:
I don't understand what is mass psychology. But trailing saffron flags through a Muslim neighbourhood creates an instant resentment, just as trailing a green flag through a particular kind of Hindu neighbourhood would create an identical resentment. However, not all such incidents reach a flash-point; there have to be other catalysts. Throwing pork into a masjid or beef into a temple would have a similar, but more intense effect.
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What I'm saying is... politicians mastermind(speculate) all these... to create polarization. this is why I think that Hindutwa is a trap to capture the emotional and intellectually weaker(a charitable word is bravery)... politicians can speculate the resentment... for them each rally is an investment, polarization and votes is the return...

Eg, I'm a local politician, I use party funds to sponsor a rally through a muslim neighborhood(investment). And if there is a riot, the people in the rally and surrounding area get polarized... Due to this religious polarization, my party gets the votes... (returns)
My only fault is that I organized/approved a tiranga(+bhagwa) rally, which just happened to go through muslim area. And unfortuantely there are communal clashes... and I just happen to benefit politically... I'm a patriot who was ambushed by certain people in a neighborhood.
 
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Infowarrior said:
politicians and leaders understand their followers... politicians understand mass psychology so well that they can predict or speculate behavior of the masses. How else do politicians fool us, election after election... they understand us too well.
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LOL, I also predict after seeing Patterns.'

Got education in Psychology and (Practical experience at)
Mob mentality, Comrade. I can perfectly understand how'Politicians behave' and how 'Leaders behave'.
Don't you include 'US' with you. Nice try with the 'US' .
I Know where you come from?
 
To be honest those days are gone when our deep state used to destabilise India .
Now India has played a jolly good game and bought off our main politicians.
Nawaz Sharif has big business with Sajjan Jindal . His sugar mills have all Indian machinery , even Indian staff.
Zardari the same.
Total annual business with India in 4 billion dollars and upwards.
We buy 4 billion dollars worth of Indian products and services, while India buys a mere 2 billion annually.
So basically 2+ billion of Pakistan's money goes to India every year. ( Figures from a 2015 state Bank of Pakistan report).
ISI was starved of money by nawaz government and had a mere 6 million dollars budget.
So we can do jack shi*t when it comes to clandestine propaganda warfare against India. Our leaders are more pro India than pro Pakistan due their financial interests in India.
Our military is being systematically blocked from taking any covert step against India.
We even failed to support Kashmiri freedom fighters for more than a decade.
In the 80s and 90s I saw myself Kashmiri fighters being trained at a Pakistani army firing range, being trained for military grade marksmanship.
Doesn't happen anymore and hasn't for over a decade.
I keep listening to Indian leaders and media blaming ISI , Pakistan for all sorts and I laugh.
 
safriz said:
I keep listening to Indian leaders and media blaming ISI , Pakistan for all sorts and I laugh.
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I guess we are done with it.... earlier we used to blame others for every other issues.... ISI used very rarely these days.....
 
safriz said:
Our military is being systematically blocked from taking any covert step against India.
We even failed to support Kashmiri freedom fighters for more than a decade.
In the 80s and 90s I saw myself Kashmiri fighters being trained at a Pakistani army firing range, being trained for military grade marksmanship.
Doesn't happen anymore and hasn't for over a decade.
I keep listening to Indian leaders and media blaming ISI , Pakistan for all sorts and I laugh.
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So who is sending all these young Punjabi boys with AK-47's across the LOC that we continue to gun down? And who do you suggest trained, armed and guided/coordinated the terrorists who attacked Mumbai in 2008, or Pathankot & Uri more recently?
 
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Infowarrior said:
@Shajida Khan Can you analyze this, do you think that there is a conspiracy to divide people on communal and religious lines. ? Who is guilty here ? Its clear who will benefit from polarization...
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I am attempting to polarize people on Nationalist and Non Nationalist lines. I think its about time we said NO to this kind of Islamic bullying. This is not the 10th century anymore.

As for who will benefit ? That is for the parties to decide. Let the CONgress turn Nationalistic and benefit from this polarization. Who is stopping them ?
 
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Because when I digged deep, I found conflicting reports that Muslims were celebrating Republic day with flag hoisting. Later, a rally led by people carrying Tricolour and Bhagwa flag. crashed the celebration. They raised provocative slogans like, India is for Hindus and Pakistan is for Muslims. They insisted on passing through certain lanes of Muslims area, ... I think this led to the ruckus. What's wrong in investigating into the matter ? ;) Why trust corporate media so blindly ? Let's see if corporate media is lying to us.,, :unsure:
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LIES.

All they did was pass through the lanes carrying the INDIAN Flag and a sprinkly of saffron flag and shout Hindustan zindabad and pakistan murdabad.

How is that "offensive" to the muslims of India ? That too on Republic day ?
 
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Most of the news editors of corporate media are hired on contract basis, they can be fired by corporates whenever they want.:confused:

The big news: Internet blocked, security increased after clashes in Kasganj, and 9 other top stories
The clashes between Hindus and Muslims on Republic Day started when a group of men waving saffron flags and the Indian tricolour set out on an unauthorised motorbike rally, the police said. They ended up disrupting a Republic Day function in a Muslim-dominated locality in the town. It led to arguments that sparked violence in another locality, around 1 km away. Guns were fired by both sides, the police said. The ensuing violece left a man named Chandan Gupta, dead, and several people injured.
Ground report: Despite peace meet in riot-hit Kasganj, Muslim residents say they feel like targets -- link

You are Technical staff, and if you are good at coding, you are a man of Logic. I prefer Logic over emotion.

How do you judge something ? you listen to both sides and arrive at a conclusion. Judges decide cases like this... Shouldn't we think like a judge and investigator instead of blindly believing in paid news ?

Do you see the Bhagwa dhwaj along with tricolor in pictures...
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So WHAT if there is a Saffron flag along with the Indian flag ?

Is the Saffron Flag and presens of Hindus and Hindu rights and Hindu belifes and feelings "Offensive" to muslims of India ?

IF that is the case then we need MORE such Tiranga yatras till such Offense is beating out of them.
 
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Infowarrior said:
try different media and get better perception., that's all I ask... here is leftist media NDTV

Here is a unadultrated video of the situation.... people are shouting in Hindi... "Yatra yahin se nikalegi" "rally will go only from here"
"Hindustan mein rehna hoga tho vande mataram kehna hoga" "If you want to live in India then you will have to say Vande mataram"

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SO what If the Yatra wanted to pass though the same lane ?

Is that lane part of pakistan or India ?

Since when did muslim dominated lanes of India become "Non grata" for Hindus of India ?

What happened to "freedom of speech" ? since when is saying "Hindustan mein rehna hoga tho vande mataram kehna hoga" illegal in India ?

"Bharat tere Tukede honge, insha allah" and "afzal guru hum sharminda hai, tere katil zinda hai" is fine and is "freedom of speech" , but somehow "Vande mataram" is "provocative and offenseive" ?

SHAME ON YOU. (n)
 
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Infowarrior said:
I have edited the stuff and added the link and pictures...

What I'm saying is... just What if ? ABVP created a fusion of Bhagwa+Tiranga yatra through muslim locality and shouted provocative slogans...
I just want people to investigate the matter..

Kasganj is the land of "Amir Khusro" ... I think Urdu poets are also people of logic... philosophy is a type of logic
i have become you, and you have become me​

i am the body, you the soul​

so that no one can say, hereafter,​

that you are someone else and I am someone else…​
Muslims are a minority in India, lots of people blame them for creating Pakistan. They are a cornered minorities in sea of Hindus fighting for their survival. I like fighters. police is biased to them... out of fear they keep weapons for their safety
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If "pakistan murdabad " and Hindustan zindabad is "provocative", then those muslims should go to pakistan ASAP.

LOL at Amir Khusro , is he the same pervert who wrote this ?

" The stone idols called Ling Mahadeo which had been established a long time at the place and on which the women of the infidels (Hindus) rubbed their vaginas for (sexual) satisfaction. (Mark the extent of the derogatory tone of the Islamic Saint Amir Khusro – Author). These, up to this time, the kick of the horse of Islam had not attempted to break. The Musalmans destroyed all the lingas, and Deo Narain fell down."


The same Amir Khusro also writes,

"The whole country, by means of the sword of our holy warriors, has become like a forest denuded of its thorns by fire. The land has been saturated with the water of the sword, and the vapours of infidelity have been dispersed. The strong men of Hind have been trodden under foot, and all are ready to pay Jizya."

He goes on to write,

"Islam is triumphant, idolatry is subdued. Had not the law granted exemption from death by the payment of poll-tax, the very name of Hind, root and branch, would have been extinguished. From Ghazni to the shore of the ocean you see all under the dominion of Islam. "

This is how Amir Khusro describes the Hindus.

"Cawing crows (Hindus) see no arrows pointed at them ; nor is the Tarsa (Christian) there, who does not fear (taras) to render the servant equal with God ; nor the Jew who dares to exalt the Pentateuch to a level with the Kuran; nor the Magli who is delighted with the worship of fire, but of whom the fire complains with its hundred tongues. The four sects of Musulmans are at amity, and the very fish are Sunnis."


Hindus are the ugly and Noisy and the unwanted Cawing crows for your hero Amir Khusro. (n)


Here is some more Amir Khusro for you,

"There were many capitals of Devs (Hindu gods) where satanism had prospered from the earliest times and where far from the pale of Islam The devil in the course of time had hatched his eggs and made his worship compulsory on the followers of the idols but now with a sincere attempt the Emperor removed these symbols of infidelity...to dispel the contamination of false beliefs from those places through the muezzin's call and the establishment of prayers. "


Here is some more writings of Amir Khusro,

"The relationship between the Turk and the Hindu cannot be described better than that the Turk is like a tiger and the Hindu a deer. It has been a long established rule of the whirling sky that the Hindus exist for the sake of the Turk. Being triumphant over them, whenever the Turk chooses to make an inroad upon them, he catches them, buys them and sells them at will. Since, the Hindu happens to be a slave in all respects, none needs exercise force on his slave. It does not become one to scowl at a goat which is being reared for one's meals. Why should one wield a sharp sword for one who will die by just a fierce look?' "


LOL at your "logic".
 
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Infowarrior said:
What I'm saying is... politicians mastermind(speculate) all these... to create polarization. this is why I think that Hindutwa is a trap to capture the emotional and intellectually weaker(a charitable word is bravery)... politicians can speculate the resentment... for them each rally is an investment, polarization and votes is the return...

Eg, I'm a local politician, I use party funds to sponsor a rally through a muslim neighborhood(investment). And if there is a riot, the people in the rally and surrounding area get polarized... Due to this religious polarization, my party gets the votes... (returns)
My only fault is that I organized/approved a tiranga(+bhagwa) rally, which just happened to go through muslim area. And unfortuantely there are communal clashes... and I just happen to benefit politically... I'm a patriot who was ambushed by certain people in a neighborhood.
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Yes, its all an evil hindu plot along the lines of Zionist plot.

Meanwhile here are the culprits who shot that kid.

Naseem, Wasim and Shamim. How is that for Police work under YOGI and MODI ?

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There are several NO-GO zones in every town in UP where anything could happen anytime.
A moderate Muslim friend of mine told me about where even women from Muslim community won't like to go through.

I'd suggest any of my Hindu brothers to keep calm & don't waste your life for showing nationalism at this situation because all political parties are high on their appeasement politics.

A Hindu life only costs 3-5 Lakhs Rs. compensation.
 
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There are several NO-GO zones in every town in UP where anything could happen anytime.
A moderate Muslim friend of mine told me about where even women from Muslim community won't like to go through.

I'd suggest any of my Hindu brothers to keep calm & don't waste your life for showing nationalism at this situation because all political parties are high on their appeasement politics.

A Hindu life only costs 3-5 Lakhs Rs. compensation.
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The same is true for almost all parts of India.

The questions is , do you want that to continue or what to put an end to these "mini pakistan" and their appeasement, once and for all ?

The time to say "Enough is Enough" is NOW. Modi and Yogi combo is the best opportunity to wipe out these vermin's.
 
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RATHORE said:
So who is sending all these young Punjabi boys with AK-47's across the LOC that we continue to gun down? And who do you suggest trained, armed and guided/coordinated the terrorists who attacked Mumbai in 2008, or Pathankot & Uri more recently?
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Dont get me wrong. We support Kashmiri freedom and their right of self determination. But this thread was about some incident in UP not Kashmir?
Also in Kashmir we don't send "Trained fighters" anymore. Or your Paramilitary wont be killing them without casualties or minimal casualties.It would be a bloodbath every time. As things stand now, If a group of Kashmiri youth, out of their own wish, want to get weapons from across the border and they can make the round trip,they get what they want. But its not an organized campaign anymore as it used to be.
@Superkaif knows a loot more about Kashmir tan me ,so i will let him clarify.
 
Sathya said:
please delete the gruesome photo.
your words are enough to put it across .
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Better get used to seeing them.

Maybe the next time you can prevent it from happening in your neighborhood.

How long will we insist on living in a cocoon and deny reality ? If you are adult enough to vote, then you are adult enough to watch real life too.

Did you notice the chin on that head ? It belonged to a man who was physically well built and knew how to stand up for himself. When Hindus stand up for themselves, guess what happens ?
 
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