Off-Topic Chit-Chat

[Hyperactive ADD]

My dear sir, I asked for hard based publicly available technical proof based on data but you offered just conjecture.

I mean, doesnt PL17 and PL21 match R37M in range? Just based on this 1 narrow definition which may not even be an efficient way to totally determine a radars efficacy how can we suddenly determine Su 35 has a superior radar?

US also doesnt have an R37M equivalent yet so are you also suggesting Su 35 has a more capable and powerful radar than the APG81 on the F35???

I don’t see what kind of "public data" you are supposedly quoting here.
Particularly regarding the data on China—after all, I have lived in China for 40 years and have been active on the internet for over two decades, yet even I am unaware of this public data. So, where exactly did your "public data" come from?
The F-35's radar is, of course, inferior to that of the Su-35. The difference in aperture alone is massive; the advantages of advanced manufacturing nodes (semiconductor processes) are simply not enough to make up for the deficiency in aperture and weight redundancy. This is basic physics.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

My dear sir, I asked for hard based publicly available technical proof based on data but you offered just conjecture.

I mean, doesnt PL17 and PL21 match R37M in range? Just based on this 1 narrow definition which may not even be an efficient way to totally determine a radars efficacy how can we suddenly determine Su 35 has a superior radar?

US also doesnt have an R37M equivalent yet so are you also suggesting Su 35 has a more capable and powerful radar than the APG81 on the F35???

Furthermore, things must be compared on an apples-to-apples basis.
Where are the PL-17 and PL-21?
I don't see them.
Besides, analogs with similar parameters existed 30 years ago, like the KS-172.
And the R-37 went through roughly the same duration of product maturation.
There is a world of difference between a "PowerPoint product" and combat-ready equipment—there is often a gap of over a decade, or even 20 years, in between. If one simply ignores such objective discrepancies, it becomes incredibly easy to arrive at the conclusions you mentioned.
By that logic, the T-14 is equipped with four-faced radars, including the millimeter-wave radar that Object 195 was already fitted with 30 years ago. Does this, based on your viewpoint, prove that Russia's electronic technology is superior to that of the United States and China?

Russia's current small missile corvettes, such as the Project 22800 which displaces only a few hundred tons, are packed with AESA antennas.
China has no equivalent analogue to this. Does this prove that Russia's AESA miniaturization and commercialization maturity far surpass those of both China and the United States?

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

My dear sir, I asked for hard based publicly available technical proof based on data but you offered just conjecture.

I mean, doesnt PL17 and PL21 match R37M in range? Just based on this 1 narrow definition which may not even be an efficient way to totally determine a radars efficacy how can we suddenly determine Su 35 has a superior radar?

US also doesnt have an R37M equivalent yet so are you also suggesting Su 35 has a more capable and powerful radar than the APG81 on the F35???

Putting China aside for a moment, the Su-57's CPU performance is ten times that of the F-22, and it is additionally equipped with L-band and side-facing radars.
Why does no one dare to admit that the F-22's radar is inferior to the Su-57's?
It is simply because using truth and rationality to overcome deep-rooted mindsets is an incredibly exhausting task.

Newer things are better than older things; larger things are inherently better than smaller things. An increase in radar aperture by 10% yields a 30% increase in effective gain area—these are the unyielding laws of physics.
Speaking of Chinese radars, here is another hilarious fact:
The strongest naval shipborne radar they have is the Type 346 AESA radar mounted on their destroyers.
Yet, in any given direction, it only has the capacity to guide eight missiles against four targets. (By comparison, the Arleigh-Burke class utilizes the SPY-1 PESA radar on its flanks, paired with SPG-62 illumination radars, allowing it to guide 12 missiles against 6 targets).
Its detection range for the HQ-9B missile is a mere 150 kilometers.
And that is precisely why the missile's operational range is capped right there... because if the damn missile flies any further, their own radar won't even be able to see it, so how on earth is it supposed to provide guidance?
Furthermore, on the Type 052C, the air-search radar actually used a Yagi antenna. Consequently, Chinese nationalists started bragging that Yagi antennas possessed some sort of miraculous anti-missile efficacy. That is, until later models, when they replaced that antenna with the "Flyswatter" radar from the Russian Slava-class—the very type of radar the Chinese used to look down on the most.



Now here is the real question: do you honestly believe that the small radar on the J-20 could outperform the massive one on their own destroyers (from the Type 052C to the Type 055)?

 

[RationalGuy]

I don’t see what kind of "public data" you are supposedly quoting here.
Particularly regarding the data on China—after all, I have lived in China for 40 years and have been active on the internet for over two decades, yet even I am unaware of this public data. So, where exactly did your "public data" come from?
The F-35's radar is, of course, inferior to that of the Su-35. The difference in aperture alone is massive; the advantages of advanced manufacturing nodes (semiconductor processes) are simply not enough to make up for the deficiency in aperture and weight redundancy. This is basic physics.

Radar performance is not only from aperture alone it is also from signal processing beam formation and control (which is superior in AESA because thousands of TRM generated signals can be combined indusvidually to search different areas at the same time compared to only one area being searched by mechanical PESA).

Especially in terms of signal processing hardware nobody can match the performance of FPGAs made in the US and they are ahead in the algorithms for DSP undoubtedly. US has been fielding AESA radars for decades with many of them seeing combat across multiple domains from Iraq to now Iran, the algorithms for DSP is obviously superior in the case of the APG81 and other US radars. Russia has access to inferior chips and FPGA than US or even China has so even with advanced algorithms there are hard limits to what they can achieve due to the lower level of the hardware they use for signal processing.

You also didnt mention the performance of Ibris E vs APG81 in EW and contested environment. Do you really think PESA will have a better track quality than AESA in contested environments with large EW emissions?

 

[RationalGuy]

Furthermore, things must be compared on an apples-to-apples basis.
Where are the PL-17 and PL-21?
I don't see them.
Besides, analogs with similar parameters existed 30 years ago, like the KS-172.
And the R-37 went through roughly the same duration of product maturation.
There is a world of difference between a "PowerPoint product" and combat-ready equipment—there is often a gap of over a decade, or even 20 years, in between. If one simply ignores such objective discrepancies, it becomes incredibly easy to arrive at the conclusions you mentioned.
By that logic, the T-14 is equipped with four-faced radars, including the millimeter-wave radar that Object 195 was already fitted with 30 years ago. Does this, based on your viewpoint, prove that Russia's electronic technology is superior to that of the United States and China?

Russia's current small missile corvettes, such as the Project 22800 which displaces only a few hundred tons, are packed with AESA antennas.
China has no equivalent analogue to this. Does this prove that Russia's AESA miniaturization and commercialization maturity far surpass those of both China and the United States?

PL17 at least being captive tested:

Considering your country's pace it will be operational by 2030 thus matching R37M.

 

[RationalGuy]

Furthermore, things must be compared on an apples-to-apples basis.
Where are the PL-17 and PL-21?
I don't see them.
Besides, analogs with similar parameters existed 30 years ago, like the KS-172.
And the R-37 went through roughly the same duration of product maturation.
There is a world of difference between a "PowerPoint product" and combat-ready equipment—there is often a gap of over a decade, or even 20 years, in between. If one simply ignores such objective discrepancies, it becomes incredibly easy to arrive at the conclusions you mentioned.
By that logic, the T-14 is equipped with four-faced radars, including the millimeter-wave radar that Object 195 was already fitted with 30 years ago. Does this, based on your viewpoint, prove that Russia's electronic technology is superior to that of the United States and China?

Russia's current small missile corvettes, such as the Project 22800 which displaces only a few hundred tons, are packed with AESA antennas.
China has no equivalent analogue to this. Does this prove that Russia's AESA miniaturization and commercialization maturity far surpass those of both China and the United States?

Where is the T14? Stealthy tank so stealthy it's not even visible during combat!

And didnt you know M1A Abrams has Trophy system (developed not even by USA but by tiny Israel) which uses 4 mmWave radar for its APS system?

And Trophy based tanks have at least seen combat wheraze T14? Missing from action!

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Radar performance is not only from aperture alone it is also from signal processing beam formation and control (which is superior in AESA because thousands of TRM generated signals can be combined indusvidually to search different areas at the same time compared to only one area being searched by mechanical PESA).

Especially in terms of signal processing hardware nobody can match the performance of FPGAs made in the US and they are ahead in the algorithms for DSP undoubtedly. US has been fielding AESA radars for decades with many of them seeing combat across multiple domains from Iraq to now Iran, the algorithms for DSP is obviously superior in the case of the APG81 and other US radars. Russia has access to inferior chips and FPGA than US or even China has so even with advanced algorithms there are hard limits to what they can achieve due to the lower level of the hardware they use for signal processing.

You also didnt mention the performance of Ibris E vs APG81 in EW and contested environment. Do you really think PESA will have a better track quality than AESA in contested environments with large EW emissions?

Could you give me a quantitative metric to prove that an AESA—regardless of the brand, country, assembly/production method, backend software, or aperture size—is inherently superior to a PESA?
Since you claim AESA is so incredibly powerful that any AESA can completely crush a PESA, do you then agree that the radar performance of the Project 22800 corvette is superior to that of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer?
22800=AESA
SPY-1=PESA

PL17 at least being captive tested:
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Considering your country's pace it will be operational by 2030 thus matching R37M.

There are plenty of things under internal testing. I am demanding that you keep your story straight—come back and brag to me only when it actually achieves IOC (Initial Operational Capability). By your logic, the Russians are also currently testing photonic radar, so why aren't you bringing up photonic radar as an argument?

Where is the T14? Stealthy tank so stealthy it's not even visible during combat!

And didnt you know M1A Abrams has Trophy system (developed not even by USA but by tiny Israel) which uses 4 mmWave radar for its APS system?

And Trophy based tanks have at least seen combat wheraze T14? Missing from action!

I don't know what kind of garbage the M1A1 is, but you guys can try buying some back to verify it for yourselves.

I don’t know what kind of combat record your M1A1 has achieved in Ukraine, considering you Americans are using 100-year-old machine guns mounted on Humvees for air defense.
But if you can, please list the high-end tank radars of your China and your India, just so I can broaden my horizons.
Otherwise, I’d think I was on a domestic Chinese forum, where after a few words, the M1A2 somehow becomes a Chinese or Indian tank. At the very least, you will claim that piece of garbage on the Arleigh Burke is a PESA, right?

Can I view the fact that your US Army pairs a 12.7mm machine gun with a Humvee as a textbook example of American electronic technology being too garbage to miniaturize missiles and radars for vehicle integration?
After all, the streets are flooded with Pantsir, Buk, and Tor systems—with the Tor even capable of firing on the move now—yet Americans rely on their Black dudes paired with a 12.7mm for air defense.

And then, just like that, the conversation suddenly shifts to Israel.
Who exactly are you comparing here? Is it China, the US, Israel, or India? Or are you bunching all these countries together to go up against Russia?
Please make yourself clear.

At the very least, the Chinese understand that the S-400 absolutely must be deployed in Beijing, rather than relying on other random, messy, domestic-made garbage.

 

[batman]

Is it really though?

This is like a hate crime against our planet

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Radar performance is not only from aperture alone it is also from signal processing beam formation and control (which is superior in AESA because thousands of TRM generated signals can be combined indusvidually to search different areas at the same time compared to only one area being searched by mechanical PESA).

Especially in terms of signal processing hardware nobody can match the performance of FPGAs made in the US and they are ahead in the algorithms for DSP undoubtedly. US has been fielding AESA radars for decades with many of them seeing combat across multiple domains from Iraq to now Iran, the algorithms for DSP is obviously superior in the case of the APG81 and other US radars. Russia has access to inferior chips and FPGA than US or even China has so even with advanced algorithms there are hard limits to what they can achieve due to the lower level of the hardware they use for signal processing.

You also didnt mention the performance of Ibris E vs APG81 in EW and contested environment. Do you really think PESA will have a better track quality than AESA in contested environments with large EW emissions?

Just the other day, Pakistan's HQ-9 got absolutely trashed by the BrahMos, right?
And then you Indians claimed that the S-400 shot down opposing aircraft, right?
So, in the end, which one actually performed better—the S-400 or the HQ-9?
Let me remind you of something:
The naval version of the HQ-9 uses that exact piece of garbage—the Type 346 AESA on the Type 055. Furthermore, the land-based HQ-9 can simultaneously guide 16 missiles against 8 targets, whereas on the naval destroyers, that capability is cut in half to guiding 8 missiles against 4 targets. In contrast, the S-300PMU2 from 30 years ago could handle 72 missiles against 36 targets, and the Tomb Stone radar on the Pyotr Velikiy—which entered service back in 1998—could guide 12 missiles to attack 6 targets.
Whether on land or at sea, the Russians' radar target capacity is simply superior, and their range is simply longer.
It is the Chinese who are buying Russian radars, not the Russians buying Chinese radars. It is completely absurd that you are arguing this with me.

 

[batman]

Putting China aside for a moment, the Su-57's CPU performance is ten times that of the F-22, and it is additionally equipped with L-band and side-facing radars.
Why does no one dare to admit that the F-22's radar is inferior to the Su-57's?
It is simply because using truth and rationality to overcome deep-rooted mindsets is an incredibly exhausting task.

Don't get me wrong, I wanna begin by saying I think the F22 is a overpriced outdated piece of near soviet era machine which has no place being discussed next to other modern 5th gen jets if it wasn't for it's kinematic capability and stealth.

That said, I think the reason American fanboys and ignorant defence enthusiasts consider the F22 radar to be superior might be because The F-22 features a larger frontal radar antenna (AN/APG-77) with 1,956 T/R modules, while the Su-57 (N036) utilizes a smaller array with 1,514 modules where both features an X band aesa radar and hence the F22 with it's larger radar will have the first fire advantage in head to head BVR situation, if we include the side radar for fire control, it has 404 modules which is 26.7% of the main radar modules,

Since detection range scales with the fourth root of transmitted power (and power roughly scales with module count if all else is equal), the side radar's detection range would be roughly:

(404/1515)^1/4 ≈ 0.72

So if the nose radar detects a particular target at 400 km, the side radar would theoretically detect the same target at roughly: 285–290 km.
Hence why people may argue the F22 has better radar than Su57.

However I don't necessarily agree.

The Su57 with with nose, side and rear mounted radar which is similar or even more powerful than the side mounted ones together offer a much greater azmuth coverage which no other jet is capable of possessing which provides advantages like

• Tracking aircraft beside the jet.
• Guiding missiles while turning away.
• Tracking multiple targets over a wider sector.

Not to mention it's L band radars contribute to:

• Long-range detection and cueing.
• IFF.
• Electronic warfare.
• Sensor fusion.

This distributed architecture enable:

• Redundancy if one array is degraded.
• Better coverage.
• Simultaneous observation in multiple directions.
• Reduced need to maneuver the aircraft simply to maintain radar coverage.

I'm not even gonna include the various other advantage the Su57 has over the F22 because F22 is not capable of competing with modern 5th gen fighter let alone the best one right now.

 

[South block]

Delusional Chinese & Pakistan fanboy like @RationalGuy think just because China can mass produce electronics using high end machinery, core technologies & expertise imported from abroad, it somehow makes China superior in semiconductors lol. Mass manufacturing capability & leadership in semiconductor innovation are not the same thing but that's to difficult for CCP stonk turds to comprehend.

 

[RationalGuy]

Could you give me a quantitative metric to prove that an AESA—regardless of the brand, country, assembly/production method, backend software, or aperture size—is inherently superior to a PESA?
Since you claim AESA is so incredibly powerful that any AESA can completely crush a PESA, do you then agree that the radar performance of the Project 22800 corvette is superior to that of an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer?
22800=AESA
SPY-1=PESA



There are plenty of things under internal testing. I am demanding that you keep your story straight—come back and brag to me only when it actually achieves IOC (Initial Operational Capability). By your logic, the Russians are also currently testing photonic radar, so why aren't you bringing up photonic radar as an argument?





I don't know what kind of garbage the M1A1 is, but you guys can try buying some back to verify it for yourselves.

I don’t know what kind of combat record your M1A1 has achieved in Ukraine, considering you Americans are using 100-year-old machine guns mounted on Humvees for air defense.
But if you can, please list the high-end tank radars of your China and your India, just so I can broaden my horizons.
Otherwise, I’d think I was on a domestic Chinese forum, where after a few words, the M1A2 somehow becomes a Chinese or Indian tank. At the very least, you will claim that piece of garbage on the Arleigh Burke is a PESA, right?

Can I view the fact that your US Army pairs a 12.7mm machine gun with a Humvee as a textbook example of American electronic technology being too garbage to miniaturize missiles and radars for vehicle integration?
After all, the streets are flooded with Pantsir, Buk, and Tor systems—with the Tor even capable of firing on the move now—yet Americans rely on their Black dudes paired with a 12.7mm for air defense.

And then, just like that, the conversation suddenly shifts to Israel.
Who exactly are you comparing here? Is it China, the US, Israel, or India? Or are you bunching all these countries together to go up against Russia?
Please make yourself clear.

At the very least, the Chinese understand that the S-400 absolutely must be deployed in Beijing, rather than relying on other random, messy, domestic-made garbage.

You were boasting about T14 having mmwave radars as if that's something special which only Russia mastered. Its not. Even tiny Israel did it.

Speaking of combat record of US tanks, entire world saw how US Army with M1A1 routed Iraq which was armed to the brim with your precious Russian weapons that too in just 4 days . Your Russia with all of those most advanced weapons can't even take over Ukraine after 4 years. Care to explain?

Russian weapons are capable no doubt and Soviet weapons even more (my country defeated your lackey Pakistan 4 times using Soviet weapons as you know) but Soviet era is gone and Russia is too poor to produce advanced weapons in scale.

Delusional Chinese & Pakistan fanboy like @RationalGuy think just because China can mass produce electronics using high end machinery, core technologies & expertise imported from abroad, it somehow makes China superior in semiconductors lol. Mass manufacturing capability & leadership in semiconductor innovation are not the same thing but that's to difficult for CCP stonk turds to comprehend.

Haven't even mentioned Pakistan anywhere but this low IQ chimpanzee thinks im their fan boy .

You don't even believe India has the hydrogen bomb and parrot those westerners who says 1998 tests failed. If I'm a Pakistani fan boy you are General Dyers aulaad.

 

[RationalGuy]

Don't get me wrong, I wanna begin by saying I think the F22 is a overpriced outdated piece of near soviet era machine which has no place being discussed next to other modern 5th gen jets if it wasn't for it's kinematic capability and stealth.

That said, I think the reason American fanboys and ignorant defence enthusiasts consider the F22 radar to be superior might be because The F-22 features a larger frontal radar antenna (AN/APG-77) with 1,956 T/R modules, while the Su-57 (N036) utilizes a smaller array with 1,514 modules where both features an X band aesa radar and hence the F22 with it's larger radar will have the first fire advantage in head to head BVR situation, if we include the side radar for fire control, it has 404 modules which is 26.7% of the main radar modules,

Since detection range scales with the fourth root of transmitted power (and power roughly scales with module count if all else is equal), the side radar's detection range would be roughly:

(404/1515)^1/4 ≈ 0.72

So if the nose radar detects a particular target at 400 km, the side radar would theoretically detect the same target at roughly: 285–290 km.
Hence why people may argue the F22 has better radar than Su57.

However I don't necessarily agree.

The Su57 with with nose, side and rear mounted radar which is similar or even more powerful than the side mounted ones together offer a much greater azmuth coverage which no other jet is capable of possessing which provides advantages like

• Tracking aircraft beside the jet.
• Guiding missiles while turning away.
• Tracking multiple targets over a wider sector.

Not to mention it's L band radars contribute to:

• Long-range detection and cueing.
• IFF.
• Electronic warfare.
• Sensor fusion.

This distributed architecture enable:

• Redundancy if one array is degraded.
• Better coverage.
• Simultaneous observation in multiple directions.
• Reduced need to maneuver the aircraft simply to maintain radar coverage.

I'm not even gonna include the various other advantage the Su57 has over the F22 because F22 is not capable of competing with modern 5th gen fighter let alone the best one right now.

Buddy how many Su 57 are there exactly? How many T14 Armatas are there??? They're literally too poor to produce them en masse. It doesn't matter how good they are if they aren't produced in numbers. Those are cold hard facts.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

You were boasting about T14 having mmwave radars as if that's something special which only Russia mastered. Its not. Even tiny Israel did it.

Speaking of combat record of US tanks, entire world saw how US Army with M1A1 routed Iraq which was armed to the brim with your precious Russian weapons that too in just 4 days . Your Russia with all of those most advanced weapons can't even take over Ukraine after 4 years. Care to explain?

Russian weapons are capable no doubt and Soviet weapons even more (my country defeated your lackey Pakistan 4 times using Soviet weapons as you know) but Soviet era is gone and Russia is too poor to produce advanced weapons in scale.

Haven't even mentioned Pakistan anywhere but this low IQ chimpanzee thinks im their fan boy .

You don't even believe India has the hydrogen bomb and parrot those westerners who says 1998 tests failed. If I'm a Pakistani fan boy you are General Dyers aulaad.

Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.

Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.


Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

Buddy how many Su 57 are there exactly? How many T14 Armatas are there??? They're literally too poor to produce them en masse. It doesn't matter how good they are if they aren't produced in numbers. Those are cold hard facts.

The F-22 is a piece of junk, and there aren't even that many of them.
How come you guys weren't this enthusiastic when hyping up the Seawolf? It only has 2+1 ships.
And then there's the DDG-1000.
Is the B-2's number really that？


Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has produced the highest quantity of tanks in the world. The number of T-90s provided to Algeria alone is more than all the Type 99 series tanks in the Chinese army combined.
Because Russians are poor, Russians can't produce a sufficient quantity, right?
I hope you actually use your brain when you speak, or let some idiot AI vet your words for you, so you don't come out here and make a complete fool of yourself.


And another thing: your forced attempt to pretend you are speaking on behalf of the Chinese makes my position incredibly awkward.
It is really hard to respond to you, since trying to find even a few accurate statements in your rhetoric is a struggle. A single sentence of yours usually contains four to five absurd points, leaving me at a loss as to where I should even begin calling you out.
If I don't set you straight, you think everyone else is an idiot; but if I take you seriously, it just wastes my time and examples, making it look like I actually care about the nonsense you're spouting.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

哥们儿，苏-57到底有多少架？T-14“阿玛塔”又有多少辆？他们穷得根本没法大规模生产。就算性能再好，如果产量不够，也毫无意义。这是不争的事实。

My friend, I have all my arguments ready—so why do you remain silent?
Shall I tell you how many weapons Russia has produced—such as the tanks you just mentioned?
Your beloved American Daddy sold its latest improved tank model in active service—the M-60T Super Pershing—to Türkiye.
What about how many your Western RICH-masters have built?







come on~

 

[RationalGuy]

My friend, I have all my arguments ready—so why do you remain silent?
Shall I tell you how many weapons Russia has produced—such as the tanks you just mentioned?
Your beloved American Daddy sold its latest improved tank model in active service—the M-60T Super Pershing—to Türkiye.
What about how many your Western RICH-masters have built?
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come on~

Buddy im not questioning the capability of Su57 and T14 armata no doubt they are capable but how can't of them have been produced? Your own graph says T14 has not even been inducted in service . And how many Su 57 are there? Like 20?

There is more J35s produced rn than even Su 57 probably.

 

[RationalGuy]

Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.View attachment 52975
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.

Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.


Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled

My friend, believe me when I say, I will be the happiest person in the world if indeed Chinese weapons are junk and not at the same level as Russian/Soviet weaopons. But China being my enemy, I simply cannot underestimate it the same way you do and I need to take its capabilities very seriously and at face value especially considering the publicly available data and evidences.

Otherwise I am not even Chinese (or American) so why would I care if Russian weapons are better than both? Infact I would be happy because India is filled to the brim with Russian weapons but I want to be objective and rational not blindly believing in things.

 

[RationalGuy]

The F-22 is a piece of junk, and there aren't even that many of them.
How come you guys weren't this enthusiastic when hyping up the Seawolf? It only has 2+1 ships.
And then there's the DDG-1000.
Is the B-2's number really that？


Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has produced the highest quantity of tanks in the world. The number of T-90s provided to Algeria alone is more than all the Type 99 series tanks in the Chinese army combined.
Because Russians are poor, Russians can't produce a sufficient quantity, right?
I hope you actually use your brain when you speak, or let some idiot AI vet your words for you, so you don't come out here and make a complete fool of yourself.


And another thing: your forced attempt to pretend you are speaking on behalf of the Chinese makes my position incredibly awkward.
It is really hard to respond to you, since trying to find even a few accurate statements in your rhetoric is a struggle. A single sentence of yours usually contains four to five absurd points, leaving me at a loss as to where I should even begin calling you out.
If I don't set you straight, you think everyone else is an idiot; but if I take you seriously, it just wastes my time and examples, making it look like I actually care about the nonsense you're spouting.

I asked specifically how many T14 and Su 57 there are and you have absolutely no answer and instead responded with T90 number . Cmon bro you're the one spouting nonsense.

Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.View attachment 52975
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.

Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.


Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled

The US Army completely routed Iraq in 1991 in just 4 days the entire world saw what happened especially your PLA which started shitting enough bricks to make the pyramid once they saw how US cucked Iraq lol.

Leave Iraq even Syria and Egypt which were armed to the brim with Soviet weapons failrd infront of Israel many times.

What does this say about Russian weapons? Not inherently effective or superior at all unless handled by profession militaries like the Indian Army.

 

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I asked specifically how many T14 and Su 57 there are and you have absolutely no answer and instead responded with T90 number . Cmon bro you're the one spouting nonsense.

The US Army completely routed Iraq in 1991 in just 4 days the entire world saw what happened especially your PLA which started shitting enough bricks to make the pyramid once they saw how US cucked Iraq lol.

Leave Iraq even Syria and Egypt which were armed to the brim with Soviet weapons failrd infront of Israel many times.

What does this say about Russian weapons? Not inherently effective or superior at all unless handled by profession militaries like the Indian Army.

No, you still can't comprehend basic literacy.
Right at this very moment,
your American daddies are being beaten to a pulp by militias in Iraq,
and your Zionist/Israeli daddies are throwing a tantrum because they can't even take over Gaza City—The area of Gaza City is smaller than even the Azovstal iron and steel works, yet it has become your Israeli daddy’s Wailing Wall

Imagining your contorted face behind the screen is truly intoxicating

You'd better hurry up and book some plane tickets while you still have the time. Otherwise, you'll end up just like those 'falling men' at Kabul Airport—with nothing left to do but cling to the landing gear of a C-17

The production volume of just a single model, the T-90, is greater than that of all your Western daddies combined, plus your Chinese biological father.
And yet you have the audacity to question how many T-14s can actually be produced? You'd better wait until your daddies can at least manufacture an experimental vehicle capable of rivaling the T-14 before you start bragging.
What are they going to use, your Arjun Mk 2 or China's Type 15 (or Type 99/96 depending on context of "100")?
Talk about completely overestimating yourself.
To put it more bluntly: countries like China, India, and the United States should first manage to produce a tank at the level of the T-64 (entirely manufactured on their own，Base weight of 38 tons, three-man crew, 125mm auto-loading main gun, plus gun-launched missiles and composite armor) before they even start questioning the T-14

Waited a whole damn weekend just to get this handful of nonsense from you.
Lo and behold, it turns out this is actually a thread discussing the Agni missile.
To keep things on track, let me ask you one more thing:
...When exactly is your American daddy going to manufacture a 'Hwasong-po' style hypersonic glide vehicle with trajectory-shifting capabilities that can even match North Korea's level?
As far as I know, is your filthy rich American daddy still relying on the Minuteman III, which stopped production back in the 1970s?
Hey, maybe you can stuff your daddy's super-duper, Taiwan-made 3nm process GPUs inside it to help it pull off those evasive maneuvers.
Talk about completely overestimating yourselves.