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Just the other day, Pakistan's HQ-9 got absolutely trashed by the BrahMos, right?
And then you Indians claimed that the S-400 shot down opposing aircraft, right?
So, in the end, which one actually performed better—the S-400 or the HQ-9?
Let me remind you of something:
The naval version of the HQ-9 uses that exact piece of garbage—the Type 346 AESA on the Type 055. Furthermore, the land-based HQ-9 can simultaneously guide 16 missiles against 8 targets, whereas on the naval destroyers, that capability is cut in half to guiding 8 missiles against 4 targets. In contrast, the S-300PMU2 from 30 years ago could handle 72 missiles against 36 targets, and the Tomb Stone radar on the Pyotr Velikiy—which entered service back in 1998—could guide 12 missiles to attack 6 targets.
Whether on land or at sea, the Russians' radar target capacity is simply superior, and their range is simply longer.
It is the Chinese who are buying Russian radars, not the Russians buying Chinese radars. It is completely absurd that you are arguing this with me.
Don't get me wrong, I wanna begin by saying I think the F22 is a overpriced outdated piece of near soviet era machine which has no place being discussed next to other modern 5th gen jets if it wasn't for it's kinematic capability and stealth.
That said, I think the reason American fanboys and ignorant defence enthusiasts consider the F22 radar to be superior might be because The F-22 features a larger frontal radar antenna (AN/APG-77) with 1,956 T/R modules, while the Su-57 (N036) utilizes a smaller array with 1,514 modules where both features an X band aesa radar and hence the F22 with it's larger radar will have the first fire advantage in head to head BVR situation, if we include the side radar for fire control, it has 404 modules which is 26.7% of the main radar modules,
Since detection range scales with the fourth root of transmitted power (and power roughly scales with module count if all else is equal), the side radar's detection range would be roughly:
(404/1515)^1/4 ≈ 0.72
So if the nose radar detects a particular target at 400 km, the side radar would theoretically detect the same target at roughly: 285–290 km.
Hence why people may argue the F22 has better radar than Su57.
However I don't necessarily agree.
The Su57 with with nose, side and rear mounted radar which is similar or even more powerful than the side mounted ones together offer a much greater azmuth coverage which no other jet is capable of possessing which provides advantages like
- Tracking aircraft beside the jet.
- Guiding missiles while turning away.
- Tracking multiple targets over a wider sector.
- Long-range detection and cueing.
- IFF.
- Electronic warfare.
- Sensor fusion.
- Redundancy if one array is degraded.
- Better coverage.
- Simultaneous observation in multiple directions.
- Reduced need to maneuver the aircraft simply to maintain radar coverage.
Delusional Chinese & Pakistan fanboy like @RationalGuy think just because China can mass produce electronics using high end machinery, core technologies & expertise imported from abroad, it somehow makes China superior in semiconductors lol. Mass manufacturing capability & leadership in semiconductor innovation are not the same thing but that's to difficult for CCP stonk turds to comprehend.
You were boasting about T14 having mmwave radars as if that's something special which only Russia mastered. Its not. Even tiny Israel did it.
Speaking of combat record of US tanks, entire world saw how US Army with M1A1 routed Iraq which was armed to the brim with your precious Russian weapons that too in just 4 days
. Your Russia with all of those most advanced weapons can't even take over Ukraine after 4 years. Care to explain?Russian weapons are capable no doubt and Soviet weapons even more (my country defeated your lackey Pakistan 4 times using Soviet weapons as you know) but Soviet era is gone and Russia is too poor to produce advanced weapons in scale.
Haven't even mentioned Pakistan anywhere but this low IQ chimpanzee thinks im their fan boy
.You don't even believe India has the hydrogen bomb and parrot those westerners who says 1998 tests failed. If I'm a Pakistani fan boy you are General Dyers aulaad.
Buddy how many Su 57 are there exactly? How many T14 Armatas are there??? They're literally too poor to produce them en masse. It doesn't matter how good they are if they aren't produced in numbers. Those are cold hard facts.
Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.You were boasting about T14 having mmwave radars as if that's something special which only Russia mastered. Its not. Even tiny Israel did it.
Speaking of combat record of US tanks, entire world saw how US Army with M1A1 routed Iraq which was armed to the brim with your precious Russian weapons that too in just 4 days
Russian weapons are capable no doubt and Soviet weapons even more (my country defeated your lackey Pakistan 4 times using Soviet weapons as you know) but Soviet era is gone and Russia is too poor to produce advanced weapons in scale.
Haven't even mentioned Pakistan anywhere but this low IQ chimpanzee thinks im their fan boy
You don't even believe India has the hydrogen bomb and parrot those westerners who says 1998 tests failed. If I'm a Pakistani fan boy you are General Dyers aulaad.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.
Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.
Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled
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The F-22 is a piece of junk, and there aren't even that many of them.
How come you guys weren't this enthusiastic when hyping up the Seawolf? It only has 2+1 ships.
And then there's the DDG-1000.
Is the B-2's number really that？
Since the end of the Cold War, Russia has produced the highest quantity of tanks in the world. The number of T-90s provided to Algeria alone is more than all the Type 99 series tanks in the Chinese army combined.
Because Russians are poor, Russians can't produce a sufficient quantity, right?
I hope you actually use your brain when you speak, or let some idiot AI vet your words for you, so you don't come out here and make a complete fool of yourself.
And another thing: your forced attempt to pretend you are speaking on behalf of the Chinese makes my position incredibly awkward.
It is really hard to respond to you, since trying to find even a few accurate statements in your rhetoric is a struggle. A single sentence of yours usually contains four to five absurd points, leaving me at a loss as to where I should even begin calling you out.
If I don't set you straight, you think everyone else is an idiot; but if I take you seriously, it just wastes my time and examples, making it look like I actually care about the nonsense you're spouting.
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My friend, I have all my arguments ready—so why do you remain silent?
Shall I tell you how many weapons Russia has produced—such as the tanks you just mentioned?
Your beloved American Daddy sold its latest improved tank model in active service—the M-60T Super Pershing—to Türkiye.
What about how many your Western RICH-masters have built?
come on~
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Buddy im not questioning the capability of Su57 and T14 armata no doubt they are capable but how can't of them have been produced? Your own graph says T14 has not even been inducted in serviceMy friend, I have all my arguments ready—so why do you remain silent?
Shall I tell you how many weapons Russia has produced—such as the tanks you just mentioned?
Your beloved American Daddy sold its latest improved tank model in active service—the M-60T Super Pershing—to Türkiye.
What about how many your Western RICH-masters have built?
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. And how many Su 57 are there? Like 20?There is more J35s produced rn than even Su 57 probably.
My friend, believe me when I say, I will be the happiest person in the world if indeed Chinese weapons are junk and not at the same level as Russian/Soviet weaopons. But China being my enemy, I simply cannot underestimate it the same way you do and I need to take its capabilities very seriously and at face value especially considering the publicly available data and evidences.Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.View attachment 52975
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.
Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.
Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled
Otherwise I am not even Chinese (or American) so why would I care if Russian weapons are better than both? Infact I would be happy because India is filled to the brim with Russian weapons but I want to be objective and rational not blindly believing in things.
I asked specifically how many T14 and Su 57 there are and you have absolutely no answer and instead responded with T90 number
. Cmon bro you're the one spouting nonsense.The US Army completely routed Iraq in 1991 in just 4 days the entire world saw what happened especially your PLA which started shitting enough bricks to make the pyramid once they saw how US cucked Iraq lol.Ah, right, indeed only Russia's T-14 has mastered the technology of mounting millimeter-wave phased-array radar on tanks.
But the second one is China's Type 100, which has also mastered it, you idiot... You don't even know how to brag properly.
After all, the Chinese still feel that copying the T-14 is the best choice—because Chinese engineers obviously aren't as smart as you.View attachment 52975
Even though the Type 100 is total garbage—using a dimension even more massive than the T-14 just to mount a measly 105mm gun, not to mention equipping ridiculous lithium-ion batteries just waiting to detonate.
As for your Israel, they can screw right off; what kind of trash is the Merkava they built anyway?
Militiamen all over the streets of Iraq are currently hammering the Americans. I have no idea where those Iraqis you claimed were "defeated in four days" are.
What a clown.
I hope your homeland gets stuck using the M1A2—even Zelensky looks down on that piece of junk.
And he looks down on your Israeli Merkava even more.
How much larger is the Ukrainian territory currently held by Russia compared to the size of Kashmir? It holds a population of 10 million, super coal mines, fertile black soil, and a coastline.
As for your Israeli daddy:
Facing a Gaza the size of a booger, they haven't been able to take it down despite fighting for decades.
How about that? A fan of Papa America pretending to be a fan of Chinese weapons just to disparage Russian weapons—can't keep up the act anymore, can you?
Your fox tail is showing, how pathetic.
Your Iraqi daddy should first beat Hamas—who are only equipped with AKs and RPG-7s—before you come here and brag to me.
Back then, the Vietnamese couldn't even afford shoes.
Using Russian weapons yourself (India), yet hoping that China—which also uses Russian weapons—will show Russia up, all while trying to drag in your most precious biological daddy and adoptive daddy, America and Israel.
Too bad these two pieces of trash are useless: one can't even beat Gaza, and the other lost in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Also, I'd like to ask, you American fanboy—which organ exactly did you use to conclude that America won in Iraq?
Defeated Iraq in four days, then went on to win 40 times in Iran over the past two months, and even signed a new round of the Treaty of Versailles.
Every time I watch you guys rolling around in embarrassment, I get incredibly thrilled
Leave Iraq even Syria and Egypt which were armed to the brim with Soviet weapons failrd infront of Israel many times.
What does this say about Russian weapons? Not inherently effective or superior at all unless handled by profession militaries like the Indian Army.
interesting but for what? if it is a vent shaft then there is no entrance for the "room" down there ??
Can you elaborate ? This is too weird to be a vent shatf
IDT silos need all that , like any other russian or American silo there is a tube with its support structure and exhaust which is usually covered with earth layer for masking, what you found is used for something else