MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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That's why I'm saying there is no point of buying F-35 bcz we will have both F-4 & F-5 rafale under MRFA. And There is no significant use of F-15EX & blk 70 to pay such high amount of money just to make uncle Sam happy.
Yeah we need 5th gen jet that's most probably gonna be Su-57 with Izdeliye-30 engine.
Just hope that GE-414 doesn't repeat the same story of 404. We need MK2 in high numbers to fill the squadron strength.
This one.
No negotiation on transfer of source code for IAF jets
NEW DELHI: The transfer of source code will be a non-negotiable condition in the Indian Air Force (IAF)s’ upcoming contract for 114 multi-role fighter aircraft
The transfer of source code will be a non-negotiable condition in the Indian Air Force (IAF)s’ upcoming contract for 114 multi-role fighter aircraft (MRFA), sources confirmed, underlining the service’s insistence on operational flexibility and long-term self-reliance.
The procurement process is underway and is expected to reach the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) soon for approval of the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN), which is the formal authorisation to initiate acquisition procedures. Sources emphasised that the new jets will be able to integrate indigenous weapons as required and maintain seamless communication with aircraft of foreign origin, ensuring full interoperability.
“The permission to integrate weapons as per force requirements will be non-negotiable,” a source said. “Similarly, connectivity with other aircraft, even if from a different manufacturer, will be mandatory.” Following DAC approval, the proposal will move to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final clearance.
Only then will formal contract and cost negotiations begin. The medium-category fighters are expected to complement the IAF’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) fleet and the future Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), with budget provisions for existing programmes already secured. Sources stressed that MRFA induction will not affect other projects.
This one.
No negotiation on transfer of source code for IAF jets
NEW DELHI: The transfer of source code will be a non-negotiable condition in the Indian Air Force (IAF)s’ upcoming contract for 114 multi-role fighter aircraftwww.newindianexpress.com
The transfer of source code will be a non-negotiable condition in the Indian Air Force (IAF)s’ upcoming contract for 114 multi-role fighter aircraft (MRFA), sources confirmed, underlining the service’s insistence on operational flexibility and long-term self-reliance.
The procurement process is underway and is expected to reach the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) soon for approval of the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN), which is the formal authorisation to initiate acquisition procedures. Sources emphasised that the new jets will be able to integrate indigenous weapons as required and maintain seamless communication with aircraft of foreign origin, ensuring full interoperability.
“The permission to integrate weapons as per force requirements will be non-negotiable,” a source said. “Similarly, connectivity with other aircraft, even if from a different manufacturer, will be mandatory.” Following DAC approval, the proposal will move to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for final clearance.
Only then will formal contract and cost negotiations begin. The medium-category fighters are expected to complement the IAF’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) fleet and the future Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), with budget provisions for existing programmes already secured. Sources stressed that MRFA induction will not affect other projects.
Honestly, aren't their fears basically the truth? The long term goal should be to boost private sector participation so you develop strong competition that attracts talent and produces modern products. HAL will continue to get business through tejas & super sukhoi program for the next few decades, long enough time for the current crop of babus and whatever else to retire out. HAL should be slowly trimmed down & leadership streamlined during this period. In the future they can super specialize on special mission crafts, engines, & other high end components. HAL will become smaller but more specialized and continue existing. Combat jets, helicopters, trainers, drones, passenger jets, etc should all just be left to the domain of the private sector.
Private sector can use experience gained from rafale deal and partner with France on developing an indianized fcas. During the development period the private sector will get a lot of experience working on however many amca platforms are ordered as well as drones, rafales and other civillian craft. When this 6th generation jet is ready the industry will be in a much better position to hit the ground running. Even HAL can get some business by supplying some of the special indian components that will have dervied from amca program. Would be cool to see something like the yak130/m346 but for a 6th gen fighter between France and India.
How is the J-35 potent against Rafale ?
Stealth is not an invisibility cap. Despite ground radars and SAM, a turkish air base in Lybia was bombed (by supposed Egypt Rafale) some years ago....
There is no need for the f-15ex when we have the su30mki which can also be upgraded.
I agree. Your main problem is the lack of decision, or the time to take one.
Just imagine you purchased the Mirage 2000 assembly line appart a purchase of 126 "-5" .... It may have helped HAL to built a modern fighter, you may have ordered some more with an indian package weapon system, and developp without pressure your Tejas.... What a pity.
You can't evaluate the fifth-generation threat through a narrow lens. Countering stealth platforms does not rely solely on possessing another stealth aircraft. It requires an integrated air-defence ecosystem combining advanced sensors, networked fighters, and layered surveillance. Ofcourse a stealth aircraft would help here, however for that it needs to be well integrated into the network. The problem with F-35 is the uncertainty around that. Uncle Sam won't allow us to integrate it properly with our IACCS.
We can say that once the developpment phase over. It has even not began !
Gripen E/F is not a competitor to Rafale. Less range, less load, less independance (US engine...).
A contributor to this forum said a couple of years ago that Gripen E is 60% as potent as Rafale for 80% of its price.
F-35 main problem is now Trump.
Wait a god damn minute... does that mean current rafales flying in India are not .... integrated with Indian ground radar? what about AWACS?
Naaah. its other way round.
No. HAL had the MKI line, but they/ADA didn't make Tejas on time and is still not fully done. No amount of TOT will grand you the design capability, you cannot transfer the know how even if you want to transfer with full heart ( its as impossible as transfering your consciousness to other body). That thing you have to develop by yourself.
Wring statement.
The PAF uploaded a photo where the posted photos of Thier jets in the background, which also had J-35, they revealed in similar style when they got J10C
Already faced this is why Pakistanis were able to engage IAF. The radar coordination between China and Pakistani airforce was there.
They have satellite access. Most likely Beidou Sats were being used for surveillance. In any real event war with the Cheenis. We will have to take out their Satellites. Massive investment in anti-sat weaponry needs to be done.
The rafales pretty much fought barely integrated with IACCS. It seems like. I think it was vstoljockey who said that Rafales couldn't be used when the s-400's were active because of lack of integration with the IACCS. The Su-30 and jaguar turned out to be our best strike fighter on the second third day. Simply because of superior integration. The rafales need to be completed integrated with IACCS, astra mk1 mk2 integration and work on the brahmos ng needs to be accelerated.
I wish we bomb PAC Kamra the next time these jokers try to play this cat and mouse game.
GHQ Rawalpindi
PAC Kamra
Sargodha
Need to be flattened beyond recognition.