RD-33MK used in Mig-29K is lighter, produces more thrust and has better specific fuel consumption along with much less smokey. So maybe, he is talking about that engine for our UPGs.?! Fingers crossed.......
Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF
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Thats, Around $8 million for RD-33 and $13 million per engine for AL-31.
For comparison, GE 404 costs around $7.2 million.
For comparison, GE 404 costs around $7.2 million.
Depends on what we sign up for right from the beginning. Full production with ToT will be more expensive than the unit price.
It's unclear why both engines are that expensive. I guess there's a lot of tech transfer involved. It's also possible these contracts are LCC. Hopefully time will tell.
Likely.
I assume this is the full cost, not just the per-unit production cost. So you have to factor in the cost of establishing the production line (which involves both materiel cost as well as personnel cost as you have to teach the technicians and engineers) and the cost of the license. This fixed cost is not something you have to pay when purchasing directly from the original manufacturer. Of course, the upside is that most of this extra cost stays in the country, instead of going abroad.
No, it's not. For 404 we are not setting up production. The agreement for 414 is yet to be concluded.
France Finally Agrees to Transfer 30 Mirage 2000 Fighter Jets from UAE to Morocco
Defense News April 2024 Global Security army industryAfter being suspended for three years, France "has agreed" to the transfer of 30 Mirage 2000 -9s from the UAE (United arab Emirates) to Morocco. This decision, according to North African sources, was made after much hesitation by Emmanuel Macron's administration, motivated by a desire to repurchase them to deliver to Ukraine. However, after their refusal, the issue of these Mirage 2000s is again a discussion topic.
The transfer of the thirty aircraft faced French opposition and required the approval of Paris, according to the initial sales contract between Abu Dhabi and Paris, which prohibits the transfer of these aircraft to a third party until the manufacturer's country, France, approves it.
The "Mirage 2000-9" aircraft that the United Arab Emirates decided to grant to Morocco as part of military cooperation between the two countries are the latest version of this type specifically manufactured for the UAE Air Force, as they possess high capabilities and modern technology used to carry out high precision airstrikes. This made their transfer to Morocco an urgent necessity to strengthen its air force amid regional tensions, according to the aforementioned sources.
The Mirage 2000-9 is an advanced version of the famous Mirage 2000 fighter jet series, developed by the French company Dassault Aviation. Specifically designed to meet the needs of the United Arab Emirates, this variant is distinguished by significant improvements in operational capabilities and onboard technologies. Equipped with modern avionics systems, improved detection capabilities with its sophisticated radar, and the ability to carry a wide range of munitions, the Mirage 2000-9 is optimized for air superiority missions as well as precision ground attacks.
The Mirage 2000 can carry a maximum payload of 6300 kilograms across nine attachment points distributed between the fuselage and the wings. This allows it to transport a variety of armaments, including air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, guided or conventional bombs, and a 30mm DEFA internal cannon.
Among the files discussed last Wednesday between the foreign ministers of the two countries was the French approval of the agreement on the "Mirage 2000-9" aircraft, which Paris finally accepted after Abu Dhabi insisted on completing the transfer of these aircraft to Morocco following their agreement.
French hesitation was due to Paris's desire to buy back 40 Emirati "Mirage 2000-9" aircraft, of high capacity and modern technology, and transfer them to Ukraine to support its war against Russia, while the United Arab Emirates preferred to relinquish 69 aircraft of this model, 30 of which were destined for Morocco and 39 in favor of Egypt.
Missed opportunity. We need to do a project rose with our mirage 2000's. We already have a MRO facility if I'm not wrong. Wasting perfectly capable airframes that can carry scalp-eg's. Around a 100-150 mirage 2000's can easily fulfill our a2g role and give more space for the Tejas for air interception duties.
No timeframe mentioned. I guess it will happen well after 2027. The leftovers should be suitable for militarizing Ukraine after the war.
Qatar never offered M2000 to India. Where is "missed opportunity"?
Qatar only offered M2000s to muslim countries.
Good that they did not give them free to P-a-k-i s.
50-60 million USD for upgrade. Not really worth it now. Mirages will be retiring starting 2035.
What about 15 Greece Mirage 2000?
Would we buy that to retire old Mig21 / Jaguar aircraft s?
We still don't know about cost of acquisition and standardize to user IAF.
Or buy only trainers for attrition replacements.
I agree that's it's too late & costly to be useful.
Especially Mk1A is about to pick up scaled up production of 24 / year.
If the Greek Mirages do come, they will be used as spares bank. Nothing else.
Tejas Mk1A orders will replace Mig21/23/27 squadrons.
If MMRCA happens, then Jaguars will see Rafales as replacement. Else they will see Tejas Mk2 as a replacement.
15 years is a lot of time. We are still running mig 21's when they should be chucked in the garbage bin. Let's be realistic. The only thing better in the Chinese arsenal against the mirage 2000 are j-10C,j-16 and j-20 which is only 20% of their actual air force.
Without an upgrade, the Mirage 2000 is not as good as all the fighters listed.
It's just a decade. And HAL had a claimed rate of 12 annually for upgrading Mirages. Instead of buying and upgrading 3 Mirages, invest that in 2 Tejas Mk1A.
We did a mistake in Mig21. Doesn't mean we need to repeat it. Remember, never fly a Russian aircraft for more hours than the Russian Airforce is.
The Russian OEMs will say anything and sign any paper if it means money for them. Their guarantees are useless.
India intends to upgrade two Jaguar DARIN-III aircraft with New Generation Close Combat Missile (NGCCM) and Helmet Mounted display system (HMDS)