Malaysian tender for Light Combat Aircraft

thinkingcap81

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IMO You just can’t remove the Hindu bias in a majority Hindu community.
It’s common sense. So chasing mirage for some weapon sales to a Muslim country that follows Ummat Principles and goes many extra miles for avoiding anything Yahoodi, it will lead us to nowhere.

That said I’m neither a devout Hindu nor is a fan of 56 inch govt, to make things clear here.
I agree that we can't remove the Hindu bias and probably we should not remove it (i'm not sure about this). That silly notion of being neutral has been just a facade used by many politicians and been a silly construct of many unthinking left-oriented academicians. That's why i mentioned in my post #45 that Some form of nationalism and pride about Hinduism is fine and necessary, but it should not come at the cost of peddling unhistorical facts and increasing irrational hatred against the minorities expecially in the 21st century.

We need to start somewhere to sell our products. Malaysia is not Yemen or some African country that is witnessing civil war. We should not directly allow the Malaysians to dictate our policies, rather our policies should make us proud and have a standing amongst the worthy countries. At the same time we must also be practical and not dream of some utopian world.

Making a strong pitch for the Tejas to Malaysia is a good move IMHO. We have to tell the world that at least some of our defense products are very good, and that we aim to satisfy the customer also.
 
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jk007

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Hello @jk007 ! Good morning! Had a nice nationalistic sleep? When i wrote the post above i knew that you definitely would respond in a certain way only, and you did respond in exactly the way i thought. I've read your similar posts on PDF also (what a worthless forum PDF has become; i'm a member there too).

Look man, every powerful leader will impose a good amount of nonsense on the system he controls. Nehru and his band of elites imposed socialism which gave us our infamous inefficiency. The Soviets committed hara-kiri. So many strongman leaders are ridiculed the world over. Turkey's Erdogan is a good example of a seemingly decent leader, but is now allowing his religious rubbish to take his country down. Pakistan is not even a worthwhile place to talk about now.

But the funny thing is that a good number of these leaders seek praise from members of West and their liberal system which these leaders do not want to sustain in their own country. The concept of 'democracy' which is now the most useful form of governing has been popularised by the West; even the powerful Chinese cannot afford to dismiss it. The supreme core leader Xi is making a propaganda for his countrymen that the Chinese system is the best democracy! The total lack of a decent humanities oriented curriculum in China has created a set of diplomats who resort to economic power backed wolf-warrior diplomacy which is only angering the world.

When SP's Akhilesh Yadav said that he won't take the covid vaccine which he termed as Modi vaccine, he was pandering to his Muslim vote bank. There's no shortage of such people in India. Modi also does the same. Modi also is doing several good things. But we must not brush aside the detrimental aspects of his leadership also. We want to make our country such that we have political, economic and military power and talk as an equal to the West; we don't want to be China, Russia, Turkey. We should not pander to any religious vote banks in the manner it has been going on for several decades now. There are better ways of doing it. We have voted leaders to guide us and not merely massage our biases, just like we require parents and teachers to tell us right and wrong.

This is the first and only post that i am going to address to you on this broad topic. I'm not going to respond to your reply and insults which will be full of nationalism fueled self-righteousness. Have a nice day. Goodbye!
Thanks. I read first paragraph + last paragraph of your response. I think that is good enough.

Actually - I think that (sometimes, not always) PDF is better. Atleast, it is known that most pak folks are antagonistic to India / Modi / Hindus. I don't expect much from them [with the exception of one pak person in PDF, who continues to disappoint me]. In "indian" forums, it is difficult to know.
 
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thinkingcap81

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Thanks. I read first paragraph + last paragraph of your response. I think that is good enough.

Actually - I think that (sometimes, not always) PDF is better. Atleast, it is known that most pak folks are antagonistic to India / Modi / Hindus. I don't expect much from them [with the exception of one pak person in PDF, who continues to disappoint me]. In "indian" forums, it is difficult to know.
You read only the first and last paras of my response and decided what i have to say and so you think that i'll say the "56 inch butthole" thing, which of course i never will because in my reply i said Modi also is doing several good things. But we must not brush aside the detrimental aspects of his leadership also.

I think that PDF took a turn for the worse post the events of 26-27 Feb 2019. It was pretty decent before that.

Mods: Sorry for going off-topic. Not taking it further.
 
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HAL to replace Israeli components with Indian and Other Foreign sources in LCA Tejas bid, after Malaysia's objection​

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited-made LCA-Tejas will be offered to Malaysia’s FLIT-LCA program without Israeli-origin Elta ELM-2032 multimode radar, as well any other Israeli systems as most of the systems will be replaced based on customer requirements either with French or Indian system said, an informed source close to ****.

Combat LCA-Tejas (single-seat) has been offered to Royal Malaysian Air Force with Indian-made Uttam AESA Fire Control Radar and French company Thales likely will supply the Head-up display (HUD) unit and Damocles targeting pod with DRDO developed Helmet Mounted Display and Sight (HMDS) also on offer.

Royal Malaysian Air Force is seeking 18 jets to replace its fleet of BAE Systems-made Hawk 108 trainers and Hawk 208 light-attack jets. RMAF wants eight of these platforms to be primarily configured for lead-in-fighter training, while the remaining 10 would be Light Combat Jets. RMAF has plans to procure 36 LCA/FLIT platforms in two phases, with 18 aircraft set to be purchased from 2021 and the rest from 2025.

 

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HAL to replace Israeli components with Indian and Other Foreign sources in LCA Tejas bid, after Malaysia's objection​

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited-made LCA-Tejas will be offered to Malaysia’s FLIT-LCA program without Israeli-origin Elta ELM-2032 multimode radar, as well any other Israeli systems as most of the systems will be replaced based on customer requirements either with French or Indian system said, an informed source close to ****.

Combat LCA-Tejas (single-seat) has been offered to Royal Malaysian Air Force with Indian-made Uttam AESA Fire Control Radar and French company Thales likely will supply the Head-up display (HUD) unit and Damocles targeting pod with DRDO developed Helmet Mounted Display and Sight (HMDS) also on offer.

Royal Malaysian Air Force is seeking 18 jets to replace its fleet of BAE Systems-made Hawk 108 trainers and Hawk 208 light-attack jets. RMAF wants eight of these platforms to be primarily configured for lead-in-fighter training, while the remaining 10 would be Light Combat Jets. RMAF has plans to procure 36 LCA/FLIT platforms in two phases, with 18 aircraft set to be purchased from 2021 and the rest from 2025.

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Apparently they've offered JVs in a number of other projects & offsets in mfg a lot of sub systems in them apart from setting up courses in aerospace engineering & related streams in Malaysia. Very ambitious attempts .

If Erdogan finds a worthy successor or successors , they'd be inheriting a bloc of like minded nations once oil runs out & oil rich countries return to their old selves viz KSA , Qatar , etc .

Full marks to Erdogan & his team for trying , though irrespective if he succeeds.
 

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What chance does HAL have to meet the Malaysian LIFT/light fighter requirement for 18 frames? I would think that Tejas is best suited as an aircraft. It is reported that a decision will be announced a year from now so I hope that HAL will devote the next year to sorting out good customer care performance in case Tejas is selected. Inadequate export customer support would compromise India's aspirations to become a member of the club of nations exporting fighter aircraft.
 

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What chance does HAL have to meet the Malaysian LIFT/light fighter requirement for 18 frames? I would think that Tejas is best suited as an aircraft. It is reported that a decision will be announced a year from now so I hope that HAL will devote the next year to sorting out good customer care performance in case Tejas is selected. Inadequate export customer support would compromise India's aspirations to become a member of the club of nations exporting fighter aircraft.

HAL has met Malaysia's financial, industrial and technical requirements.
 

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What chance does HAL have to meet the Malaysian LIFT/light fighter requirement for 18 frames? I would think that Tejas is best suited as an aircraft. It is reported that a decision will be announced a year from now so I hope that HAL will devote the next year to sorting out good customer care performance in case Tejas is selected. Inadequate export customer support would compromise India's aspirations to become a member of the club of nations exporting fighter aircraft.
Low chance compared to korean and turkish offers.