Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

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Depsang is becoming more like the third battle of Panipat with one exception, While we are blocking PLA escape route to North, They are blocking our route to the south but we have cornered them in a J-Shape bowl very much like the deployment we had in Asal Uttar. The hook of this J is our traditional deployment in Depsang and the long handle of the J is the area to the north. This allows us to cut them off from Hotan side completely in a battle and decimate them devoid of any resupply. We wanted to have a proper U-shape bowl like Asal Uttar but our moves to the southern Depsang got stuck as PLA had blocked the Y-junction area.
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Depsang is becoming more like the third battle of Panipat with one exception, While we are blocking PLA escape route to North, They are blocking our route to the south but we have cornered them in a J-Shape bowl very much like the deployment we had in Asal Uttar. The hook of this J is our traditional deployment in Depsang and the long handle of the J is the area to the north. This allows us to cut them off from Hotan side completely in a battle and decimate them devoid of any resupply. We wanted to have a proper U-shape bowl like Asal Uttar but our moves to the southern Depsang got stuck as PLA had blocked the Y-junction area.
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But unlike Panipat, our troops will not be short on supplies. The only pressure factor that is hazy is the weather. This is the first time India is deploying a large force in the area during peak winters. Lets hope our preparation is sturdy and can stand the extreme weather challenges.
 

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Those who holds the positions are already loyal to Xi.
not necessary. And in present case this is definitely not so. Is should be clear the origin of present Chinese situation is when Xi was declared the lifetime leader. This pissed off a lot of people who at some point dreamt of being the CCP head. So within all this Chinese activities all lies a power which wants to remove Xi from his Chair.
 
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But unlike Panipat, our troops will not be short on supplies. The only pressure factor that is hazy is the weather. This is the first time India is deploying a large force in the area during peak winters. Lets hope our preparation is sturdy and can stand the extreme weather challenges.
Yes. We are neither outnumbered nor short on supplies unlike third Battle of Panipat. But this makes the break out thru either Galwan or Kongka La even more important. If we do that, we will be able to finish off PLA in Aksai Hind and recover all the area within seven days. Not even one PLA soldier will be able to go back alive if we divide Aksai Hind in two different killing zones. We already have South Aksai Hind in our firm grip and we can't loose from this position. But Depsang still needs some attention. We have deployed part of our mountain strike corps in Aksai Hind. The Corps Commander of the mountain strike corps has already been delegated to Northern Command and will work under GOC-in-C Northern Command. The 14th Corps being a pivot corps has been reduced to its role of being a holding corps with reserve divisions while all offensive ops will be conducted by the Mountain Strike corps under Northern Army Commander Lt. Gen YK Joshi.
I am hearing some murmurs of another offensive being planned in central sector as the kind of domination we now have in southeast Aksai Hind, makes our ops in that sector easy. The remainder of Mountain Strike Corps is likely to be deployed in the central sector. The Formations in the NE have been able to create mountain IBGs of their own so they do not need the formations from the Mountain strike Corps. They have enough of offensive power of their own.
 
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This Operation started on 29h Aug and is on going. A few days back we heard about some heliborne insertions in north PT area. It appears they were done close to Kongka La as I had predicted in my appraisal on 12th Aug of how the battle will be fought. We have now cut of PLA Kongka La garrison from PT garrison. We are isolating them into small killing fields for sure.
This is a great news. We could have retaliated with a great coleteral damage but we rather choose to reinforce. This strategy is paying off. In Military circles, it is said that mountain eats men. This means that you require lots of Manpower to protect the the area in mountain terrain. However, manpower smartly , you can do that with minimal manpower which exactly we seem to be doing by deploying the manpower on some key points to minimise the manpower requirement and yet have a control over the area. Strategic thinking is very much important.
 
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The Russians are taking us for a ride. I hope our braindead diplomats are not in this false pretense that the Russians have any kind of emotional baggage for helping India. It simply treats us as a client who they can sell our wares to. The recent way the Russians have been acting towards the Pakistanis. The embarrassment of sorts we experienced in the SCO it's clear the Russians prefer the Chinese over us and why won't they. We are being played for a fool. The Russians are grouping us with the Pakistanis again and again (I know it's the Chinese but still).
Natasha has herself lost the plot and it's going to screw us in the process if we take any diplomatic overtures of the Russians seriously.
Let's just treat them as a bagal ka dukaan wala not more not less. The Chinese have anyway got the Russians by the pussy...
The good Russian-Chinese relations today are only temporary. The Russians will have a choice to make once the Chinese come for their territory in the future.
 
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The kind of deployment we have in the area will make most of the hardware of China useless. We will be able to destroy them at our will. J 20 and Chinese cruise missile will remain main chellenge. I wish we would have a low cost missile system like iron dome in place. It can protect our positions from volley of cruise missile attack.
 

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not necessary. And in present case this is definitely not so. Is should be clear the origin of present Chinese situation is when Xi was declared the lifetime leader. This pissed off a lot of people who at some point dreamt of being the CCP head. So within all this Chinese activities all lies a power which wants to remove Xi from his Chair.
America with all its military might /Soft power/economy could never achieve the extent of damage what Xi Jinping has managed to achieve to china's Image/economy/Diplomacy. Even if he is little smart he wouldn't have done what he is doing now or could have countered the hidden power which wants to cut him to size .
 

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America with all its military might /Soft power/economy could never achieve the extent of damage what Xi Jinping has managed to achieve to china's Image/economy/Diplomacy. Even if he is little smart he wouldn't have done what he is doing now or could have countered the hidden power which wants to cut him to size .
PLA is not in complete control of Xi clearly. Else it takes only a one digit iq to realise that China should not go offensive on all front simultaneously. But Xi now has a chance to act smart and use all these excuses to sack his adversaries in PLA.
 
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Yes. We are neither outnumbered nor short on supplies unlike thrid Battle of Panipat. But this makes the break out thru either Galwan or Kongka La even more important. If we do that, we will be able to finish off PLA in Aksai Hind and recover all the area within seven days. Not even one PLA soldier will be able to go back alive if we divide Aksai Hind in two different killing zones. We already have South Aksai Hind in our firm grip and we can't loose from this position. But Depsang still needs some attention. We have deployed part of our mountain strike corps in Aksai Hind. The Corps Commander of the mountain strike corps has already been delegated to Northern Command and will work under GOC-in-C Northern Command. The 14th Corps being a pivot corps has been reduced to its role of being a holding corps with reserve divisions while all offensive ops will be conducted by the Mountain Strike corps under Northern Army Commander Lt. Gen YK Joshi.
I am hearing some murmurs of another offensive being planned in central sector as the kind of domination we now have in southeast Aksai Hind, makes our ops in that sector easy. The remainder of Mountain Strike Corps is likely to be deployed in the central sector. The Formations in the NE have been able to create mountain IBGs of their own so they do not need the formations from the Mountain strike Corps. They have enough of offensive power of their own.
This means China cannot win unless they take things up a notch and will probably take a few hard blows. PLA will have an image problem.

This the CCP cannot allow. They will not fight. Instead they will make us burn cash for a few months and wait for our next move.
 

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This means China cannot win unless they take things up a notch and will probably take a few hard blows. PLA will have an image problem.

This the CCP cannot allow. They will not fight. Instead they will make us burn cash for a few months and wait for our next move.
I dont think IA will be sitting idle burning cash for even a day there.
 

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The good Russian-Chinese relations today are only temporary. The Russians will have a choice to make once the Chinese come for their territory in the future.
That doesn't mean we get taken for a ride just because Russia "will" ditch the Chinese in the future. There is still scope for course correction for the Chinese in terms of Russia.
We should avoid getting economically tangled with the Russians. Keep it limited to defence and geopolitics. In terms of economics have direct business with the Russians instead of making these bs economic blocs like brics sco and whatever shite they come up with. We are ideologically extremely different nations. They want a transactional we should keep it that way..
 

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The kind of deployment we have in the area will make most of the hardware of China useless. We will be able to destroy them at our will. J 20 and Chinese cruise missile will remain main chellenge. I wish we would have a low cost missile system like iron dome in place. It can protect our positions from volley of cruise missile attack.
We have some very fine system in place in the area as good or better than Iron Dome.

America with all its military might /Soft power/economy could never achieve the extent of damage what Xi Jinping has managed to achieve to china's Image/economy/Diplomacy. Even if he is little smart he wouldn't have done what he is doing now or could have countered the hidden power which wants to cut him to size .
Americans have never fought a war on their own. They always outsourced it starting from the Great Civil war of 1865. They are still into contracted warriors.

PLA is not in complete control of Xi clearly. Else it takes only a one digit iq to realise that China should not go offensive on all front simultaneously. But Xi now has a chance to act smart and use all these excuses to sack his adversaries in PLA.
PLA acted under his orders. He can't blame PLA for his failures. PLA will rise against him.

This means China cannot win unless they take things up a notch and will probably take a few hard blows. PLA will have an image problem.
This the CCP cannot allow. They will not fight. Instead they will make us burn cash for a few months and wait for our next move.
CCP and PLA are now hard pressed and they want a way out of this. It has dawned on them that status quo ante of April 2020 is no more an option. Now the status Quo as on date will be followed. Even Modi, when he cleared our forces to occupy these territories, was told that if we have to fall back, these places will be occupied by PLA and we will never be able to win them back. It is for this reason that Modi decided to align the policy of the civil/Political govt with that of armed forces. IA will not vacate these heights come what may. The Political leadership is with Armed Forces.

I dont think IA will be sitting idle burning cash for even a day there.
The present situation favours us. Just the way they came and squated on our area without firing a bullet, we have done the same and as long as PLA does not go into offensive, we will continue to encircle them even much deeper in Aksai Hind. Way beyound the AGPL and as deep as our percieved IB which happens to be our LAC perception. The present LAC has never been accepted by PLA as LAC. But we have always published our maps as per Johnson line of 1865. So our perception of IB/LAC is as per our map. We never accepted the letters written by Mao in 1950s regarding the boundary between India and China as we never had a border with China. We always had borders with Tibet. India will not legalise any border agreement with China from now on.
 

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CCP and PLA are now hard pressed and they want a way out of this. It has dawned on them that status quo ante of April 2020 is no more an option. Now the status Quo as on date will be followed. Even Modi, when he cleared our forces to occupy these territories, was told that if we have to fall back, these places will be occupied by PLA and we will never be able to win them back. It is for this reason that Modi decided to align the policy of the civil/Political govt with that of armed forces. IA will not vacate these heights come what may. The Political leadership is with Armed Forces.
Do you think there is long term objective of Modi or our political leadership pushing Xi and PLA into a corner other than aligning with army? It makes sense for army not to vacate heights but there has to be some interest of politicians to take such risks against China.
 

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Do you think there is long term objective of Modi or our political leadership pushing Xi and PLA into a corner other than aligning with army? It makes sense for army not to vacate heights but there has to be some interest of politicians to take such risks against China.
Please read what @Falcon had posted as #Hellfire. For the first ever time, Indian Armed forces have a government which is supporting the Indian Armed forces and has allowed them to set the aim and sustain/maintain it with Political leadership coming around to support that Aim.
No restrictions like the ones given by Atal Charpayee in Kargil war to not cross the LOC. Hands free and trigger free is the directive of Modi to Indian Armed Forces.
 

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That doesn't mean we get taken for a ride just because Russia "will" ditch the Chinese in the future. There is still scope for course correction for the Chinese in terms of Russia.
We should avoid getting economically tangled with the Russians. Keep it limited to defence and geopolitics. In terms of economics have direct business with the Russians instead of making these bs economic blocs like brics sco and whatever shite they come up with. We are ideologically extremely different nations. They want a transactional we should keep it that way..
Actually it's the opposite. We should build our economic relations with the Russians, especially concerning NSTC via Iran and O&G trade.

We can't cut off relations now just because we do not know what they will do in the future. Economic relations puts more pressure on their govt. At least they will know that they can choose between India and China and that India has not abandoned them.

SCO is more about Central Asia as a whole than just one individual country. We can't move out of any such grouping, that works entirely to China's advantage since they will start calling the shots. The Russians wanted India inside the SCO to act as a counterweight to China.