LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
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Even if HAL puts EL/M-2052 in all 73 MK1As, we could still put our Uttam along with ASPJ & EW in MLU of original 40 MK1s. No need to fret, just get the birds delivered on time. That's it.
Pretty much. We need the jets, Uttam is an afterthought. It wasn't even part of the initial plan.
DRDO hijacked it, and now want to delay the program more even after it's already delayed.
The second tranche of 97 MK 1A can get both Indian Radar and EW suite
Till that time even MK 2 will be ready for serial production ie 2029
Yep. But if it's later revealed that even these jets will carry Israeli systems, it won't be a problem. Only some egos will be hurt.
Imo even those 97 jets carrying Israeli tech is a huge discouragement for local development. The order hasn't even come yet for those jets and by the time HAL comes to making them CEMILAC for sure would have certified Uttam and our EW?
The issue being how much of a priority they have given to the program considering they have so many running in parallel. The best human capital they have will want to work on the hardest programs while giving stepmotherly treatment to smaller programs like Mk1A. That would bring in delays.
And it's not just about developing it but also supporting it afterwards. For DRDO, Mk1A is HAL's program, not theirs, so they are unlikely to provide the same level of support as the Israelis as they would to Mk2. Furthermore, the Israelis can bring in upgrades and other support faster than DRDO can due to the importance of the program to them relative to DRDO's focus on Mk2, AMCA, Ghatak etc.
If DRDO falls short, HAL is very likely to look the other way even for the second batch. Unlike in other programs, DRDO is competing with Israel in Mk1A.
Uttam is already certified right? It is just the EW which has test pending.
But if by that time GaN based Uttam becomes a thing and get certified wouldn't be that a better choice than Israeli radar? Indigenous EW developed by DRDO is already GaN based.
EW suite is also developed as far as development goes.
What it needs its certification with the radar, airframe other systems of tejas mk1a.
Someone calling out the national science project Tejas BS.... Tejas Is obsolete even before first flight....... All money & time need to be spend on 5th & 6th generation platforms period.
You know who's actually responsible for this state of affairs? It's the end user - IAF & the project management which in this case happens to be the MoD for want of a better agency which in the IN's case is the IN itself.
You'd rarely see IN facing such issues for they're all 3 together - the designer , the end user & the project manager, roles which IAF has either refused to play ( we can leave the designer's role out of this for that's ADA's remit) or still hasn't gotten used to.
And the BA ( Hons) in English Literature babooos in the MoD are busy scratching their balls & sniffing their fingers , Atma Nirbharta ( what's that) be damned , content to pass the parcel & act as bystanders to the ensuing mess. The less said about our Raksha Mantri the better.
We can't even mass produce 4th gen and straight away you want to jump to 6th gen? This is typical Indian leap frogging and one of the key reasons why we failed. We tried to leap frog and make a jet engine without industrial base we failed. 4.5 generation Tejas is not useful when USA has said it will operate 4.5 gen jets for 30 more years and beyond? When China still has like 80% of its fleet as 4.5 gen? Explain your rationale.
Tejas Mk2 will literally outclass every enemy plane except J20. J36 and J50 will take until 2030 for LSP and beyond for induction. And even then, you don't think Tejas will be helpful against Pakistan? You think China will give J50 to Pakistan?
.You know there's a belief that ppl with low resources are more versatile and agile. We see the P0rki Air Force being as such with strategic acquisitions despite IAF budget being more than entire Pak defence budget. And now we see that in Indian Navy which gets a paltry 15% of the defence budget iirc.
I'm will devils advocate
By the time the 83Tejas are delivered we will be in 2030 timeframe
What good usefulness is Tejas 1a
When short legged and can't really carry long range heavy Bvrs and stand weapons for ground strikes and has limited load out
Pakistan
Will be operating
40 J35
40 j10c
Superior To Tejas
60 mlu F16
140 Thunders at least equal
As for china five hundred j20 and 500 j10 will be cake walk
Tejas is too late in the day period but good product
By the time the 83Tejas are delivered we will be in 2030 timeframe
What good usefulness is Tejas 1a
When short legged and can't really carry long range heavy Bvrs and stand weapons for ground strikes and has limited load out
Pakistan
Will be operating
40 J35
40 j10c
Superior To Tejas
60 mlu F16
140 Thunders at least equal
As for china five hundred j20 and 500 j10 will be cake walk
Tejas is too late in the day period but good product
1A is only for Pak. And it can handle J10 with AWACS support and inputs from other fighters. Same with thunder and F16. MK2 can handle all the above except J20.
Add other "currently friendly" nations in the neighbourhood to that lot as well. Certain nations are known to conveniently flip-flop as per their needs or the people in power. Look at the current BD administration.
.It can carry couple of brahmos NG.. 2 or 3 of Rudram mk2 and mk3... 5 of Gandiva with 350km range...in future with network warfare capability of IAF further improved ... you may guess what potential does it hold against any 4.5 gen enemy aircraft.
Technology in fighter aircraft is approaching a saturation point, making the leap to truly next-generation capabilities increasingly challenging.,.........While 5th and 6th generation fighters represent significant advances in stealth, sensor fusion, networking, and optionally-manned platforms, moving beyond these into a possible 7th generation will likely take a very long time...........Breakthroughs in propulsion, materials science, artificial intelligence, directed energy weapons, and quantum technologies required to justify a new generational leap do not emerge quickly, as such transformational periods in aviation history are rare and often separated by decades...........This technological plateau also means that countries which already operate 5th and 6th generation fighters will find it increasingly difficult to widen the gap any further, creating an important opportunity for countries like 
, which are still developing 5th generation capabilities, to catch up........By investing decisively in current-generation technologies now, we can narrow the technological disparity and position ourselves competitively in the coming decades......Reason why Tejas series production run need to be curtailed to small numbers & all money need to be poured to AMCA & future 6th generation options.
, which are still developing 5th generation capabilities, to catch up........By investing decisively in current-generation technologies now, we can narrow the technological disparity and position ourselves competitively in the coming decades......Reason why Tejas series production run need to be curtailed to small numbers & all money need to be poured to AMCA & future 6th generation options.
PLAAF's non stealth planes will also get upgrades in systems.
Tejas mk1a has similar payload &range as f16.
Despite being lot smaller and lot lighter, due to its large delta wing.
F16 also uses a more powerful engine than Tejas.