Indonesia orders 42 Rafale jets from France

The reason Indonesia canceled the Sukhoi deal is entirely American: CAATSA.

So Uncle Sam unwittingly helped sell the Rafale to a new country! Of course they were very upset about. A high-ranked LockMart representative (Mike Kelley) even seemingly encouraged Jakarta to go ahead with the Sukhoi deal despite CAATSA!

no not this time. they said they were buying 100 SU last time.
 
A) Hate against India (Hindus) is institutionalized in Pak......many many years ago, PTV-2 (not PTV-1) used to be telecast in Hyd (later, the govt banned Pak channels in India). I watched PTV-2 for a few hours [I could not watch further. My stomach turned on the contents].

In those few hours, between entertainment programs, there were many dirty news about Kashmir showing all lies / wrong news [like Muslims can not do namaz, etc etc with people saying the same, not just news anchor saying so]. A small kid of Pak [7or 8 year girl] did an electusion on muslim women being raped in kashmir etc etc.

There was single question quiz during advertisement break like "How many kashmiris did Indian forces killed in last x years?"
Answer-A) 10000 kashmiris
Answer-B) 30000 kashmiris
Answer-C) 60000 kashmiris
Answer-D) 90000 kashmiris

Answer will be shown after few advertisements. After the ads, the answer is shown as "D".

Few of my friends watched PTV-1 for a few mins, and said they could not watch further as the propaganda is much much higher in PTV-1 vs PTV-2.

B) Text books in Pak also show distorted history....there are some phrases in their elementary school text books that are spewing venom on Hindus [pls search google].

C) All this anti-india conditioning was being done from the inception of Pak.

D) I met one pakistani in USA and had good discussions with him. He said that everyone in Pak used to be obsessed about India.

E) anti-India ideology + ISI are major things that are holding their country together.

F) I wonder what will happen if ISI is bought under civilian control. Zardari tried that unsuccessfully.

G) It surprises me very much, that the Indian journalists who must be following Pak closely do not educate the normal Indian public about the hatred that Pak has about India.

PS#1: I also wasted much time in my life reading all english newspapers of Pak for many years. Recently, I stopped reading them, as that nation is incorrigible.
PS#2: Previously, nations on wrong path used to die, but due to fear of nuclear weapons falling in wrong hands, western govts were propping up Pak. Maybe, some of that stopped after afghan fiasco.
PS#3: Just imagine, Shoaib Akhtar + Shahid Afridi who played in India, been to India and lived in India atleast for a few months, talk about Ghawaja-e-hind.
Hi, was too tied up with things to reply to this long mail and i think that now it's too late to reply in detail. I agree with your argument of a very distorted picture being presented to Pakistanis. I am of the view that while a challenge to the present left-oriented ideology in many places in India is required, this challenge is being done using a toxic and very low-level thought process. This has a negative effect since the process of making a point to the intelligentsia in the western circles needs to come through proper rebuttals and not via shrill shouts.
 
(Janes, nov.15)

Indonesia approves USD3.9 billion in foreign loans for fighter aircraft programmes​

The Indonesian Ministry of Finance (MoF) has granted approval for the country to obtain up to USD3.9 billion in foreign loans for three separate proposals that have been put forward to sustain the Indonesian Air Force's (TNI-AU's) combat capabilities.

These include a bid to procure Mirage single-engine multirole fighter aircraft from the Qatar Emiri Air Force (QEAF) and a second batch of between 12 and 18 Dassault Rafale multirole combat aircraft for the TNI-AU.

The Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) inked an agreement with Dassault in February 2022 to procure a total of 42 Rafales. The airframes are being procured in stages and a contract for the first batch of six airframes became effective in September after a down payment for it was made with funds sourced from a foreign lender.

Approval letters that have been provided to Janes indicate that the MoF has been cleared to arrange for another USD2.9 billion in credit facilities with foreign lenders to procure a second batch of Rafales. The approval was granted in September after consultations with the MoD and the Indonesian Ministry of National Development Planning (BAPPENAS).
 

Prabowo confirms Indonesia to buy Rafale fighter jets, Mirage 2000, and F-15EX​

AIRSPACE REVIEW (airspace-review.com) – Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto confirmed that Indonesia purchased Rafale fighter jets, Mirage 2000, and F-15EX.

This was said by Prabowo during a speech as Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Retired Great Indonesia Fighters (PPIR) at the Grand Reunion and Halal Bihalal PPIR at the Jogja Expo Center (JEC), Yogyakarta, Wednesday (3/5/2023).
In the speech, Prabowo explained the achievements of President Joko Widodo's administration which succeeded in building various infrastructures and maintaining the country's economy so that it became the 16th largest power in the world.

Prabowo said, in terms of road construction, for example, President Joko Widodo's administration has built 1,900 km of toll roads and 4,600 km of non-toll roads for seven years.

The government also succeeded in creating 15 new airports, 124 new ports, 29 new dams, and others.

In the field of defense, Prabowo emphasized that during his time as Minister of Defense of the Republic of Indonesia he received the largest defense budget in the history of the Republic of Indonesia from Indonesian President Joko Widodo.
In the speech, Prabowo explained the achievements of President Joko Widodo's administration which succeeded in building various infrastructures and maintaining the country's economy so that it became the 16th largest power in the world.

"We have signed a contract for the acquisition of the most advanced fighter aircraft, the Rafale. Also to overcome the lack of time until the Rafale is ready for operation, we will also acquire Mirage 2000 aircraft. Then we also hope that in the near future we can also complete the acquisition contract for the F-15 for our air force," Prabowo said.

As is known, Indonesia has signed a contract for the procurement of six Rafales from France and has prepared a budget for the addition of 18 units of the second batch of Rafales and the third batch with a total of 42 aircraft.
For the purchase of Mirage-2000, so far there has been no news of signing a contract but it is widely reported that this acquisition is in progress.

As for the F-15EX (Prabowo calls it the F-15), Indonesia has obtained approval from the US Congress to acquire 36 units of Boeing's newest fighter jet.

In addition to the acquisition of weapons systems, in his speech Prabowo said that for the first time in the history of the Indonesian nation, we now have a real reserve component with the formation of 13 Reserve Component Battalions.

For the purchase of Mirage-2000, so far there has been no news of signing a contract but it is widely reported that this acquisition is in progress.

As for the F-15EX (Prabowo calls it the F-15), Indonesia has obtained approval from the US Congress to acquire 36 units of Boeing's newest fighter jet.

In addition to the acquisition of weapons systems, in his speech Prabowo said that for the first time in the history of the Indonesian nation, we now have a real reserve component with the formation of 13 Reserve Component Battalions.

"And currently we are adding five more reserve component battalions, where exercises are underway in several Military Commands," Prabowo said.
 
#TNI-AU #A400M

(air&cosmos, jul.25)

Indonesia orders 5 more A400Ms​

According to local press reports, the Indonesian government has approved the purchase of five Airbus A400M Atlas military transport aircraft. The contract is valued at two billion dollars, according to our Indonesian colleagues and the specialist magazine Jane's. This purchase had been mentioned in May 2016 by the Indonesian prime minister.​
Indonesia thus becomes the A400M's second export customer, after Malaysia, whose use of the aircraft by its air force will certainly have weighed in Indonesia's decision. The local air force is already well acquainted with Airbus, operating fleets of CN-235 and C-295 military light transport aircraft. A production line has even been set up in the country, which could be called on for this new contract. /deepl

that will make 7 (2 are already on order)
 
(latribune, aug.10)

Dassault: Indonesia has put into effect a contract for 18 new Rafales

Indonesia is buying a further 18 Rafales. The Indonesian National Army Air Force has placed a firm order for 24 of the 42 Rafales that were announced in February 2022.

Dassault Aviation has also added a further 18 Rafales to its order book. As part of the contract signed by Indonesia in February 2022 for the acquisition of 42 Rafales (€8.1 billion), the second tranche of 18 Rafales came into effect on Thursday, Dassault Aviation announced in a press release published on Thursday. It took a little longer than expected because of the financial mechanisms that Indonesia had to put in place. But it's done! The budget extension needed to pay the down payment of around 16% of the contract value for the 18 Rafales came into effect in July. Dassault Aviation never gave up in the face of the obstacles it had to overcome, and pulled off a remarkable feat. Indonesia had to choose between different weapons programmes to launch the second tranche of Rafales.​
"This new stage consolidates the start of a long-term partnership with the Indonesian authorities (...). It testifies to the strategic link between Indonesia and France, and will be reflected in the growing presence of Dassault Aviation in the country", emphasised Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier, quoted in the press release.

Is the Rafale stronger than the Mirage 2000 in the export market?​

This follows on from the six Rafales ordered in September 2022, bringing the total number of latest-generation Rafales on order for the Tentara Nasional Indonesia Angkatan Udara (Indonesian National Army Air Force) to 24. The purchase of 42 Rafales by Indonesia includes "a complete turnkey solution as well as a substantial industrial return for the Indonesian aeronautical sector," said Dassault Aviation in its press release. Educational projects will also be launched as part of technical training in aeronautical know-how".​
In the short term, export sales of the Rafale are likely to exceed those of the Mirage 2000 (286 aircraft sold). This is to the credit of Eric Trappier, who has increased the number of orders since 2015. To date, 267 Rafales have been or are in Dassault Aviation's order book (55 to Egypt, 36 to Qatar, 36 to India, 24 to Greece, 12 to Croatia, 80 to the United Arab Emirates and 24 to Indonesia). The aircraft manufacturer is also due to finalise the contract for 26 Rafale Marine aircraft, an order announced by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and the third and final tranche in Indonesia (18 aircraft). This brings the total number of Rafales sold for export to 311. Far more than the Swedish Gripen (102) and the Eurofighter consortium's Typhoon (151), or even Boeing's Super Hornet (48). /Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)​
 
  • Informative
Reactions: john0496

Indonesia Emerges As First F-15EX Export Customer​

ndonesia is set to be the first export operator of the F-15EX Eagle II multirole fighter, after formally committing to buying up to 24 of the jets from Boeing. While the deal still needs to be signed off by the U.S. government, that will likely be a formality, since the U.S. State Department previously approved a possible Foreign Military Sale to Indonesia of an F-15EX derivative known as the F-15ID, as you can read more about here. The version now has been renamed F-15IND, although it’s unclear if this configuration involves any differences, significant or otherwise, beyond some U.S. specific equipment being removed.
The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the purchase of up to 24 F-15IND jets was signed in St. Louis, Missouri yesterday — the location of the F-15 production facility — by Air Vice Marshal Yusuf Jauhari, the Head of Defense Facilities Agency at the Indonesian Ministry of Defense, and Mark Sears, Boeing Fighters vice president and program manager.


Also in attendance was Indonesia’s Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto, who had a tour of the F-15 production line. This included a photo opportunity in the cockpit of an F-15 carrying his name below the cockpit.


“We are pleased to announce our commitment to procure the critical F-15EX fighter capability for Indonesia,” Subianto said. He added: “This state-of-the-art fighter will protect and secure our nation with its advanced capabilities.”
As for the configuration of the F-15IND, it’s noteworthy that Boeing and Indonesian officials speak of this version and the F-15EX interchangeably.
In its press release, Boeing describes the F-15EX as “the most advanced version of the F-15 ever built, with digital fly-by-wire flight controls, a new electronic warfare system, an all-glass digital cockpit, and the latest mission systems and software capabilities,” before noting that these “will all be leveraged in delivering the new F-15IDN.”
An Indonesian delegation, led by Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto (center) during the recent visit to Boeing’s St. Louis facility. <em>Boeing</em> <br>

An Indonesian delegation, led by Minister of Defense Prabowo Subianto (center) during the recent visit to Boeing’s St. Louis facility. Boeing

“We have invested years of expertise into developing the F-15EX capabilities. There is no other fighter like the F-15 in the world, and this platform will put Indonesia at the top of air dominance capabilities,” Mark Sears said. “Boeing is ready to support this effort and remains a committed partner to the U.S. government in advancing international security objectives with allies and partners around the world.”
Indonesia was, until early last year, an outside candidate to join the F-15 operators’ club, which currently numbers just seven countries around the world. None of these have so far bought the latest F-15EX model, although Qatar’s earlier F-15QA version is what the F-15EX is based on.
In February 2022, however, only hours after Indonesia’s announcement that it would be buying 42 of France’s Dassault Rafale fighters, the U.S. State Department confirmed that it had approved a possible Foreign Military Sale to Indonesia of what were then known as F-15ID aircraft.


Under the original proposed package, the United States would supply up to 36 jets, valued at around $13.9 billion. Other equipment specified in that package included AN/APG-82(v)1 Advanced Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars, AN/ALQ-250 Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability Systems (EPAWSS), Advanced Display Core Processor (ADCP) II computers, Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS), and Embedded Global Positioning Systems (GPS)/Inertial Navigation System (EGI) security devices.
The jets would furthermore be outfitted with AN/AAQ-13 LANTIRN navigation pods and AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods. Also included were MS-110 reconnaissance pods, AN/ASG-34 Infrared Search and Track International, and AN/ALE-47 countermeasures dispensers.
A 40th Flight Test Squadron F-15EX prepares to fire an AIM-120D missile during a Weapons System Evaluation Program mission near Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, in January 2022. <em>U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. John Raven</em>

A 40th Flight Test Squadron F-15EX prepares to fire an AIM-120D missile during a Weapons System Evaluation Program mission near Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, in January 2022. U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. John Raven
That announcement suggested that Washington was making a last-ditch effort to persuade Jakarta to opt for a mixed fleet of F-15 and Rafale jets. That pitch now seems to have paid off, albeit for a smaller number of the Boeing jets than originally approved.
For the time being, though, we don’t know whether Indonesia will buy the full 24 F-15IND jets outlined in the MoU, nor do we know what kinds of weapons and support will be included. The overall cost of the deal is also unclear, as is the timeline for when they might be delivered.


Ultimately, however, the Indonesian Air Force should end up with the most modern and capable fighter fleet in Southeast Asia, with a potent mix of F-15IND and Rafale jets.
In the meantime, Jakarta has also apparently secured 12 second-hand Dassault Mirage 2000-5 fighters from Qatar, in a deal announced in June and valued at around $735 million. This is apparently an urgent measure to modernize the fighter fleet pending the deliveries of new Rafales — and now also F-15s.
Qatari Mirage 2000-5 fighters at Souda Air Base on the southern Greek island of Crete during the coalition air campaign over Libya, in March 2011. <em>LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP via Getty Images</em>

Qatari Mirage 2000-5 fighters at Souda Air Base on the southern Greek island of Crete during the coalition air campaign over Libya, in March 2011. LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP via Getty Images
Currently, the Indonesian Air Force operates a mix of U.S. and Russian fighters.
However, the fleet is aging, and Jakarta has long been weighing up options to modernize it. Prior to selecting the Rafale, the country’s search for new fighters produced reports about potential purchases of Sukhoi Su-35 Flankers from Russia and second-hand Eurofighter Typhoons from Austria. Meanwhile, Lockheed Martin pitched its F-16 Block 72 to Indonesia and there were also reports that Jakarta was also interested in the same company’s F-35A stealth fighter.
As well as older airframes, the Indonesian Air Force faces the issue of a very diverse fighter fleet, which makes maintenance a challenge. Currently, the fighter force comprises around eight survivors from the 12 F-16A/B Block 15OCU fighters delivered beginning in 1989, plus 23 upgraded F-16C/Ds.
A U.S. test pilot conducts a functional check flight in an Indonesian Air Force F-16C at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, in 2017. The jet was the last of a batch of 24 F-16C/Ds to be delivered to Indonesia, one of which has since been lost. <em>U.S. Air Force/Alex R. Lloyd</em><br>

A U.S. test pilot conducts a functional check flight in an Indonesian Air Force F-16C at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, in 2017. The jet was the last of a batch of 24 F-16C/Ds to be delivered to Indonesia, one of which has since been lost. U.S. Air Force/Alex R. Lloyd

Alongside this U.S.-supplied equipment, the Indonesian Air Force also operates different versions of the Russian-made Flanker, consisting of five single-seat Su-27SKs and a pair of two-seat Su-30MKs, deliveries of which started in 2003, along with nine two-seat Su-30MK2s, the first of which touched down in the country in 2008. While the Su-30 variants are small in number, these are currently among its most capable fighters, although it’s highly likely that sanctions on Russia now make it much harder to support them.
Two Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18As escort Indonesian Air Force Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers during Exercise Pitch Black 2012. <em>Commonwealth of Australia<strong> </strong></em>

Two Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18As escort Indonesian Air Force Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers during Exercise Pitch Black 2012. Commonwealth of Australia
Beyond these types, Indonesia was also expected to buy 50 examples of the KF-21 new-generation fighter that the country is developing jointly with South Korea. Indonesia’s PT DI is an industry partner in the KF-21 alongside Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI), with a 20 percent share of the project. In the past, however, Jakarta has failed to make payments to secure its stake in the program and its long-term commitment to the program is at least questionable.
A video showing the first flight of the KF-21 next-generation fighter in July 2022:


Should Indonesia’s commitment to the KF-21 be fulfilled, this type is expected to enter production sometime between 2026 and 2028. That could mean that the air force receives KF-21s, Rafales, and F-15IND jets all in broadly the same timeframe. As well as the enormous cost involved, this will place a significant burden in terms of training and support.
The costs involved in these procurements, even if the KF-21 is abandoned, could mean particular difficulties for Jakarta, based on previous experience.
In the past, Indonesia has struggled with tight defense budgets. One effect of this was seen in Moscow’s proposed deal to sell Su-35s to Jakarta. Had that sale gone ahead, Russia would have received half its payments in the form of exports of palm oil, rubber, and other commodities. While Russia has traditionally been more amenable to these kinds of deals — that’s not the case with the United States. Meanwhile, the 12 ex-Qatari MIrages are reportedly being funded using foreign loans.
Other problems could emerge, too, not least the concerns over human rights that saw a U.S. arms embargo imposed on Indonesia between 1999 and 2005. This was a result of human rights violations in East Timor and led to delays in F-16 deliveries.
A member of the Indonesian Mobile Police Brigade tries to stop a photographer from taking pictures of his troops boarding an Indonesian Air Force transport plane at Dili Airport in October 1999. At the time, around 100 Indonesian troops were departing for Jakarta, as part of troop withdrawal after East Timor voted for independence from Indonesia.  <em>Photo by ROMEO GACAD/AFP via Getty Images</em>

A member of the Indonesian Mobile Police Brigade tries to stop a photographer from taking pictures of his troops boarding an Indonesian Air Force transport plane at Dili Airport in October 1999. At the time, around 100 Indonesian troops were departing for Jakarta, as part of troop withdrawal after East Timor voted for independence from Indonesia. Photo by ROMEO GACAD/AFP via Getty Images
Nevertheless, if Indonesia does receive the F-15s that it has now committed to, it is a clear demonstration of the serious efforts it’s now undertaking to ensure its status as a major regional airpower player. This is driven by Indonesia’s strategic position at the southern end of the South China Sea, as well as an ongoing maritime dispute with China. This has manifested itself in incidents in which Chinese fishing boats accompanied by Chinese Coast Guard vessels have entered Indonesia’s exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea.
With the South China Sea an obvious regional flashpoint, it’s no surprise that Jakarta is looking at better ways of projecting power over this huge area. As well as long-range fighters, Jakarta is buying two French-made Scorpène class submarines, which will be built in Indonesia, and which will also be used to patrol these waters, which are home to valuable fishing stocks and natural resources.
An Indonesian Air Force F-16 prepares to take off from an airbase in Pekanbaru, Riau, in January 2020. Indonesia had deployed fighters and warships to patrol islands near the disputed South China Sea, during escalating tensions with Beijing over “trespassing” Chinese vessels. <em>Photo by STR/AFP via Getty Images</em>

An Indonesian Air Force F-16 prepares to take off from an airbase in Pekanbaru, Riau, in January 2020. Indonesia had deployed fighters and warships to patrol islands near the disputed South China Sea, during escalating tensions with Beijing over “trespassing” Chinese vessels. Photo by STR/AFP via Getty Images
Finally, the deal is also good news for Boeing, especially as questions emerge about the U.S. Air Force’s own commitment to the F-15EX. As we have explored in the past, the Air Force has been weighing up just how many F-15EXs it wants to buy, especially as it eyes investment in the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program.
While the U.S. Air Force’s current plans call for 104 F-15EX aircraft, this is a reduction from the previously planned total of 144, although an improvement on the 80 that it had said it wanted to buy just last year.
An F-15EX Eagle II from the 40th Flight Test Squadron, 96th Test Wing out of Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, flies in formation during an aerial refueling operation above the skies of Northern California in May 2021. <em>Air Force photo by Ethan Wagner</em><br>

An F-15EX Eagle II from the 40th Flight Test Squadron, 96th Test Wing out of Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, flies in formation during an aerial refueling operation above the skies of Northern California in May 2021. Air Force photo by Ethan Wagner

At the same time, the U.S. Air Force continues to move away from earlier plans for the large-scale replacement of Air National Guard F-15C/Ds with F-15EXs. It’s still unclear, however, to what degree these changes are intertwined with the Air Force’s plans for the F-15E fleet.


All told, the prospect of a first foreign sale of an F-15EX variant will come as a boost to Boeing at a time when the long-term status of the aircraft in the U.S. Air Force’s plans remains somewhat unclear.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Amarante
  • Like
Reactions: Amarante
Nothing to be concerned about. Just because they cancelled on signed contract for secondhand planes for $800m, doesn't mean they can't afford $8.1 Billion and will cancel that.. they will find it, it will be stuck down the side of the chair.

"The government ... has delayed the purchase of Mirage jets because our fiscal capacity, for the time being, cannot support such purchase," Dahnil said on TV One, adding that the military would order a retrofit for its existing Sukhoi and F16 aircraft instead.

Indonesia inked a deal with a unit of Czech defence company Czechoslovak Group (CSG) to buy 12 Mirage 2000-5 fighter jets in January 2023, valued at 733 million euros ($801.68 million), the defence ministry said last year.

The secondhand jets were set to be delivered within 24 months after the deal was signed. They were intended to be used while Indonesia waits for the arrival of some of the 42 Rafale fighter jets that Jakarta had bought in 2022 for $8.1 billion.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ashwin
Nothing to be concerned about. Just because they cancelled on signed contract for secondhand planes for $800m, doesn't mean they can't afford $8.1 Billion and will cancel that.. they will find it, it will be stuck down the side of the chair.
No there is no need to worry, Dassault does not announce contracts that are only signed, in general it is the customers who announce them, when Dassault announces a contract, it is signed and put into effect, that is to say that a deposit of 15% has been paid which will be retained if the contract is cancelled. It is very rare for customers to waste 15% of a contract.
 
No there is no need to worry, Dassault does not announce contracts that are only signed, in general it is the customers who announce them, when Dassault announces a contract, it is signed and put into effect, that is to say that a deposit of 15% has been paid which will be retained if the contract is cancelled. It is very rare for customers to waste 15% of a contract.
As of 4/23, is this wrong?
"Prabowo signed a contract in September 2022 for the delivery of six Rafales worth $1.1 billion."
At this stage, the rest is wishful thinking, 18 at a time?