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Who gives a damn to outdated Brahamanic rituals ? Personally , I asked the priest conducting the post funerary rituals of my folks to skip it and when he protested , told to get on or get out .

For that matter their fondness for camel pee is noted too and also part of a few Hadiths . As is cousin marriage and other such consanguineous alliances apart from eyeing foster / adopted son's wives.

Should we be passing judgement on that score too ? Let's skip stereotypes and focus on what's happening instead of what we think is happening .

Sorry to hear about your parents.

I care a great deal about my faith. But my faith is personal to me and I do not believe in shoving it into people's faces.

Cheers, Doc
 

Probably wouldn't be polite to a board full of Hindus to remind you where you stand as a fighting and conquering force on a global scale as a civilization and a religion versus the people I am a descendant of.

I am happy that you continue to be amused nonetheless at your mediocrity. Embarrassing as it might be to others.

Cheers, Doc
 
Same bloodline as whom ? The Persians or Zoroastrians ? This is news to me . All the while I was under the impression , the Ghanznavids , Ghorids , Khiljis , Tughlaqs , Mughals ,etc were Turco Afghans & in case of the Mughals Turco -Mongols . In fact even Nadir Shah was a Turk . Where do you get your history from ?

P.S- Tarring everyone with the same brush isn't a healthy habit.Not everyone who supports the BJP is a sanghi or a B h a k t. Just f.y.I.
From their book Compiled in 1960's named Shah Nameh i guess.
 
I guess he must have drawn the conclusion based on the use of Persian language in the Mughal court.

Even Marathi has vaste influence of Persian. Shivaji even spoke persian. (little known fact)

But this came much later and it happened only because they wanted foreign scholars in the court to balance the vaste Hindu scholars and the only place they could find them was Persia. Before that, the langue of the Mughal court was Turkish.
Even now Muslims in Telugu language are called Turki, Turka , they aren't called Muslims,
 
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He isn't. He is commenting on his own.

Surely he should be given the leeway for that?

Cheers, Doc

No he was not. He was commenting on the religion of Kalam.

Who made him the spokesperson for islam ? If he is self appointed and has declared himself the judge and jury, how is it "moderate" ?
 
No he was not. He was commenting on the religion of Kalam.

Who made him the spokesperson for islam ? If he is self appointed and has declared himself the judge and jury, how is it "moderate" ?

Kalam's religion was officially Islam.

Owaisi is a Muslim.

Owaisi said Kalam could not be a Muslim if he read the Gita. Now I am no expert on Islam, but if Islam forbids its followers from doing something, then that is between Muslims and their faith to figure out.

It makes no difference to me. And it definitely does not explain Owaisi to be a radical. Which I guess is your contention. Though yes I realize that your broader contention is that there are no moderate Muslims.

Cheers, Doc
 
Even now Muslims in Telugu language are called Turki, Turka , they aren't called Muslims,

That is because the Nizam called himself Turki.

In fact, after the abolition of the privy purse, Mukarram Jah, the last Nizam of Hyderabad retired to Turkey.

But in this context, I must recount one important part of History Hindus need to know and acknowledge.

Nizam Mir Osman Ali Khan might not have wanted to merge with India, but when he was forced to do so, he acted honourable. In 1965, during the war with china, Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri in 1965 visited Hyderabad and requested the Nizam to contribute generously to the National Defence Fund, set up in the wake of the Indo-Chinese skirmish. Without a second thought, Mir Osman Ali announced that he would contribute five tonnes of gold to augment the war fund. In monetary terms, the Nizam’s contribution was about Rs 75 lakh, or about three-fourth of the annual Privy Purse he received from the Centre. In terms of today’s gold price in the international market, this donation translates to a whopping Rs 1,500 crore.

The Nizam’s donation of 5,000 kg of gold to the National Defence Fund in 1965 was the biggest ever contribution by any individual or organisation in India and remains unsurpassed till today.

However, known for his wit and frugality, Mir Osman Ali Khan did not hesitate to seek the return of the empty iron boxes once the gold coins and bars were offloaded in Delhi. “I am donating the gold and not the iron boxes. Do not forget to return them,” the Nizam told the officials even as his son-in-law and confidant Ali Pasha carried trays of gold coins from the Nazri Bagh Palace. The empty boxes were duly returned.


Now that too is something we need to learn and remember. It take all sorts to build a Nation.
 
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Probably wouldn't be polite to a board full of Hindus to remind you where you stand as a fighting and conquering force on a global scale as a civilization and a religion versus the people I am a descendant of.

I am happy that you continue to be amused nonetheless at your mediocrity. Embarrassing as it might be to others.

Cheers, Doc
Let me remind you of your reality.
Your population is less than 5,00000 and you keep moaning about Parsis not breeding enough or the fact that You shun women who marry Hindus.
Remind me who came to our country as refugees seeking refuge from so called Islamic hordes, so much for your fighting and conquering force on a global scale as a Civilization and a religion. Your religion survived because we gave you a place to live and let you build your fire temples.
You lost your country, religion , had to seek refuge in a Hindu nation.
We havent lost our country despite 1000 years of invasions.

LOL, the bawa considers himself close to Mullahs of Iran. Why then won't you try returning back to Iran then?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

You think we are inferior, when we gave you refugees a place to live.:p Yet you doubt our capability etc. Whatever you are we made you or the board full of Hindus you address to,
we can take it away in just a instant, just try making this superiority claim in public i can assure you Mumbai will be have its (Superior lineage) population reduced by a significant levels in just a hour.;)

You have proved what Chanakya has said.

Parsis with Muslims on board now thats a new one to the list.
 
Kalam's religion was officially Islam.

Owaisi is a Muslim.

Owaisi said Kalam could not be a Muslim if he read the Gita. Now I am no expert on Islam, but if Islam forbids its followers from doing something, then that is between Muslims and their faith to figure out.

It makes no difference to me. And it definitely does not explain Owaisi to be a radical. Which I guess is your contention. Though yes I realize that your broader contention is that there are no moderate Muslims.

Cheers, Doc
It's also called Takfiri .
 
Kalam's religion was officially Islam.

Owaisi is a Muslim.

Owaisi said Kalam could not be a Muslim if he read the Gita. Now I am no expert on Islam, but if Islam forbids its followers from doing something, then that is between Muslims and their faith to figure out.

It makes no difference to me. And it definitely does not explain Owaisi to be a radical. Which I guess is your contention. Though yes I realize that your broader contention is that there are no moderate Muslims.

Cheers, Doc

Bingo.

In any case as per the quran, no muslim has the right to judge another muslim. So even by his own standards, he is a hypocrite.

"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful." [49:12],
 
Let me remind you of your reality.
Your population is less than 5,00000 and you keep moaning about Parsis not breeding enough or the fact that You shun women who marry Hindus.
Remind me who came to our country as refugees seeking refuge from so called Islamic hordes, so much for your fighting and conquering force on a global scale as a Civilization and a religion. Your religion survived because we gave you a place to live and let you build your fire temples.
You lost your country, religion , had to seek refuge in a Hindu nation.
We havent lost our country despite 1000 years of invasions.

LOL, the bawa considers himself close to Mullahs of Iran. Why then won't you try returning back to Iran then?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

You think we are inferior, when we gave you refugees a place to live.:p Yet you doubt our capability etc. Whatever you are we made you or the board full of Hindus you address to,
we can take it away in just a instant, just try making this superiority claim in public i can assure you Mumbai will be have its (Superior lineage) population reduced by a significant levels in just a hour.;)

You have proved what Chanakya has said.

Parsis with Muslims on board now thats a new one to the list.

You talk a lot.

Without really explaining what a great fighting and conquering force Hindus have been down the ages.

I can assure you I can do more in Mumbai and Pune than a score of your types my friend. You are free to try me.

Cheers, Doc
 
Let me remind you of your reality.
Your population is less than 5,00000 and you keep moaning about Parsis not breeding enough or the fact that You shun women who marry Hindus.
Remind me who came to our country as refugees seeking refuge from so called Islamic hordes, so much for your fighting and conquering force on a global scale as a Civilization and a religion. Your religion survived because we gave you a place to live and let you build your fire temples.
You lost your country, religion , had to seek refuge in a Hindu nation.
We havent lost our country despite 1000 years of invasions.

LOL, the bawa considers himself close to Mullahs of Iran. Why then won't you try returning back to Iran then?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

You think we are inferior, when we gave you refugees a place to live.:p Yet you doubt our capability etc. Whatever you are we made you or the board full of Hindus you address to,
we can take it away in just a instant, just try making this superiority claim in public i can assure you Mumbai will be have its (Superior lineage) population reduced by a significant levels in just a hour.;)

You have proved what Chanakya has said.

Parsis with Muslims on board now thats a new one to the list.

Like I said, one is entitled to their prejudice. They are not entitled to make up facts.

There is no need to get upset about somebody's views or even expect loyalty or kinship. Like I said, it takes all sort.
 
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Sorry to hear about your parents.

I care a great deal about my faith. But my faith is personal to me and I do not believe in shoving it into people's faces.

Cheers, Doc
It also doesn't translate having others shove theirs into our faces like the dawaah's or the proselytising drives we have to put up with
 
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It also doesn't translate having others shove theirs into our faces like the dawaah's or the proselytising drives we have to put up with

I'm with you 100% on that.

I have very little patience for any shoving of any faith into my face. I am most happy with the ancient one I was born into.

Happy and proud.

Cheers, Doc
 
Yes whatever. It does not really interest me.

What Owaisi is as an Indian is of interest to me. I believe his heart is in the right place.

Cheers, Doc
As long as he has to be an Indian , he's one . Given a choice , I don't need to spell out what he is or what his father was too. Seen and heard it with my own eyes and ears . Been around long enough to see Thackeray pilloried for identical comments but Salahuddin Owaisi going Scot free.
 
Like I said, one is entitled to their prejudice. They are not entitled to make up facts.

There is no need to get upset about somebody's views or even expect loyalty or kinship. Like I said, it takes all sort.
But we need to remind them who they are and put them in their places, when they go on to claim they are better than us, and claim to boss over us.
Aukaad dikhana hai inko.
 
You talk a lot for a people who live at our Mercy.
Let me explain to you what your reality is, You ran from your country, lost your religion and your so called force.

We haven't lost our country, Religion and our fighting force.

Now tell me who exactly is the loser here.

The urge to micturate will be very high if you see a crowd of people coming to your colonies in Mumbai, Pune that you claim to be your places.
You are free to try, don't come crying when you get hurt.
Watch that clip, tell me who gets hurt , the superior lineage or the inferior force. :LOL::LOL:

I cannot watch utube.

Do you have a point somewhere in that rant that somehow makes Hindus a superior fighting force than the at best mediocre one they are widely considered to be by historians and military enthusiasts worldwide.

Why even compare yourself to Persians?

Start small and see if that works? The Vikings maybe.

Cheers, Doc
 
As long as he has to be an Indian , he's one . Given a choice , I don't need to spell out what he is or what his father was too. Seen and heard it with my own eyes and ears . Been around long enough to see Thackeray pilloried for identical comments but Salahuddin Owaisi going Scot free.

I think you are wrong about the son.

Been around pretty long myself.

Cheers, Doc