Take whatever this Deino guy posts with a pinch of salt . He's a Chinese bot masquerading as an European with an interest in Chinese stuff. Used to be a moderator in P D F . May still be there . @Rajput Lion
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Most definitely. But still a source regarding J-20 and its development nonetheless.
Su-57's EW is named "Himalaya" and as per some Russian sources, it may contain GaN TRMs(already operation or in-future Su-57M variant).
"Himalaya" name is so fitting if it swats J-20s over the Himalayas, lol.
"Himalaya" name is so fitting if it swats J-20s over the Himalayas, lol.
FGFA required the Russians finishing PAK FA first. The engine is not ready even today. Had we started FGFA, we would have been sitting around like the Americans with the F-35, we would have continued paying more and more for the development delays.
The one with the new spine design is now being called J-20B.
Two-seater will get an S designation.
Deino's real name is Andreas Rupprecht. He is a well-known author of German descent.
His Chinese tilt helps him get better information from Chinese sources, so it's natural for him to act as a Chinese shill.
His Chinese tilt helps him get better information from Chinese sources, so it's natural for him to act as a Chinese shill.
Looks like a Chinese bot masquerading as an European with an interest in Chinese stuff got misinterpreted as a Chinese bot masquerading as an European.
Happens post 8 pm out here for far too long nowadays for anyone to object or set things right . It's now legit as millenials put it.
Happens post 8 pm out here for far too long nowadays for anyone to object or set things right . It's now legit as millenials put it.
Type-30 is now almost ready. In fact going into production from next year or early 2025.
My point was that, had we not got out of FGFA project, we also could have started getting delivery of Su-57M/FGFA from 2025 onwards. And by 2030 we would have had a strong force of 5 gen fighters along with Rafale and MKI upgrade.
Then we could have parity with the Chinese. Now they have nosed ahead thanks to J-20 and its super fast development/deployment/production.
So already 3 variants, A/B/S. Absolutely superfast development.
Also that 2-seat variant is going to be fully combat-coded version. Our FGFA was supposed to be the first heavy-weight stealth fighter with 2-seats. But the Chinese have even got here first.
140 FGFA and 200 Rafales were absolutely required upto 2030. Anybody denying that is closing their eyes to the gravest Chinese/2 front threat, IMHO.
FGFA development was 8 years long, and this included 3 years for MKIzation after the engine was ready. And then 3 more years after production.
Had we entered FGFA, we would have paid a lot more and would possibly have received the first jet only a year or two earlier. It wouldn't be in time for a war.
Had we signed the deal in 2014, by 2024-25 we would have started to induct them in service. Even an uncooked Su-57M would eat a J-20 alive. Look at this image:
Source of this image: India’s quest for advanced stealth fighter yet to emerge from doldrums | India News - Times of India
Anyways, since we have already opted out of joint-venture, there is no point beating a dead-horse. We have to look how IAF can counter PLAAF. More Rafale, MKI UPG and our IADS combined are good enough to thrash the Chinese now.
In future, with Tejas MK2 and AMCA our force structure should improve even further.
I did that on another thread. @Mods can you please search that thread.
Unlike exercises with other countries, when India goes to Russia, we do not take our equipment, we use their equipment. Their rifles, their tanks, their fighters and their tactics ballistic missiles.
This is their way of marketing. Used to work. Not so much now.
But the point being IAF flew Su35 and Su57 both. If both weren't bought, it's because they weren't better than our Su30MKI in performance. The year our guys flew Su35, same year our guys blew up things with Iskanders and S400. S400 impressed us and we bought it.
Just for comparison the smaller AESA of Jaguar DARIN III will be more capable than AESA Russians are offering for Mig29/35.
Serviciablity of AL31FP which we all do not like, is 2.5 times better and cheaper than AL41 when we flew it. That's why IAF is not really wanting to jump for an engine change in Super Sukhoi upgrade.
Serviciablity of AL31FP which we all do not like, is 2.5 times better and cheaper than AL41 when we flew it. That's why IAF is not really wanting to jump for an engine change in Super Sukhoi upgrade.
Can our Rafale-I take on J-20B(if they have WS-15 supercrusing engines)? Same question for MKI(post upgrade), or do we need Su-57M to take on PLAAF and J-20 in particular?
Only area where Su-35 is ahead of our MKI is in kinematic performance(better climb, better acceleration etc.). MKI is anyday a better plane than Su-35. Russians themselves have ordered more Su-30SM than Su-35S and are soon going to upgrade it with Su-35S' engines. With that Su-35 will lose its only advantage over SM/MKI.
On the other hand we are going to put wide-band Digital RWR(covering 1 GHz to 40GHz) like that of Gripen-E along with GaN based twin EW pods. Plus GaN AESA radar and QWIP based stealth killer IRST. Our MKI is going to be the best flanker ever better than any Russian version.
Regarding Su-57! Well, India pulled out because forget about flying the Su-57, Ruskies denied us all access to the program despite sinking litetally $300m. They also reduced our work-share which pissed off our Gov and scientists.
Anyways, until AMCA is inducted in numbers, Su-57M remains our only viable candidate to dominate J-20 and PLAAF.
Current planes at best can draw parity.
Forget about the West/Israel etc., I said elsewhere that we are about to leap-frog the Russians in Air to air AESA/GaN tech.
So Uttam GaN based derivative(for Mig-29K/UPG or for any fighter) >>>> Any Russian radar, anyday... anywhere...anytime.
IAF, if you have paid heed, doesn't like AL-41F1(F1S too) or Su-35. IAF has always wanted Type-30 engines. One of the objectives of FGFA program was to upgrade Su-30MKI with this new engine.
IAF also wouldn't touch Su-57 until this engine is completely ready.
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This is what I was referring to earlier in my arguments with RST who was laughing it out a few months ago , where we should be working on including developing counters against & as usual China's already ahead of us .
This could well prove to be a game changer on those cliffs where things may well boil down to a cliff for cliff & ridge for ridge fight after all the artillery , rockets , TBMs are fired , all the fighters have dropped their payload , established partial air superiority , accomplished some SEAD / DEAD etc . @Rajput Lion
Thanks to 10 years of morbid rule by UPA, China nosed ahead of us in every parameter. But now we've slowly but surely started to catch-up and draw level. Just need more focus by the gov. in defence to deter and eventually vanquish the 2.5 front.