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Unlike IAF, which can't match PLAAF in numbers, IA can match PLA in proper mirror deployment. "Quantity has a quality of its own", remember. In fact, this swift mirror deployment by IA against PLA post Galwan is what proved to be a huge deterrent. Chinese are very wary of fighting IA over the mountains.

Let's see how this Agniveer/Agnipath scheme goes.

Actually it's delayed because they're integrating Raptor like flat nozzles. Al-51F is ready now.

I too hope that we've MKI UPG. ready before the next Indo-China war.


Bullshit!

Yes, ASPJ pod with GaN. MK1A also has SPECTRA like wideband digital-RWR(1-40GHz).

Both GaN HBJ pods are ready as SAP 518 replacement. But they will only become operational in the MLU as it's designed to work with a wideband digital RWR(1-40GHz) that is far more advance than current Dhruti DR118(1-18GHz). So far haven't heard anything about SAP 14 replacement. But I hope that we do make our own low-band GaN jamming pod. E/A-18G also now has GaN based NGJ fully operational.
 
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Shiv Shastry in a sobering assessment of India's capabilities against China.
Our situation will gradually improve by the end of this decade. Till then, we've enough to hold PLAAF tagged with our advance IADS.

China could have surprised us in 2020 itself. But now that window is gone and any aggression will meet with equal force.
 
Our situation will gradually improve by the end of this decade. Till then, we've enough to hold PLAAF tagged with our advance IADS.

China could have surprised us in 2020 itself. But now that window is gone and any aggression will meet with equal force.
How has the IAF changed between 2020 and now? Well, 36 Rafales and 18 Tejas Mak1s are in service, it is about the same size as Pakistan, and S400 and Barak 8 air defense missiles are in service, which are more important. After all, India had few modern anti-aircraft weapons before
 
How has the IAF changed between 2020 and now? Well, 36 Rafales and 18 Tejas Mak1s are in service, it is about the same size as Pakistan, and S400 and Barak 8 air defense missiles are in service, which are more important. After all, India had few modern anti-aircraft weapons before
That's what we want you to believe. Please make preparations accordingly.
 
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That's what we want you to believe. Please make preparations accordingly.
Be prepared indeed, two J20 brigades, two J-16 brigades, one J10C brigade in the Western Theater, a total of 64 J-20 fighters and 64 J-16 fighters and 32 J-10Cs are enough to defeat any attempt by the IAF on Tibet and annihilate the air power used by India in Kashmir and the northeast.
Moreover, the airfield in Tibet was being massively expanded to accommodate reinforcements from other war zones in time of war
Let's not forget that we can also use Pakistan's airfields for a two-sided attack against India
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Be prepared indeed, two J20 brigades, two J-16 brigades, one J10C brigade in the Western Theater, a total of 64 J-20 fighters and 64 J-16 fighters and 32 J-10Cs are enough to defeat any attempt by the IAF on Tibet and annihilate the air power used by India in Kashmir and the northeast.
Moreover, the airfield in Tibet was being massively expanded to accommodate reinforcements from other war zones in time of war
Let's not forget that we can also use Pakistan's airfields for a two-sided attack against India
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You can forget about using Pakistan's territory as we'd nuke them & they know we will if they permit usage of their land to stage attacks on Indian soil by the Chinese.

As far as your calculations go the IAF has in the past wargamed against 1000 PLAAF Fighter Aircrafts including the J-20 & the H-6 strategic bombers & are confident of defending our air space including inflicting limited damage on Tibet & Xinjiang.

But as I said before the proof of the pudding lies in its eating. We won't know for sure before you try & then you'd know for sure if it's working.
 
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You can forget about using Pakistan's territory as we'd nuke them & they know we will if they permit usage of their land to stage attacks on Indian soil by the Chinese.

As far as your calculations go the IAF has in the past wargamed against 1000 PLAAF Fighter Aircrafts including the J-20 & the H-6 strategic bombers & are confident of defending our air space including inflicting limited damage on Tibet & Xinjiang.

But as I said before the proof of the pudding lies in its eating. We won't know for sure before you try & then you'd know for sure if it's working.
I'm looking forward to it because India and Pakistan have similar nuclear weapons and missile technology,
.I wonder why India is so slow to update its fighter jets since its military expenditure is not low.
 
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Be prepared indeed, two J20 brigades, two J-16 brigades, one J10C brigade in the Western Theater, a total of 64 J-20 fighters and 64 J-16 fighters and 32 J-10Cs are enough to defeat any attempt by the IAF on Tibet and annihilate the air power used by India in Kashmir and the northeast.
Moreover, the airfield in Tibet was being massively expanded to accommodate reinforcements from other war zones in time of war
Let's not forget that we can also use Pakistan's airfields for a two-sided attack against India
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It's a decent force for today, during peacetime. A bit more 5th/6th gen is necessary over the next 5 years, especially a strike jet a generation better than the J-16. You underestimate our developing IADS and space network. During wartime, you will need a lot more than that.

Pakistan will disappoint you. Any aggressive attempts by either party will see sanctions imposed by the West. How ready do you think China is for sanctions, never mind Pakistan? But even before we discuss that, Pakistan has to fix its economy. Any advantage China has in the air will last only 5-10 more years, and Pakistan will not fix itself before that. And China also has to fix its economy.
 
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It's a decent force for today, during peacetime. A bit more 5th/6th gen is necessary over the next 5 years, especially a strike jet a generation better than the J-16. You underestimate our developing IADS and space network. During wartime, you will need a lot more than that.

Pakistan will disappoint you. Any aggressive attempts by either party will see sanctions imposed by the West. How ready do you think China is for sanctions, never mind Pakistan? But even before we discuss that, Pakistan has to fix its economy. Any advantage China has in the air will last only 5-10 more years, and Pakistan will not fix itself before that. And China also has to fix its economy.

It's a decent force for today, during peacetime. A bit more 5th/6th gen is necessary over the next 5 years, especially a strike jet a generation better than the J-16. You underestimate our developing IADS and space network. During wartime, you will need a lot more than that.

Pakistan will disappoint you. Any aggressive attempts by either party will see sanctions imposed by the West. How ready do you think China is for sanctions, never mind Pakistan? But even before we discuss that, Pakistan has to fix its economy. Any advantage China has in the air will last only 5-10 more years, and Pakistan will not fix itself before that. And China also has to fix its economy.
Was it Biden or Trump who promised you US support for India? Is India Ukraine or Taiwan?
Put away your poor illusions, the Indian Air Force has only 36 AESA radar-operated fighters so far, which is about the size of a Chinese brigade,
You're still talking about 5th and 6th generation fighters? Don't you think it's funny?
Pakistan's economy is poor, but it still maintains a considerable military capacity, and its air bases are well-equipped, often with double runways and a large number of fortified airforts
 
Was it Biden or Trump who promised you US support for India? Is India Ukraine or Taiwan?

Um... No.

The US has mostly offered to sell tech to India. So we have the P-8I, Chinook, C-130J, Apache, C-17, MH-60, Guardian drones etc, with some more tech to come, like Stryker and F414. There are a few development programs like the NISAR satellite.

Put away your poor illusions, the Indian Air Force has only 36 AESA radar-operated fighters so far, which is about the size of a Chinese brigade,
You're still talking about 5th and 6th generation fighters? Don't you think it's funny?

Not just 36, we are also in the middle of upgrading Jaguars with an Israeli AESA. And in 7 years, we will have 180 LCA Mk1As with AESA too. During this time, Mig-29 will also get AESA. That's roughly 350 jets.

So 5-10 years is acceptable, no?

Pakistan's economy is poor, but it still maintains a considerable military capacity, and its air bases are well-equipped, often with double runways and a large number of fortified airforts

Pakistan today is at war with 2 major different groups in Afghanistan, and they are struggling. They have unchecked population growth with an imploding economy. Plus there's a civil war brewing because the army put their most popular civilian leader in prison, and the citizens have lost trust in the army.

During such a time, you think they will ally with China and become enemies with the West?
 
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Thanks to the addition of B-Net for full net-centric operations, i-Derby ER and Astra along with digital-RWR DR118 to track/geo-locate PLAAF LPI AESA radars.......our Su-30MKI is now in far better position to take on PLAAF then what I it was last year.

Based upon open source tender floated by IAF, we've upgraded MKI's ECM pods as well. It ain't as hopeless against PLAAF as it looks from outside.
 
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I'm looking forward to it because India and Pakistan have similar nuclear weapons and missile technology .I wonder why India is so slow to update its fighter jets since its military expenditure is not low.
In the event I've written quite clearly an India vs Pakistan war when India's faced with a 2 front scenario will turn nuclear meaning it's not happening . You may definitely look forward to it , they don't. They may be stupid not retarded .

They've taken a leaf out of Mao's playbook like how Kim from DPRK has . Talk nuclear war & unnerve the opponent be it Krushchev or Brezhnev when facing the USSR or Truman during the Korean war & later Eisenhower during the Taiwan crisis. It's goes out of play if one keeps overdoing the same thing.

Finally given Paxtan's present crises across multiple fronts , they're deeply beholden to western & middle eastern largesse both of whom have substantial investments here & lots of loans to recover from there which means plenty to lose. They won't allow an Indo Pak war. I think you need to desperately get out of Weibo echo chambers.

In the rare case nothing works , we know how to deal with them. I'd advise you to focus on Taiwan. If in spite of all your preparations it still doesn't yield you Taiwan which you haven't gotten in 70+ years & lies less than 150 kms away from your coastline with one of their islands barely 10-20 kms away from you , then you are nothing but a 纸老虎 & it's not a century of humiliation but two centuries of humiliation.
 
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In the event I've written quite clearly an India vs Pakistan war when India's faced with a 2 front scenario will turn nuclear meaning it's not happening . You may definitely look forward to it , they don't. They may be stupid not retarded .

They've taken a leaf out of Mao's playbook like how Kim from DPRK has . Talk nuclear war & unnerve the opponent be it Krushchev or Brezhnev when facing the USSR or Truman during the Korean war & later Eisenhower during the Taiwan crisis. It's goes out of play if one keeps overdoing the same thing.

Finally given Paxtan's present crises across multiple fronts , they're deeply beholden to western & middle eastern largesse both of whom have substantial investments here & lots of loans to recover from there which means plenty to lose. They won't allow an Indo Pak war. I think you need to desperately get out of Weibo echo chambers
I mean more clearly, since India does not have the capability to carry out nuclear blackmail against Pakistan, because Pakistan's nuclear strike capability is comparable to India's, As for your Western sanctions, this is extremely ridiculous, if in the Sino-Indian War, he did not help China, then, Pakistan is facing a crisis of subjugation
 
Finally given Paxtan's present crises across multiple fronts , they're deeply beholden to western & middle eastern largesse both of whom have substantial investments here & lots of loans to recover from there which means plenty to lose. They won't allow an Indo Pak war. I think you need to desperately get out of Weibo echo chambers.

In the rare case nothing works , we know how to deal with them. I'd advise you to focus on Taiwan. If in spite of all your preparations it still doesn't yield you Taiwan which you haven't gotten in 70+ years & lies less than 150 kms away from your coastline with one of their islands barely 10-20 kms away from you , then you are nothing but a 纸老虎 & it's not a century of humiliation but two centuries of humiliation.
In the face of an enemy who wants to fight Tibet and secede from China, India is no less dangerous than Taiwan. If the time is right, destroy India first. It better than destroying Taiwan
 
I mean more clearly, since India does not have the capability to carry out nuclear blackmail against Pakistan, because Pakistan's nuclear strike capability is comparable to India's, As for your Western sanctions, this is extremely ridiculous, if in the Sino-Indian War, he did not help China, then, Pakistan is facing a crisis of subjugation
I don't think you fully understand what I wrote earlier. In the past , when confronting Wumaos like you I used to think it was Baidu translate which was to blame for the miscommunication . Now I'm sure it's not just Baidu translate it's the person using it as well.

India's never blackmailed anybody. Show me once instance India's claimed it'd use N weapons in a war except if it is attacked with N weapons. Our stance throughout has been these are weapons of deterrence not weapons to be used in a war.

It's Pakistan which has forever used the threat of N weapons at the drop of a hat against India especially if they sponsored a terrorist outrage here to prevent retaliation till we executed the Balakote strikes against them in 2019. Since then they've shut up & what's more their economy & internal security situation has gone from bad to worse.

I think it's clear you've no clue about the kind of predicament Pakistan is . Read up more then debate out here.
 
In the face of an enemy who wants to fight Tibet and secede from China, India is no less dangerous than Taiwan. If the time is right, destroy India first. It better than destroying Taiwan
You're welcome to try. Let's see if the hunter succeeds in getting his prey or the hunter becomes the hunted.

Usually you enter such existential wars with the best of alliances possible . As it is with your choice of friends being what it is with the likes of Pakistan & DPRK or even Iran , it's worse than the kind of alliances Germany entered WW-2 with .

Another point. With the kind of powers Emperor Xi has accumulated within himself & his clique he'd antagonised a lot of factions within the CCP which in turn means a loss or stalemate for him can have serious consequences for himself as there'd be a lot of knives out for him.

In fact I'd go so far as to say it's time for Zhongguo to enact the opening lines of The Romance of The Three Kingdoms once more - "A kingdom long divided must unite & long united must divide ." You've been united for far too long. From the time of the Qing barbarian rule. It's been more than 4 centuries now. Time for you to divide.

All the best to you . You definitely need it.
 
I don't think you fully understand what I wrote earlier. In the past , when confronting Wumaos like you I used to think it was Baidu translate which was to blame for the miscommunication . Now I'm sure it's not just Baidu translate it's the person using it as well.

India's never blackmailed anybody. Show me once instance India's claimed it'd use N weapons in a war except if it is attacked with N weapons. Our stance throughout has been these are weapons of deterrence not weapons to be used in a war.

It's Pakistan which has forever used the threat of N weapons at the drop of a hat against India especially if they sponsored a terrorist outrage here to prevent retaliation till we executed the Balakote strikes against them in 2019. Since then they've shut up & what's more their economy & internal security situation has gone from bad to worse.

I think it's clear you've no clue about the kind of predicament Pakistan is . Read up more then debate out here.
Oh, of course, the Indian govenment is not stupid enough to have subjectively declared that he would use nuclear weapons if there was a war with Pakistan, however, are you not engaging in nuclear blackmail by declaring that if there is a war with Pakistan, the war will be nuclear?Such is the Sophism of the Indians that if they had devoted 1% of their Sophism to serious aircraft development, they would not still be producing a scale-down version of the Mirage 2000For example, Taiwan's FCK-1 fighter is also more advanced and well-designed than india, and they produced 120 of them at a breakneck pace in the 1990s