Future Combat Air System (FCAS) - France/Germany

[randomradio]

What part don't you understand?
The nations who develop the tech with LM, own the tech, The US can't delegate it, Anyone wanting it, has to negotiate with the nation who owns it,

Israel can offer, but again I haven't seen it said

The Israelis were the ones who offered it. They are cool with us. In fact, they want to start a next gen fighter program with India.

The Saudis will obviously have to stick their own stuff in. When I say they are offering what was offered to Israel, I'm talking about the modified airframe. Whether you want to put Israeli stuff in or an alternative, that's up to you. So we are discussing two different things.

Basically, non-NATO allies are being offered the F-35I with the option to modify the jet just like the Israelis did.

Anyway for now this is the closest I could find.

What is the F-35 fighter jet, and why does Saudi Arabia want it?

As Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman visits the US, we take a look at the fighter jet his country wants to buy.

www.aljazeera.com

Trump said on Tuesday that Saudi Arabia would have the same F-35s that Israel does,

The US disagrees with you about the S-400

Türkiye must abandon S-400 system to rejoin F-35 program: US envoy

U.S. Ambassador to Türkiye and Special Envoy for Syria Tom Barrack stated on Wednesday that Türkiye must forgo operating or retaining the Russian S-400...

www.dailysabah.com

Other than the voices in your head, I'll call you out, put credible links for India and Saudis being offered the F-35I
This is like drowning kittens, it's painful to watch you

That's for kids like yourself. Nobody in the US cares about F-35s operating alongside S-400s.

Turkish expert furious over US offer to give F-35 fighter jet to India, says this about Russian S-400, slams US

Turkish expert furious over US offer to give F-35 fighter jet to India, says this about Russian S-400, slams US

www.india.com

'Tis just politics.

 

[Optimist]

Show the links to your Israeli claims for Indian and Saudi

So the US ambassador is just for kids? Would you like another link?
It has already been reported that if the US makes an official F-35 offer, there are conditions on no S-400
Not that I see an official offer or request from either side

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/india-400-deal-ruining-f-35-acquisition-plan-ps

Google Search

 

[randomradio]

Apart from some future 6th gen being tailless, what revolutionary stealth geometry does these jets employ that not already present in these 5th gen? Also if such metamaterials become operational, what makes you think it can't be employed in 5th gen.

You can't have flat surfaces on the jet, like the Su-57 does.

MMs are great, but nobody has reached the level where we can use MMs alone to achieve stealth. 5th gen jets are not suitable for MMW and above or VHF due to flat panels and gaps. We need morphing airfoils and smart actuators like shape memory alloys for 6th gen.

Basically zero flat panels and no gaps, that's 6th gen.

Those reflection causes radar returns.

During extreme maneuvers...

Stealth isn't important when doing extreme maneuvers.

 

[randomradio]

Yes, for France it makes much more sense to work with India than to have to artificially divide design authority between partners who did not want the same aircraft. I had also suggested to our president that Dassault should modify the Indian AMCA so that it could serve as the FCAS demonstrator. It is an idea that is now becoming more credible.

If we are willing to pay that much, SCAF will become the only choice.

 

[randomradio]

Show the links to your Israeli claims for Indian and Saudi

So the US ambassador is just for kids? Would you like another link?
It has already been reported that if the US makes an official F-35 offer, there are conditions on no S-400
Not that I see an official offer or request from either side

Google Search

All that's for people like yourselves. The Americans have no problems with India operating the S-400 alongside the F-35.

You can believe what you want. Maybe physics works differently in India. Reality is the S-400 can't do what the US has accused it of doing. It's a laughable excuse to kick Turkey out of the F-35 program just 'cause the Israelis wanted it.

India was offered the F-35 and was rejected.

India Informs US It Will Not Purchase F-35 Fighter Jets

India has notified the United States that it will not acquire Lockheed Martin’s F-35 stealth fighter jets, according to a Bloomberg report. The decisi

swarajyamag.com

India has notified the United States that it will not acquire Lockheed Martin’s F-35 stealth fighter jets, according to a Bloomberg report.

The decision was communicated following a US offer made by President Donald Trump during a February 2025 meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi in New Delhi.
JD Vance made the offer too.

US–India Military Cooperation under Vice President J.D. Vance: F–35, Joint Autonomous Systems Industry Alliance & Nuclear Reactors for India

Recent visit of US Vice President J.D. Vance to India underscored the deepening defence ties between the two nations

www.spsnavalforces.com

Vance especially highlighted, "American fifth-generation F-35s, for example, would give the Indian Air Force the ability to defend your airspace and protect your people like never before. And I've met a lot of great people from the Indian Air Force just in the last couple of days."
The Israelis did too.

F-35s secured our air supremacy, can give India similar edge: Israeli envoy

Spotlighting the air superiority it has given to his country's air force, Israeli Ambassador to India Reuven Azar has said that any future deal between India and the United States on supply of F-35 fighter jets will give a similar edge to the Indian Air Force (IAF) in the near future.

www.awazthevoice.in

"I think that the advanced technologies in the military realm are very important to create an edge over adversaries. We already have received several squadrons of F-35s, and they are proving themselves to be very efficient in creating Israeli supremacy over the skies of the Middle East. If India manages to do the same and acquires F-35s, no doubt it will give it a similar edge," Azar told IANS in an exclusive interview on Wednesday.

Funny how both US and Israel are so keen on India buying F-35s.

Just so you know, Israel is turning India into their principle defense supplier for weapons to meet their own future needs. An alternate supplier in case their own production is destroyed. So they are setting up factories in India for all their cutting-edge weapons. Plus it's cheaper to build in India.

 

[Optimist]

You just make it up as you go, is it the voices in your head?
Repeating what I said doesn't win you a prize "Not that I see an official offer or request from either side"

Neither link mentions India being offered the F-35I

If you opened my links, it is quite clear that the S-400 will have to go and probably other Russian tech

 

[Optimist]

Is this the same fantasy you had when you said India should buy F-47I off of Israel?







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