Chinese Wuhan Virus Thread

OMG......is this for real ?

Translation : In Pakistan 2 people tested negative for Corona virus. Out of great joy family members resorted to celebratory firing resulting in 5 deaths.
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Errr... Do you know why the debt is bought? Hint : Its usually no longer due to any pay-off / yield in the present up-side down world.

The only mistake US has done was to let this rumor run that US may cancel her debt obligations held by China but it is still fixable.
Indeed. The reason it's bought is because other currencies devalue faster, that's why the UK and EU even sell negative rate bonds.
 
Indeed. The reason it's bought is because other currencies devalue faster, that's why the UK and EU even sell negative rate bonds.
Plus, bonds are the only way to store massive amount of cash while paying very less with a guarantee that you will be able take money out of it come what may come. Think of pension funds and insurance companies. How will they store all the money they collect from you while paying as little as possible with an option to liquidate whenever they want? Bonds is the answer. This is why govt. bonds can afford to have a negative rate of interest. Its the certainty that they bring in.

It is this certainity that will ensure US bonds will not loose a lick even if US cancels all the debt owned by China. Of course, no Chinese company will ever buy US debt then but who cares.
 
It is this certainity that will ensure US bonds will not loose a lick even if US cancels all the debt owned by China. Of course, no Chinese company will ever buy US debt then but who cares.
I think you are talking about Sovereign Guarantee (certainty), once you "cancel" any debt unilaterally, China will be well within in right to confiscate any asset US have in China, including US mega Companies like Apple and US embassy land.

You keep pushing this idea that nothing will happen if US don't honor the debt. How will you convince any other nation that you won't take away their money? US will become pariah overnight and every state will take out the money or confiscate assets, even the UK, Canada.

And credit ratings are of US so they won't downgrade? Seriously? Who will trust anything forget rating agencies after this? If there is anything that can finish US for barely a trillion dollars it is this step.

Can they persecute anyone outside MH? Or outside India for that matter?
Yes, they can lodge a case, Maharashtra police will bring them in, for people outside India it will be tough but when they come here they can arrest but its not big offence, people will get bail easily.
 
I think you are talking about Sovereign Guarantee (certainty)
No, I am talking about ability to print dollars if it comes to that. Thats a unique ability of US government.

China will be well within in right to confiscate any asset US have in China, including US mega Companies like Apple and US embassy land.
They can feel free. If they can find 1 trillion dollars worth of assets. BTW, US will do the same. Not just that, Huwei et all will find their foreign bank accounts suddenly disappear. Not to mention billions of dollars that private Chinese citizens have invested in US real estate in LA and beyond.

And credit ratings are of US so they won't downgrade? Seriously? Who will trust anything forget rating agencies after this? If there is anything that can finish US for barely a trillion dollars it is this step.
Who are the top three rating agencies? Moody, S&P and Fitch. All three are headquartered in New York. As far as trusting them go, here is the kicker : The same rating agencies assigned a AAA rating to mortgage backed securities in 2008 and they STOOD by that even as the actual mortgages kept on failing. In their mind, those MBS were as trustworthy as US or European govts. The total market of MBS back then was 1 trillion plus. We still use these ratings without batting an eyelid. Welcome to the world of high finance. If it looks crooked, then thats by design.
 
Yes, they can lodge a case, Maharashtra police will bring them in, for people outside India it will be tough but when they come here they can arrest but its not big offence, people will get bail easily.
The number of posts on U. Thackrey and RG I am seeing on twitter are massive. Same on whats app. Wonder if they are indeed serious about enforcing it. If not, then they have made it even more popular.

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How many tents will be required to house 10,000 soldiers in all? I am hearing from the usual suspects that those many PLA soldiers are present on Ladakh border in those regions.
 
No, I am talking about ability to print dollars if it comes to that. Thats a unique ability of US government.
How does printing more dollars "cancel" Chinese debt? You were talking about not paying Chinese (atleast that's what cancelling means), now if you pivot to paying Chinese by printing more dollars I don't know where to even start.

Who are the top three rating agencies? Moody, S&P and Fitch. All three are headquartered in New York. As far as trusting them go, here is the kicker : The same rating agencies assigned a AAA rating to mortgage backed securities in 2008 and they STOOD by that even as the actual mortgages kept on failing.
Assigning wrong rating to something because of poor research or work practise and thinking everyone will trust them once state of US didn't honor the debt obligations is comparable anyhow? Forget rating agencies, they will be least of worries once this magical wand is waived.

Welcome to the world of high finance. If it looks crooked, then thats by design
Sure, printing dollars at will definitely looks high finance.


The number of posts on U. Thackrey and RG I am seeing on twitter are massive. Same on whats app. Wonder if they are indeed serious about enforcing it. If not, then they have made it even more popular.
UP Government does that regularly, Mamta started it, Yogi tolerated it for sometime but once people started going way beyond vulgarity they were booked.

It is generally not used on anonymous internet users(unless someone commit grave offence) as they are too many and require too much work and time to catch one, it's mostly used on low hanging fruits, more like to send a message, fools who go overboard with their name and address in public.
 
How does printing more dollars "cancel" Chinese debt? You were talking about not paying Chinese (atleast that's what cancelling means), now if you pivot to paying Chinese by printing more dollars I don't know where to even start.
It does not. It does gives certainty to US bonds. Which is why they are irreplaceable EVEN if US government cancels debt owned by China. Remember, I was talking why US bonds are held in the first place and why this won't hurt US government in any meaningful way.
Sure, printing dollars at will definitely looks high finance.
Ever wonder what "quantitative easing" means?
Assigning wrong rating to something because of poor research or work practise and thinking everyone will trust them once state of US didn't honor the debt obligations is comparable anyhow? Forget rating agencies, they will be least of worries once this magical wand is waived.
Here it is how :

Step 1 : Declare CPC a terrorist organization or organization doing crimes against humanity.
Step 2 : Cancel or suspend all debt held by them.
Step 3 : No reaction from credit rating agencies.

Simple! This is not the first time US government would have frozen assets held by a foreign entity. Once US debt held by China is put into abbeyance indefinitely, it is as good as cancelling.

I am sure wizards in US treasury can come up with even better ways.
 
Ever wonder what "quantitative easing" means?
Quantitative easing definitely don't mean printing more dollars mindlessly. It's increase in money supply but not by printing dollars because they own the press. They create liabilities if they are buying Government securities and it still comes with load of problems like inflation and depreciation of currency.

RBI is doing QE when they are reducing CRR and other rates. They are not printing Rupee for fun. Reserved cash alone in Central Bank like CRR when lowered creates so much money in system because of money multiplier.

Simple! This is not the first time US government would have frozen assets held by a foreign entity. Once US debt held by China is put into abbeyance indefinitely, it is as good as cancelling
Frozen is different from cancellation, you can't confiscate someone's assets because you don't want to pay.

US withheld $400 million paid by Iran for fighter jets because of Iranian revolution which also led to hostage crisis. The money was withheld as punishment and Iran took them to court. They paid $1700 million dollars for $400 millions few years back which includes interest in out of court settlement because in Court Iran was asking for $10 Billion.

There is inherited trust when you enter into any contract, once this trust is broken nobody will enter into contract with you anymore, even rogue nations can't do what you are asking US to do.
 
Quantitative easing definitely don't mean printing more dollars mindlessly. It's increase in money supply but not by printing dollars because they own the press. They create liabilities if they are buying Government securities and it still comes with load of problems like inflation and depreciation of currency.

RBI is doing QE when they are reducing CRR and other rates. They are not printing Rupee for fun. Reserved cash alone in Central Bank like CRR when lowered creates so much money in system because of money multiplier.
*Ahem* Changing CRR does not introduce NEW money in financial system. It merely allows less deposit to be held by banks and more available to be lended.

QE literally introduces new money. Central bank buys bonds or other financial instruments with new money it has introduced. This is what "printing new money" is.