Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan

_Anonymous_ said:
Could you elaborate on your wish list ? Besides , what in your opinion is wrong with an exclusively Indian set of avionics on board the MKI upgrade ?
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There is nothing wrong with Indian equipment. Just that MKI is not getting it (From the horse's mouth, don't ask me which horse). If it does I would be pleasantly surprised.

My wish list would be APG83 equivalent performance for the radar, Uprated motor-generator, RAM coating, SPS, Next gen Jammer; K77M, KH31PK, 360 OLS (Eliminate Litening III)

( Not specific to MKI but for all Fighting assets Indian Made Mission Computer Series with a unique Combus architecture with Link16 and OSNAD conversion to India specific Modbus type registers for all network communications)
 
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Lolwa said:
That's why the f-16's failed to hit the mki but it was clear the mki was spotted quite easily due to the RCS. But I think IAF knew about it. I think they use the Flanker as baits while the mig-21's hide and use it as cover. The same way it did against the Pakistani f-16's.
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Milspec said:
There is nothing wrong with Indian equipment. Just that MKI is not getting it (From the horse's mouth, don't ask me which horse). If it does I would be pleasantly surprised.

My wish list would be APG83 equivalent performance for the radar, Uprated motor-generator, RAM coating, SPS, Next gen Jammer; K77M, KH31PK, 360 OLS (Eliminate Litening III)

( Not specific to MKI but for all Fighting assets Indian Made Mission Computer Series with a unique Combus architecture with Link16 and OSNAD conversion to India specific Modbus type registers for all network communications)
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If we can get this Scorpius Jammer on SU 30
Then , how much better can the MKI become

 
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Milspec said:
There is nothing wrong with Indian equipment. Just that MKI is not getting it (From the horse's mouth, don't ask me which horse). If it does I would be pleasantly surprised.

My wish list would be APG83 equivalent performance for the radar, Uprated motor-generator, RAM coating, SPS, Next gen Jammer; K77M, KH31PK, 360 OLS (Eliminate Litening III)

( Not specific to MKI but for all Fighting assets Indian Made Mission Computer Series with a unique Combus architecture with Link16 and OSNAD conversion to India specific Modbus type registers for all network communications)
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Regardless of where do we get the upgrades from , I just hope we do it fast. The upgrades on the MKI were due as of y'day. Yet the IAF for reasons best known to itself hasn't undertaken it.

I personally think sometimes , within the IAF there's either no concrete roadmap w.r.t to the upgradation of various fighters or the usual inertia. To add to it , we have HAL & it's shenanigans . The upgradation of the Mirages is a good case in point. The only exceptions seem to be the Jaguars which has been in planning & implementation right since it's procurement. Very leisurely in keeping with IAF's comfort level I guess.

In the MKI they've a magnificent opportunity to convert this workhorse into a true next gen beast minus stealth, good enough to last us till 2045 & beyond beginning with an order for 40-50 Super Sukhois with the 117S engines & a new agreement to manufacture them at Koraput followed by upgradation of all the remaining 260-275 odd fighters in Nashik accomplished by 2035.
 
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Milspec said:
There is nothing wrong with Indian equipment. Just that MKI is not getting it (From the horse's mouth, don't ask me which horse). If it does I would be pleasantly surprised.
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Doesn't make sense considering all the new technologies being developed by Indian companies right now for the MKI.

One of the basic requirements is to fully indigenise the EW suite in its entirety, including the IRST. We also want to use our own jammers, although I think there is enough interest to integrate other jammers too, it's all podded anyway. Even the HMDS is supposed to be Indian along with a new laser designator pod.
 
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randomradio said:
Doesn't make sense considering all the new technologies being developed by Indian companies right now for the MKI.

One of the basic requirements is to fully indigenise the EW suite in its entirety, including the IRST. We also want to use our own jammers, although I think there is enough interest to integrate other jammers too, it's all podded anyway. Even the HMDS is supposed to be Indian along with a new laser designator pod.
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Russian Radar, same pathway as the Mig29UPG. I am sure Rusaians will make some concessions just the original MKI system, but bulk of upgrades including the radar is going to be Russian.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
This Scorpius is supposed to work
against SAM Radars and Fire Control Radars onboard Fighter planes

KA band , I guess , is for Satellites Communication
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Yupp to Jam Satcom links for Comm navigation midcourse corrections etc.
 
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Russian Radar, same pathway as the Mig29UPG. I am sure Rusaians will make some concessions just the original MKI system, but bulk of upgrades including the radar is going to be Russian.
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This is what HAL has proposed.
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Regarding J10C, first of all, he is undoubtedly an improvement to the Pakistan Air Force. In the future, Pakistan can organize an elite force composed of J10C and jf17block3 to handle future small-scale border conflicts.
In addition to the Rafale fighter jets in the Indian Air Force, the other aircraft J10C can be suppressed, and the 36 Rafales have to face pressure from Pakistan and China at the same time.
Many people say that the thrust of JF17 is insufficient. First of all, the T/W of this kind of light aircraft is not high.
Like JF17, LCA, Gripen C, FA50, the T/W of this kind of light fighter is about 0.97.
With a bypass ratio of 0.56, RD33 achieves better high-altitude and high-speed performance than F404, a good T/W ratio, a weight of about 1t, and a thrust of 8t.
 
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Regarding J10C, first of all, he is undoubtedly an improvement to the Pakistan Air Force. In the future, Pakistan can organize an elite force composed of J10C and jf17block3 to handle future small-scale border conflicts.
In addition to the Rafale fighter jets in the Indian Air Force, the other aircraft J10C can be suppressed, and the 36 Rafales have to face pressure from Pakistan and China at the same time.
Many people say that the thrust of JF17 is insufficient. First of all, the T/W of this kind of light aircraft is not high.
Like JF17, LCA, Gripen C, FA50, the T/W of this kind of light fighter is about 0.97.
With a bypass ratio of 0.56, RD33 achieves better high-altitude and high-speed performance than F404, a good T/W ratio, a weight of about 1t, and a thrust of 8t.
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But they use the rd-93 not the rd33mk3. The jf-17 is slow and worse than our mig 21 bisons
 
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Lolwa said:
But they use the rd-93 not the rd33mk3. The jf-17 is slow and worse than our mig 21 bisons
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More to the point it'd be worth checking out which engines power the J-10C meant for Paxtan. If I'm not mistaken the Chinese are on a re placement spree of all Russian engines with indigenous ones now that they've finally managed to develop their own.
 
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xxxxx said:
RD93 is a single-shot version of RD33. RD33MK3 is the model redesigned for MIG29K and MIG35. Naturally, there is a corresponding RD93MK.
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Yeah but rd93 is older compared to the mk3 and has lesser thrust. If I'm not wrong.
 
Lolwa said:
That's why the f-16's failed to hit the mki but it was clear the mki was spotted quite easily due to the RCS. But I think IAF knew about it. I think they use the Flanker as baits while the mig-21's hide and use it as cover. The same way it did against the Pakistani f-16's.
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Any jet flying above 10000 feet will get detected,,, and on 27th Feb SUs were flying high to create the furball. While Mirages and Mig were flying low for the interception, it has nothing to do with RCS.
 
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