Chengdu J-10C for Pakistan

This is the mini-budget coming up. Even rudimentary ingredients like salt and pepper will be taxed more

You couldn't be more wrong. Developed countries have already come up with a tax on junk food. We both know that salt & pepper are known malefics as far as human health goes. It also significantly increases production of gases. Hence it's a no brainer that in Naya Paxtan such moves were long overdue. Dimran must be commended on such innovation & positive steps to boost public health.

Maamu, while you're busy goofing around watching animes meant for teens I'm holding fort on your behalf out here. @safriz
 
I just hope MWF to get ready early and eat into mk1A numbers, we ll have detailed answers to J10 across both the borders.

While in reality will have to be contended defending with Mk1A.

Uttam 2 equipped Su30 mki will regain its Mini Awac status which Chinese may be fielding now. I guess we are about 10 years behind Chinese .
MKI will get a russian radar upgrade, not an Indian one. IMO
 
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MKI will get a russian radar upgrade, not an Indian one. IMO
Long time no see. How've you been?

Chatter on Twitter among the BR gang & veterans indicated that practically all avionics including the AESA radar is going to be of Indian origin. That's what has prevented the IAF from going in for the Super Sukhoi upgrade package as the Uttam Mk-2 isn't certified yet.

The only decision to be taken is on the engine upgrades & the numbers that'd be upgraded.
 
Long time no see. How've you been?

Chatter on Twitter among the BR gang & veterans indicated that practically all avionics including the AESA radar is going to be of Indian origin. That's what has prevented the IAF from going in for the Super Sukhoi upgrade package as the Uttam Mk-2 isn't certified yet.

The only decision to be taken is on the engine upgrades & the numbers that'd be upgraded.
Good, just got back from india.

For MKI I wish avionics and radar would be of Indo-Israeli-French origins, but it wont be. Rest of the details will come out soon enough. 3-6 months
 
and the MKI is superior to the F-16 in BVR.
To be honest, I do not agree with what you said, the level of AIM120C5 is undoubtedly much higher than R27ET and R77.
Although the N011 radar is PESA, its transmission power is not high. I think it has no advantage over APG68 (V9).
So I think the BVR capability of su30MKI is higher than that of F16.
 
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Pakistan buys 25 Chinese-made Chengdu J-10C multirole fighters​

According to information published by Tass on December 30, 2021, Pakistan has decided to buy 25 Chengdu J-10C multirole fighters from China amid strained relations with India.
The purchase comes after the Indian Air Force received another batch of French-made Rafale fighters, the agency said.

In September 2016, India and France signed a contract for the delivery of 36 Rafale fighters worth about $8.8 billion. The aircraft is manufactured by Dassault Aviation. All the fighters are due to arrive by the end of 2022.

Equipped with an advanced avionics system and various airborne weapons, the domestically-developed fighter has airstrike capabilities within medium and close range and is capable of precisely striking land and maritime targets, the air force said in a statement.

It is China's third-generation supersonic fighter and made its debut when the PLA marked its 90th anniversary in July 2017 at Zhurihe military training base in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.

It is equipped with an indigenous Active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire-control radar and is equipped with imaging infrared seeker (IIR) PL-10 and new long range dual pulse rocket motor PL-15 air-to-air missile (AAM).
 
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There's a seperate thread for J10C pakistan procurement, ensure to keep the relevant discussion there. J-10C for Pakistan

For Su30MKI we have an existing thread. Keep this thread for JF17 related stuff. Avoid offtopic discussion.

Would be a task for mods to clean up.
 
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Good, just got back from india.

For MKI I wish avionics and radar would be of Indo-Israeli-French origins, but it wont be. Rest of the details will come out soon enough. 3-6 months
Could you elaborate on your wish list ? Besides , what in your opinion is wrong with an exclusively Indian set of avionics on board the MKI upgrade ?
 
Based on advertised specs, the radar cannot use the full capabilities of the missile, except the MKI. But what's equally important is kinematics. A jet needs to be faster in acceleration, roll, turns and climb for BVR. Obviously the JF-17's gonna fall short. The upgrade to J-10C somewhat makes up for the difference, even if the J-10C also ends up using the same radar.
J-10 uses a different radar than the bandar although it's based on the klj-7a. It's far bigger and its radar is comparable to the apg-79 atleast in terms of size. No idea about its range and performance
 
To be honest, I do not agree with what you said, the level of AIM120C5 is undoubtedly much higher than R27ET and R77.
Although the N011 radar is PESA, its transmission power is not high. I think it has no advantage over APG68 (V9).
So I think the BVR capability of su30MKI is higher than that of F16.
It's more due to RCS than radar capability. The mki has a large RCS than the f-16. It will be seen first. The aim 120 c-5 is inferior to the r-77 SD but we used the older 80km variant. So nothing surprising. Better missile will win the fight.
 
It's more due to RCS than radar capability. The mki has a large RCS than the f-16. It will be seen first. The aim 120 c-5 is inferior to the r-77 SD but we used the older 80km variant. So nothing surprising. Better missile will win the fight.
Do take into consideration the self defence capability too. The RWR, the MAWS, Decoys, SPJ, etc. They too count.
 
Do take into consideration the self defence capability too. The RWR, the MAWS, Decoys, SPJ, etc. They too count.
That's why the f-16's failed to hit the mki but it was clear the mki was spotted quite easily due to the RCS. But I think IAF knew about it. I think they use the Flanker as baits while the mig-21's hide and use it as cover. The same way it did against the Pakistani f-16's.
 
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To be honest, I do not agree with what you said, the level of AIM120C5 is undoubtedly much higher than R27ET and R77.
Although the N011 radar is PESA, its transmission power is not high. I think it has no advantage over APG68 (V9).
So I think the BVR capability of su30MKI is higher than that of F16.

Are you trying to say the opposite?

J-10 uses a different radar than the bandar although it's based on the klj-7a. It's far bigger and its radar is comparable to the apg-79 atleast in terms of size. No idea about its range and performance

Sure. But only if the PLAAF allows its export.
 
That's why the f-16's failed to hit the mki but it was clear the mki was spotted quite easily due to the RCS. But I think IAF knew about it. I think they use the Flanker as baits while the mig-21's hide and use it as cover. The same way it did against the Pakistani f-16's.
Exactly what was done during a recent red flag with MKI hiding Rafale, but shhhh