Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
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To the contrary. Bercow decision allowed parliament to take back control from Brexit junta. Parliamentary sovereignty has been upheld, all Brexiteers should rejoice. Isn't this what the Brexit vote was about?
Well, for once our Parliamentary system functioned properly and actually now holds the Executive to account.
Well done Mr Speaker for setting the precedent. Long may it continue.
Sure. Just like I can declare myself to be the new Monarch of the UK.
I know your schtick, but for other people out there:
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union – Q&A
When does the United Kingdom cease to be a member of the European Union?
The EU Treaties cease to apply to the United Kingdom from the date of entry into force of the agreement, or within 2 years of the notification of withdrawal, in case of no agreement. The Council may decide to extend that period by unanimity.
So, it's the European Council who has the power to declare an extension, and this requires unanimity.
The difference is that they are on diplomatic visits not collaboration visits. Yes, there was collaboration between the Allies and the Soviets during WWII because it was a forced necessity. They needed our supplies and navy and we needed them to keep the Germans occupied on the Eastern Front. Equally, US pilots were shooting down Japanese for China well before Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.A simple congress political leader who killed scores of occupying forces, we are absolutely proud of him.
as for picture, lets see
This is completely true. Ironically they can unilaterally revoke Brexit but not unilaterally invoke an extension to Article 50 negotiations. So, there is a small chance that something extremely dumb could happen, i.e. they could revoke Brexit and then trigger Article 50 again.
Because of this absurdity, I think it is likely that the Tetragrammaton Council of Libria would grant an extension.
It absolutely wasn't though and it was a highly counter-productive one that's only end-game was replacing Britain with an even more ruthless Imperial Japan. Britain had already promised independence for India in exchange for their help in WWII, so his collaboration was simply a betrayal of India as well as the allies.
Do you think Hitler or Hirohito would have given Indian independence if they'd won? Or would they simply have responded with industrialised genocide to any such attempts?
The whole enemy of an enemy mindset has proven extremely dangerous and often counter-productive even when dealing with weaker enemies of enemies. To apply the same approach with two ruthless global superpowers in that seat from the position of a weak, undeveloped nation is suicidal. Bose was a f'ing idiot and India is very lucky that his 'new friends' didn't win.
An imperial power that had already promised you independence after the war and delivered on that, vs two other even more heinous imperial superpowers that had made no such promise. Even inhuman conditions is far better than the gas-chamber-oven production line.
What was Bose's follow-up plan if the allies were defeated and India was overrun by Imperial Japan? Serious question. If you can't answer it, then you should pick your heroes more carefully.
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Haven't I told you umteen times to educate yourself in Indian history before posting out here?
Cripps Mission - Wikipedia
What exactly do you mean by betrayal of India & the allies? Whose allies are we talking about? Yours? We were dragged into your war with no say in it, whatsoever. An effort which resulted in a million casualties apart from the material support provide, at the end of which Britain was in debt to India in more ways than money can quantify. It can safely be argued that but for India, you would have an equivalent of a Vichy government too.
Didn't I post the link to Alternate History out here in response to another speculative query of yours? Feel free to unburden yourself there.
In the final analysis, Bose succeeded even though he failed in his effort. The notion that sections of the British Indian Army joined an armed struggle with the Enemies of the BE, the outright revolt of the Royal Indian Navy, the Quit India movement, the dilapidated & wretched state that Britain found itself in post WW-2, among other factors so spooked the Labour Government that Atlee resolved to grant India Independence and then brought ahead the date of Independence by a full 8-9 months.
We owe Tojo, Hitler, etc a big debt of gratitude for bringing about the dissolution of the BE a full 900 odd years before it was supposed to end.
Quit India Movement - Wikipedia
Like Japan would have left you alone if Britain wasn't there?
But yeah, we dragged you into it.Nope.
How did he succeed if he failed in his effort? You are crediting a lunatic who took the wrong path simply because the right people took the right path and succeeded. That's like accrediting the USA's successful moon landing to Russia's failed moon rocket.
The Cold War did that actually. Tojo and Hitler simply made the British Empire a lot less unpopular by presenting something worse to put it in perspective. With the rise of the US and USSR, it was going to happen sooner rather than later anyway. I also doubt that Tojo and Hitler's goals included liberation of India, even towards the bottom of their list.
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We would never know that. We can only deal with the ground realities. Brits lead especially by the the fat wretched creature was hell bent on kiling Indians, the poorest of the poorest, at that time even selling your soul to the satan to defeat this wretched empire was justifiable.Quit India Movement - Wikipedia
Like Japan would have left you alone if Britain wasn't there?
Your words: forced necessity.
The most unfortunate aspect is that the empire and it's successor nation never had to pay for it's sins, i hope one day it does.
Well you were proven wrong since they did give you independence. The Quit India movement were locked up, the UK won the war and India gained independence.
You chose Hitler and Tojo to win WWII and the USSR to win the Cold War. I hope gambling is against the Hindu religion, because you guys suck at picking a winner.