Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

We would never know that. We can only deal with the ground realities. Brits lead especially by the the fat wretched creature was hell bent on kiling Indians, the poorest of the poorest, at that time even selling your soul to the satan to defeat this wretched empire was justifiable.

Your words: forced necessity.

The most unfortunate aspect is that the empire and it's successor nation never had to pay for it's sins, i hope one day it does.
You do know that but refuse to admit it. 'Hellbent' - I see no evidence of that. You'll find that the Japanese killed far more Chinese alone. And millions of the 'poorest of the poorest' still die from malnutrition in India even in peace time right now.

It clearly wasn't a 'forced necessity' though, since the plot failed, Hitler and Tojo lost and the UK still gave you independence.

You history lessons are worse than those of the Soviet Union pre-1987.
 
You do know that but refuse to admit it. 'Hellbent' - I see no evidence of that. You'll find that the Japanese killed far more Chinese alone. And millions of the 'poorest of the poorest' still die from malnutrition in India even in peace time right now.

It clearly wasn't a 'forced necessity' though, since the plot failed, Hitler and Tojo lost and the UK still gave you independence.

You history lessons are worse than those of the Soviet Union pre-1987.
It's just a silly case of paradigm blindness in your case, in the zeal to flutter your pom poms for the empire, you use the worst of false equivalencies to justify brutal, intentional and well designed atrocities of the British on Indian population, and thus do not recognize the expediency that was needed to get rid of the heinous empire.

As i said, it is unfortunate that karma has still not caught up with the british.
 
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Well you were proven wrong since they did give you independence. The Quit India movement were locked up, the UK won the war and India gained independence.


For an Irish, you're quite a weasel aren't you. From declaring earlier that at the on set of WW-2, the British promised independence only to be called out by Indian members on your falsehoods and British perfidy with proper references to back up our statements, you subtly attempt to weasel in your argument that you gave us independence.

You didn't have any choice in the matter except to bolt as quickly as you could other wise you were certain time face a French Dien Bien Phu + Battle of Algiers raised to the power of 10.

You know, in that regard, I respect the British. They knew when to press home their advantage and when to quit. It's not for nothing were they known as a nation of shopkeepers. Their pragmatism shines through. OTOH, were we subjects of the Irish ( since you're so fond of alternative history) , I'm sure it'd be something similar to how French occupation of their colonies ended. There's something about the Gaelic. Pragmatism and common sense not being their strong points. I often wondered how did the Irish take 7 centuries to throw off their colonial yoke without doing so earlier yet not being subsumed under the English / Scottish. It's both credit to the obduracy of the Irish & their lack of ingenuity - both characteristics of the Irish. It took me sometime to realise that ethnic jokes while offensive and politically incorrect contain more than a grain of truth in them. Hence, Irish jokes, paddy.

To recapitulate - The British promised dominion status way back in WW-1 too to gain support from the resistance in India for it's war efforts only to back off at the end of WW-1. Ditto for WW-2. Only this time, the Indian leadership were wiser from the last experience.
You chose Hitler and Tojo to win WWII and the USSR to win the Cold War. I hope gambling is against the Hindu religion, because you guys suck at picking a winner.

We won our freedom struggle due to our own efforts and a variety of geopolitical events which worked to our advantage. When the Germans couldn't hold on to Russia & the Japanese couldn't move beyond Eastern & Northern China, what makes you think they could conquer India and keep it subjugated. Incidentally, both the US under FDR & the USSR under Stalin were opposed to colonialism.

As I remarked earlier, history, geopolitics, strategy isn't as simple as math. 2+2 can have different outcomes in these subjects as opposed to math. I understand you would be bewildered by it. But given your lineage, it comes as no surprise to us, where as your constant probing, bewildered as you, is understandable. We'd treat you as a special child from now on. Not that there's much difference between special children & Irish, as far as I know. But that's only as far as I know.

The alliance with the USSR served us well.Particularly in 1971 in the war which led to the birth of Bangladesh. Read up on Indo USSR relationship.

Gambling is considered a social evil but not a vice unlike the Abrahamic cult you follow. You see, eternal damnation is a semitic concept. Hell & Heaven too. We always reincarnate. Hell, there's a way out of that too. No, it doesn't involve salvation thru JC. I know this would surprise you.You need to read up more on Hindu eschatology and Hindu society apart from Hindu religion.
 
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For an Irish, you're quite a weasel aren't you. From declaring earlier that at the on set of WW-2, the British promised independence only to be called out by Indian members on your falsehoods and British perfidy with proper references to back up our statements, you subtly attempt to weasel in your argument that you gave us independence.

You didn't have any choice in the matter except to bolt as quickly as you could other wise you were certain time face a French Dien Bien Phu + Battle of Algiers raised to the power of 10.

You know, in that regard, I respect the British. They knew when to press home their advantage and when to quit. It's not for nothing were they known as a nation of shopkeepers. Their pragmatism shines through. OTOH, were we subjects of the Irish ( since you're so fond of alternative history) , I'm sure it'd be something similar to how French occupation of their colonies ended. There's something about the Gaelic. Pragmatism and common sense not being their strong points. I often wondered how did the Irish take 7 centuries to throw off their colonial yoke without doing so earlier yet not being subsumed under the English / Scottish. It's both credit to the obduracy of the Irish & their lack of ingenuity - both characteristics of the Irish. It took me sometime to realise that ethnic jokes while offensive and politically incorrect contain more than a grain of truth in them. Hence, Irish jokes, paddy.

To recapitulate - The British promised dominion status way back in WW-1 too to gain support from the resistance in India for it's war efforts only to back off at the end of WW-1. Ditto for WW-2. Only this time, the Indian leadership were wiser from the last experience.


We won our freedom struggle due to our own efforts and a variety of geopolitical events which worked to our advantage. When the Germans couldn't hold on to Russia & the Japanese couldn't move beyond Eastern & Northern China, what makes you think they could conquer India and keep it subjugated. Incidentally, both the US under FDR & the USSR under Stalin were opposed to colonialism.

As I remarked earlier, history, geopolitics, strategy isn't as simple as math. 2+2 can have different outcomes in these subjects as opposed to math. I understand you would be bewildered by it. But given your lineage, it comes as no surprise to us, where as your constant probing, bewildered as you, is understandable. We'd treat you as a special child from now on. Not that there's much difference between special children & Irish, as far as I know. But that's only as far as I know.

The alliance with the USSR served us well.Particularly in 1971 in the war which led to the birth of Bangladesh. Read up on Indo USSR relationship.

Gambling is considered a social evil but not a vice unlike the Abrahamic cult you follow. You see, eternal damnation is a semitic concept. Hell & Heaven too. We always reincarnate. Hell, there's a way out of that too. No, it doesn't involve salvation thru JC. I know this would surprise you.You need to read up more on Hindu eschatology and Hindu society apart from Hindu religion.

We threw the pirates out. Armed Pushback. There is no need to say Freedom Struggle which in my view indirectly officialises british govt rule. .
 
You do know that but refuse to admit it. 'Hellbent' - I see no evidence of that. You'll find that the Japanese killed far more Chinese alone. And millions of the 'poorest of the poorest' still die from malnutrition in India even in peace time right now.

It clearly wasn't a 'forced necessity' though, since the plot failed, Hitler and Tojo lost and the UK still gave you independence.

You history lessons are worse than those of the Soviet Union pre-1987.

The British created Gandhi-Nehru-Congress nexus recruited some fools from my country to fight in European War 1 also using same pretext of "Independance promised by British", well we were still fighting the British occupation after EW1, so that shows how much the British are about keeping words and their intentions. On a side note, the British also came to the Indian subcontinent saying they just wanted to trade. So much for noble intentions.
 
The British created Gandhi-Nehru-Congress nexus recruited some fools from my country to fight in European War 1 also using same pretext of "Independance promised by British", well we were still fighting the British occupation after EW1, so that shows how much the British are about keeping words and their intentions. On a side note, the British also came to the Indian subcontinent saying they just wanted to trade. So much for noble intentions.
Oddly enough they did go to India just to trade, but the Indians were a rowdy lot but really bad at fighting. The result was that they'd taken over most of the country before they'd even realised it.
 
For an Irish, you're quite a weasel aren't you. From declaring earlier that at the on set of WW-2, the British promised independence only to be called out by Indian members on your falsehoods and British perfidy with proper references to back up our statements, you subtly attempt to weasel in your argument that you gave us independence.

You didn't have any choice in the matter except to bolt as quickly as you could other wise you were certain time face a French Dien Bien Phu + Battle of Algiers raised to the power of 10.

You know, in that regard, I respect the British. They knew when to press home their advantage and when to quit. It's not for nothing were they known as a nation of shopkeepers. Their pragmatism shines through. OTOH, were we subjects of the Irish ( since you're so fond of alternative history) , I'm sure it'd be something similar to how French occupation of their colonies ended. There's something about the Gaelic. Pragmatism and common sense not being their strong points. I often wondered how did the Irish take 7 centuries to throw off their colonial yoke without doing so earlier yet not being subsumed under the English / Scottish. It's both credit to the obduracy of the Irish & their lack of ingenuity - both characteristics of the Irish. It took me sometime to realise that ethnic jokes while offensive and politically incorrect contain more than a grain of truth in them. Hence, Irish jokes, paddy.

To recapitulate - The British promised dominion status way back in WW-1 too to gain support from the resistance in India for it's war efforts only to back off at the end of WW-1. Ditto for WW-2. Only this time, the Indian leadership were wiser from the last experience.


We won our freedom struggle due to our own efforts and a variety of geopolitical events which worked to our advantage. When the Germans couldn't hold on to Russia & the Japanese couldn't move beyond Eastern & Northern China, what makes you think they could conquer India and keep it subjugated. Incidentally, both the US under FDR & the USSR under Stalin were opposed to colonialism.

As I remarked earlier, history, geopolitics, strategy isn't as simple as math. 2+2 can have different outcomes in these subjects as opposed to math. I understand you would be bewildered by it. But given your lineage, it comes as no surprise to us, where as your constant probing, bewildered as you, is understandable. We'd treat you as a special child from now on. Not that there's much difference between special children & Irish, as far as I know. But that's only as far as I know.

The alliance with the USSR served us well.Particularly in 1971 in the war which led to the birth of Bangladesh. Read up on Indo USSR relationship.

Gambling is considered a social evil but not a vice unlike the Abrahamic cult you follow. You see, eternal damnation is a semitic concept. Hell & Heaven too. We always reincarnate. Hell, there's a way out of that too. No, it doesn't involve salvation thru JC. I know this would surprise you.You need to read up more on Hindu eschatology and Hindu society apart from Hindu religion.
Nothing of the sort really. You made the wrong choice at every turn and got independence due to no achievement of your own. Following independence you have run a diabolically poor economy, which has performed far worse than that of neighbouring communist China in terms of GDP/Capita, malnutrition and poverty. In fact the only reason you focus on Britain so much is that underneath all your fakery of history and criticism of Britain, you know they would have done a far better job of running your economy in the late 20th century. Your economy performed worse than China's before 1751 and worse after 1947 but better in between. The facts are irrefutable.

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It's just a silly case of paradigm blindness in your case, in the zeal to flutter your pom poms for the empire, you use the worst of false equivalencies to justify brutal, intentional and well designed atrocities of the British on Indian population, and thus do not recognize the expediency that was needed to get rid of the heinous empire.

As i said, it is unfortunate that karma has still not caught up with the british.
More people die of malnutrition in India every year today than during the Bengal Famine of WWII. Fact.

Karma has been slow in catching up with Britain but incompetence caught up with India very quickly. Funny that.:ROFLMAO:
 
Nothing of the sort really. You made the wrong choice at every turn and got independence due to no achievement of your own. Following independence you have run a diabolically poor economy, which has performed far worse than that of neighbouring communist China in terms of GDP/Capita, malnutrition and poverty. In fact the only reason you focus on Britain so much is that underneath all your fakery of history and criticism of Britain, you know they would have done a far better job of running your economy in the late 20th century. Your economy performed worse than China's before 1751 and worse after 1947 but better in between. The facts are irrefutable.

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So, you choose to post a graph during the period where practically the whole of India minus what's Pakistan was under British rule out here & compare it to what we were vis a vis China, whereas China was yet to fight its first opium war with Britain ( widely considered by the Chinese to commemce their century of humiliation) to buttress your argument on how they were better than us & we did better than them courtesy the British under whose rule we were during this time period.

Why didn't you post a piece on how the Russians transformed themselves when they were under the Czar to what they accomplished under the communists, in the time they were ruled by them. You'd have a fair idea on the efficiencies of a command economy and also why were the Chinese wiser than the Soviets after initial disasters while implementing their version of the command economy, by encouraging pvt enterprise and landholding & avoiding the pitfalls the Soviets couldn't.

To conclude, you really ought to post your arguments in favour of the BE in an Irish forum ( I'm sure they'd appreciate just how much they owe a debt of gratitude to the British) or even historum.
 
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Btw Paddy, didn't you create a thread claiming that this one here is exclusively for Brexit and that all extraneous topics like the wretched Brits & the execrable Raj ought to be posted in some other thread only for you to break your own rule. I understand that you feel troubled the more you learn of the Raj & it's disastrous effects on India, so much so that you seek constant validation to underpin what you've learnt and have been taught all your your life about the many splendid benefits the Raj brought upon the natives, from the descendants of those very natives in a native forum. Alas! It isn't going to happen.

Refer to what Rudyard Kipling had to say about the east and west.

Time for O'Donnel, Paddy and swigging away at those bottles of Guinness and those ridiculous songs you hear on the jukebox there to inflict upon us later . Run along now.
 
I thought this thread was about Brexit?

Besides, statistics from China are to be taken with this:
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More people die of malnutrition in India every year today than during the Bengal Famine of WWII. Fact.

Karma has been slow in catching up with Britain but incompetence caught up with India very quickly. Funny that.:ROFLMAO:
Sure its funny, Global Hunger Index - Wikipedia all nations in the list have imperial subjugation as a common factor.
 
Well you were proven wrong since they did give you independence. The Quit India movement were locked up, the UK won the war and India gained independence.

You chose Hitler and Tojo to win WWII and the USSR to win the Cold War. I hope gambling is against the Hindu religion, because you guys suck at picking a winner.

Churchill promising freedom to India and praising Gandhi. Obviously gandhi launched quit India and got Britain to quit India.

 
Churchill promising freedom to India and praising Gandhi. Obviously gandhi launched quit India and got Britain to quit India.

Only if you twist the narrative to suit your story. Bose supported Hitler and Tojo - fact, they lost - fact, and Tojo would have happily colonised and brutalised India for many centuries - fact. Fortunately for India, Tojo lost - fact. Hence Bose was an idiot. Hence your history teachers are also idiots. I'm now beginning to realise that you're actually just a large, democratic version of North Korea. Similar GDP/Capita, similar malnutrition and hunger issues, similar falsification and misinterpretation of history.
 
Sure its funny, Global Hunger Index - Wikipedia all nations in the list have imperial subjugation as a common factor.
Nope, the common factor is incompetence. The US was under imperial subjugation, so was Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Republic of Ireland, Guyana, South Africa etc. Zimbabwe was not on that list either until Mugabe added them through his stupidity. Yes, incompetence is the common factor.
 
Only if you twist the narrative to suit your story. Bose supported Hitler and Tojo - fact, they lost - fact, and Tojo would have happily colonised and brutalised India for many centuries - fact. Fortunately for India, Tojo lost - fact. Hence Bose was an idiot. Hence your history teachers are also idiots. I'm now beginning to realise that you're actually just a large, democratic version of North Korea. Similar GDP/Capita, similar malnutrition and hunger issues, similar falsification and misinterpretation of history.

@Milspec ; @nair ; @Ashwin ; @Arvind

In the name of FoE, are we expected to put up with such low quality posts which insult our collective intelligence not to mention the sheer dishonesty inherent in these posts or isn't this what trolling is all or being off topic considering the topic of the thread.
 
Only if you twist the narrative to suit your story. Bose supported Hitler and Tojo - fact, they lost - fact, and Tojo would have happily colonised and brutalised India for many centuries - fact. Fortunately for India, Tojo lost - fact. Hence Bose was an idiot. Hence your history teachers are also idiots. I'm now beginning to realise that you're actually just a large, democratic version of North Korea. Similar GDP/Capita, similar malnutrition and hunger issues, similar falsification and misinterpretation of history.

Bose was booted out of congress and politically exiled by Gandhi himself. I have no idea what you intend to do by bringing his name into the picture
 
@Milspec ; @nair ; @Ashwin ; @Arvind

In the name of FoE, are we expected to put up with such low quality posts which insult our collective intelligence not to mention the sheer dishonesty inherent in these posts or isn't this what trolling is all or being off topic considering the topic of the thread.
None of this was ever on-topic in the first place. Here is the first off-topic post, which I've already reported:
Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

I have suggested that a separate thread be created for GOI-sponsored Alternative World History. And in there people can talk about how Hitler and Tojo were the good guys and freed India and how 19th and early 20th century British climate control technology was used to engineer famines in India all they like. And also how imperial subjugation is the reason why China has massively out-performed India from 1947-2019 and hunger and malnutrition deaths still persist in India. It is indeed Britain that is to blame for why Chinese state trolls can actually use India as an example of why dictatorships are best for countries with 1+bn populations.
 
None of this was ever on-topic in the first place. Here is the first off-topic post, which I've already reported:
Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions

I have suggested that a separate thread be created for GOI-sponsored Alternative World History. And in there people can talk about how Hitler and Tojo were the good guys and freed India and how 19th and early 20th century British climate control technology was used to engineer famines in India all they like. And also how imperial subjugation is the reason why China has massively out-performed India from 1947-2019 and hunger and malnutrition deaths still persist in India. It is indeed Britain that is to blame for why Chinese state trolls can actually use India as an example of why dictatorships are best for countries with 1+bn populations.

It’s all on topic. They all refer to the idea that Britain is a lame country that talks a lot.