That applies going forward, not in the case of repeals and still means that 12 of 28 members can end up being shafted with a really crap deal. It also only applied from Nov 2014.
Brexit and Future of UK : Discussions
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But this can be a net negative for India. f the economy of UK suffers then there might be a reduction of wages. Then UK might become a low cost production hub for export and we will end up losing exports because they have high quality and low cost.
Dude, our wages would need to fall a long way before they're lower than in India. To be precise, it would need to fall from $12 to $0.30.
Now that's it Brexit time and you aren't getting a sweetheart deal , it's good bye dysfunctional NHS. It's just the beginning.
Of course , we in RoI & RoI are laughing our arses off . That's Republic of Ireland & Republic of India . Hurrah for de Valera. He chose the right abbreviations .Wasn't he of Basque ancestry ?
Ye we can tell. People in the UK are shitting themselves with a potential no deal in sight. Stockpiling baked beans and toilet paper with the prospect of food rationing - an experience last encountered in the 2nd world war. Ye you can tell your certainly not walking into the unknown
Brexit provides the perfect ingredients for a national food crisis
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Scraping the barrel to find an ally ?
No real surprise Italy’s far right support a hard Brexit, they don’t care that it will wreck Britain for decades to come and send millions of ordinary Brits sinking into poverty, just as long as they push the racist populist agenda, in the same way that the hate preachers of Britain’s far right, (the EDL, Britain First, National Action, etc, etc, etc) support Brexit or that Russia supports Brexit, none of these have ordinary British people’s best interests at heart.
All these parties who get called 'far right' aren't far right. JFC, anyone who wishes to control immigration in any way whatsoever gets called 'far right' these days. Even Obama deported people. It isn't just about immigration though, it's about the laws governing this country being made by people elected by this country (and only this country) who are accountable to the people of this country.
The problem is he is attempting to knock the sub continent yet again.
The Brits are a nation of lazy, do little and cry for more. A nation of self entitlement and lard arses that expect to be pandered. Those days have been long left behind. Now an attempt has been made by the far right and racist *censored*s to gain this lost ground. Why the frig should the EU bend over backwards for a bunch of retards like Liam Fox and Rees Mogg and give them a deal where they would have all the benefits of the EU without the membership? Height of stupidity
I'm telling you , however educated the Irish , deep down they're simple minded , simplistic folk. Their knowledge of something as convoluted , dynamic and perverse as politics is extremely rudimentary. To them it's all a binary . You'd do better banging your head against a wall than expect a through analysis of Brexit from him or even logical arguments.Who mentioned controlling immigration? Is that what your constantly thinking? Dreaming of a white christmas?
Alas he is becoming more and more transparent in his rants.
His type are attempting to bring the UK to its knees.
As i said previously you can take the horse to water but cant force it to drink.......
It's ok BMD, just ignore them. I will support your valiant defence of Brexit. Let us prove that the Brits have everything sorted out. Like Churchill said just before the world war began...
'we will have to rise with a martial spirit and conquer'
Of course the heathen devil @_Anonymous_ did previusly write that neither did you rise, nor conquer. And that the Japs kicked the crap out of you in Indo-China and Germans everywhere from Europe to aFRICA until the US entered the fray....but that's because of his ignorance. He is a salesman afterall.
People want a proper say on Brexit. Let them have it
Gina Miller
More and more Brits are losing faith in our government, and a new party won’t help. It’s time to demand to take control
Wed 1 Aug 2018 06.00 BSTLast modified on Wed 1 Aug 2018 08.01 BST
‘I’m bored of the jostling for position by big egos, the confused messaging, and the outdated talk of both rremainers and leavers.’ Photograph: Guy Bell/REX/Shutterstock
I’ve always subscribed to Michelle Obama’s golden rule that when your opponent goes low, you go high. I don’t think one moment that we should sink to the levels of the Brexiters – the dodgy money, the electoral lawbreaking and the lying – but I do wonder if those of us who remain deeply concerned about the consequences of Brexit are really landing all the blows that we can.
We need to, because the best interests of our country are at stake. If our generation fails to put up a proper fight, the generation that follows us will neither forgive nor forget, as theirs will be a diminished and, quite probably, dismantled United Kingdom. Leaving the EU is only the first phase of the Brexiter agenda to shake us free of the laws, rules and rights that many see as a constraint on the implementation of their frighteningly rightwing vision of Darwinian capitalism.
What is the right strategy for those of us who oppose this? I remain unconvinced that it lies in a new political party. The EU referendum in 2016 amounted to a fight between a group of well-meaning career politicians and their professional advisers, and a collection of obsessive haters of the EU prepared to do whatever it took to win. It took us a while to get our act together in the remain corner, and too often we allowed ourselves the indulgence of arguing among ourselves, becoming preoccupied with what Vince Cable memorably described as the “narcissism of small differences”.
This will only become worse if the rumours that some of the remain campaign groups are contemplating metamorphosing into political parties turn out to be true. I’m bored of the jostling for position by big egos, the confused messaging, and the outdated talk of both remainers and leavers.
Although there are some very brave politicians in Westminster – some who have risked their personal safety to stand up to claims they are traitors, simply for arguing for what they think is in Britain’s best interests – the political classes have, by and large, let us down. Two ruthless party machines have done a very good job of stopping anyone from either side of our so-called debating chamber from asking awkward questions, or standing in the way of impending chaos.
So I don’t see a new political party helping. Neither do we need a general election, where the Tories and the Labour party can only offer a choice of Brexit, Brexit and still more Brexit. I am not, I might add, about to enter the political fray myself as the leader of the Liberal Democrats, as was absurdly rumoured in the media last week (ignoring the fact that I am not even an MP).
What we do need is for Theresa May to accept that the opinion polls are showing a seismic shift in the way voters think about Brexit. A clear majority are not happy with the way it is panning out – according to one poll, 78% of the public think the government is doing a bad job of negotiating Brexit – and see that what was promised is not what is ever going to be delivered. More significantly, too, a clear majority now want the chance to have a say on the way out of this mess in a referendum.
A clean vote on the real options is the only right and democratic way forward. Three options should be put to the public: the deal Theresa May negotiates, the special deal we already have with the EU (so cannily negotiated by Margaret Thatcher), or no deal. And given that Brexit supporter Jacob Rees-Mogg has conceded it could take 50 years to see any economic benefits, 16- and 17-year-olds should be allowed to vote, as Brexit’s negative consequences will be felt for most of their adult lives.
The facts are now colliding with the soundbites and the personalities, and it is making for a bonfire of vanities. Both of our main parties face the real possibility of fracture if the people are not given the chance to have their say. We have had enough of decisions that are fundamental to our future – so many of them never even mentioned during the referendum campaign – being made without any reference to what the public thinks.
The British are a people who are generally happy, under normal circumstances, to trust politicians to tell us the truth and to leave them to run the country as we get on with our lives. But we reserve the right, always, to make it clear that they are our servants, not our masters, and, when necessary, we can and will take charge. We now wish to exercise that right with a referendum on the options facing Britain once the prime minister has negotiated her deal.
link : People want a proper say on Brexit. Let them have it | Gina Miller
Gina Miller
More and more Brits are losing faith in our government, and a new party won’t help. It’s time to demand to take control
Wed 1 Aug 2018 06.00 BSTLast modified on Wed 1 Aug 2018 08.01 BST
‘I’m bored of the jostling for position by big egos, the confused messaging, and the outdated talk of both rremainers and leavers.’ Photograph: Guy Bell/REX/Shutterstock
I’ve always subscribed to Michelle Obama’s golden rule that when your opponent goes low, you go high. I don’t think one moment that we should sink to the levels of the Brexiters – the dodgy money, the electoral lawbreaking and the lying – but I do wonder if those of us who remain deeply concerned about the consequences of Brexit are really landing all the blows that we can.
We need to, because the best interests of our country are at stake. If our generation fails to put up a proper fight, the generation that follows us will neither forgive nor forget, as theirs will be a diminished and, quite probably, dismantled United Kingdom. Leaving the EU is only the first phase of the Brexiter agenda to shake us free of the laws, rules and rights that many see as a constraint on the implementation of their frighteningly rightwing vision of Darwinian capitalism.
What is the right strategy for those of us who oppose this? I remain unconvinced that it lies in a new political party. The EU referendum in 2016 amounted to a fight between a group of well-meaning career politicians and their professional advisers, and a collection of obsessive haters of the EU prepared to do whatever it took to win. It took us a while to get our act together in the remain corner, and too often we allowed ourselves the indulgence of arguing among ourselves, becoming preoccupied with what Vince Cable memorably described as the “narcissism of small differences”.
This will only become worse if the rumours that some of the remain campaign groups are contemplating metamorphosing into political parties turn out to be true. I’m bored of the jostling for position by big egos, the confused messaging, and the outdated talk of both remainers and leavers.
Although there are some very brave politicians in Westminster – some who have risked their personal safety to stand up to claims they are traitors, simply for arguing for what they think is in Britain’s best interests – the political classes have, by and large, let us down. Two ruthless party machines have done a very good job of stopping anyone from either side of our so-called debating chamber from asking awkward questions, or standing in the way of impending chaos.
So I don’t see a new political party helping. Neither do we need a general election, where the Tories and the Labour party can only offer a choice of Brexit, Brexit and still more Brexit. I am not, I might add, about to enter the political fray myself as the leader of the Liberal Democrats, as was absurdly rumoured in the media last week (ignoring the fact that I am not even an MP).
What we do need is for Theresa May to accept that the opinion polls are showing a seismic shift in the way voters think about Brexit. A clear majority are not happy with the way it is panning out – according to one poll, 78% of the public think the government is doing a bad job of negotiating Brexit – and see that what was promised is not what is ever going to be delivered. More significantly, too, a clear majority now want the chance to have a say on the way out of this mess in a referendum.
A clean vote on the real options is the only right and democratic way forward. Three options should be put to the public: the deal Theresa May negotiates, the special deal we already have with the EU (so cannily negotiated by Margaret Thatcher), or no deal. And given that Brexit supporter Jacob Rees-Mogg has conceded it could take 50 years to see any economic benefits, 16- and 17-year-olds should be allowed to vote, as Brexit’s negative consequences will be felt for most of their adult lives.
The facts are now colliding with the soundbites and the personalities, and it is making for a bonfire of vanities. Both of our main parties face the real possibility of fracture if the people are not given the chance to have their say. We have had enough of decisions that are fundamental to our future – so many of them never even mentioned during the referendum campaign – being made without any reference to what the public thinks.
The British are a people who are generally happy, under normal circumstances, to trust politicians to tell us the truth and to leave them to run the country as we get on with our lives. But we reserve the right, always, to make it clear that they are our servants, not our masters, and, when necessary, we can and will take charge. We now wish to exercise that right with a referendum on the options facing Britain once the prime minister has negotiated her deal.
link : People want a proper say on Brexit. Let them have it | Gina Miller