Agni & Prithvi Ballistic Missiles : News & Discussions

[batman]

Dude what are you a teen? You're seriously comparing other Russian jets to F22? You think that's a fair comparison? Wow so USSR produced 10,000 Mig 15 which is as hard to produce as F22. *Slow claps*. F35s electronics engine sensors stealth coating all are more complex than Su 57 even then US produces more F35s in couple of months than Russia has produced Su 57 in 16 years.

A simple question I ask, how many Su 57 are there and how many T14 are there and you fellows have no response at all, because deep down you know how pitiful Russias defence industrial complex is right now compared to the US.

You say "sar engine not ready sar" US F135 engine has a thrust of 193 kN and still US produced thousands of it already. Al51 has lower thrust and likely less advanced metallurgy and Russia still hasn't mass produced it yet. So know Russia's level. Theres only so much one can do with an economy lower than Italy lol.

Next, you dress up your ignorance and assumptions as facts contrary to evidence. You say Russia is incapable of mass producing complex missionary whereas history clearly proves otherwise, next you incorrectly assumed I compared F22 with Mig 15 which might be a honest mistake from all the cheese in your blood from those cheap Big Mac's. If F22 was such a great jet and something most american's consider as america's best ever jet, why did America fail to produce even 200 of them? Is it because Murica is literally too poor to produce them en masse? or maybe it's because it's an outdated and overpriced junk that america chose to cut their losses after making it? Either way, it looks very bad for Murica.

Also, since it's established the F22 is junk, let's move onto the F35, that's another overpriced piece of flying tin which failed at it's design goal, the fat piece of turd after murica's so called hype of 5th gen absolutely needing supercruise then failed to deliver on it and LM conveniently removing them from it's requirement, I'm not even gonna talk about how most 4th gen jet's would smoke it in wvr combat or it's poor availability rate or cash drowining maitenance cost against design requirements or the embarrassing fact that it's stealth which was its only good talking point got shot by literal pirates and 3rd generation military with poor air defence, after murica's constant loss against countries world wide, it's pretty well understood that Murica's only capable of invading unprepared 3rd world nations with primitive weapons, not any modern militaries.

And who you trying to be racist against you fat pig, historically it's well known Russia or previously the Soviet Union almost consistently made better weapons than murica, they lost a decade due to the fall of USSR, currently they are well on track, don't even compare that outdated trash f22 which murica doesnt even want with the best 5th gen of our time, The AL51 already blows the F119 out of the water, so no point comparing it, the F135 and AL51 both have similar thrust to weight ratio while Al51 is lighter, superior compressor and turbine efficiency, better fuel efficiency, better stealth and engine's alone doesn't compare the full story and means nothing until we compare both in action in their aircraft, the Su57 can take off much faster the f35 even with it's interim engine, the su57 can accelerate much faster and has greater max speed than f35, Su57 has much greater combat radius than F35, the f35 loses out in maneuverability against regular 4th gen jets, let alone a undisputed super maneuverable king of the sky which much greater thrust to weight ratio, superior control and more advanced control surfaces, superior aerodynamic body along with 3d thrust vectoring. There is no universe where you can compare that fat turd with the Su57 in performance metric.

 

[Hyperactive ADD]

You should ignore people like @RationalGuy , contrary to their name, they are among the least rational people among the free internet, heck he is an american fanboy, how much more worse can you get honestly, he probably bases his opinion on american circle jerk reddit subs and forums where america is always great and russia always bad even though evidence have pointed to the opposite countless times but I do appreciate you taking the time to logically take apart and absolutely debunk all his ignorance, after all People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That is how they define their reality. But what is correct and true? It’s merely a vague concept... their reality may all be an illusion.

If one simply arranges current heavy weaponry in chronological order—focusing, for instance, on the systems developed after the Cold War (which the West was so keen to frame as a "Soviet defeat")—it would drive "pro-US partisans" to despair; for it turns out that it is the West, not Russia, that has stagnated.

Faced with irrefutable facts, all one can do is throw a tantrum.

For instance, regarding the surface-to-surface missiles discussed in this thread, just look at what the West has developed since the Cold War.

A faint touch of blue



Take India, for example:
when they were developing the Agni-II, the Americans had the Trident II.
Now it’s the Agni-V and K-4, yet the Americans are still using the damn FXXK Trident II.

 

[RationalGuy]

Next, you dress up your ignorance and assumptions as facts contrary to evidence. You say Russia is incapable of mass producing complex missionary whereas history clearly proves otherwise, next you incorrectly assumed I compared F22 with Mig 15 which might be a honest mistake from all the cheese in your blood from those cheap Big Mac's. If F22 was such a great jet and something most american's consider as america's best ever jet, why did America fail to produce even 200 of them? Is it because Murica is literally too poor to produce them en masse? or maybe it's because it's an outdated and overpriced junk that america chose to cut their losses after making it? Either way, it looks very bad for Murica.

Also, since it's established the F22 is junk, let's move onto the F35, that's another overpriced piece of flying tin which failed at it's design goal, the fat piece of turd after murica's so called hype of 5th gen absolutely needing supercruise then failed to deliver on it and LM conveniently removing them from it's requirement, I'm not even gonna talk about how most 4th gen jet's would smoke it in wvr combat or it's poor availability rate or cash drowining maitenance cost against design requirements or the embarrassing fact that it's stealth which was its only good talking point got shot by literal pirates and 3rd generation military with poor air defence, after murica's constant loss against countries world wide, it's pretty well understood that Murica's only capable of invading unprepared 3rd world nations with primitive weapons, not any modern militaries.

And who you trying to be racist against you fat pig, historically it's well known Russia or previously the Soviet Union almost consistently made better weapons than murica, they lost a decade due to the fall of USSR, currently they are well on track, don't even compare that outdated trash f22 which murica doesnt even want with the best 5th gen of our time, The AL51 already blows the F119 out of the water, so no point comparing it, the F135 and AL51 both have similar thrust to weight ratio while Al51 is lighter, superior compressor and turbine efficiency, better fuel efficiency, better stealth and engine's alone doesn't compare the full story and means nothing until we compare both in action in their aircraft, the Su57 can take off much faster the f35 even with it's interim engine, the su57 can accelerate much faster and has greater max speed than f35, Su57 has much greater combat radius than F35, the f35 loses out in maneuverability against regular 4th gen jets, let alone a undisputed super maneuverable king of the sky which much greater thrust to weight ratio, superior control and more advanced control surfaces, superior aerodynamic body along with 3d thrust vectoring. There is no universe where you can compare that fat turd with the Su57 in performance metric.

You mock USA for not even producing 200 F22 while Mother Russia has not even produced 20 Su 57 . I can also ask the same question, if Su 57 is such a great jet why Russia can't even reach the 50 mark lol. Perhaps you don't know how to count you retarded monkey.

Russian fanboys love to boast about mass production capability of Russia. Yes, mass production capability of USSR was superb. Russia is just a small little shadow of USSR. USSR made the first ICBM and caused panic in the west: Russia fumbles against a small country next door. Russia is undoubtedly a clown country. You boast about Su 57 which isn't even there in numbers . Same goes for the super invisible tank T14 which is missing in action since 2015.

FYI Egypt Syria all had sophisticated Soviet weapons. Why did tiny Israel crush them so decisively? Answer this 1 little question. As said earlier, its clear Soviet weapons have little inherent advantages in the battlefield, the deciding factor is military organization and culture. Same goes for why USSR armed Iraq totally failed against US but North Vietnam succeeded.


Regarding 3rd world countries at least US can defeat them, who can poor little Russia defeat? Can't even defeat f*cking Ukraine which is also led by a clown . US Army defeated Iraq which had the 4th largest military with Soviet weapons in just 96 hours even though Iraq was 10,000 km away. Your beloved S75 Dvinas and S100 SAMs got r*ped infront of the entire world by Tomahawk and F117 Nighthawks . Leave that can Russia even execute an operation like what US did with Venezuela? Maybe USSR could but Russia is just another regional power with a bunch of corrupt buffoons running the show . Never understood why idiot indian monkeys like you love to glaze 3rd countries so much (and this goes for people who want to side with the US blindly as well).

 

[Bon Plan]

The AL51 already blows the F119 out of the water, so no point comparing it, the F135 and AL51 both have similar thrust to weight ratio while Al51 is lighter, superior compressor and turbine efficiency, better fuel efficiency, better stealth

1) F119 is running since 25 years, where AL51 is not serially produce.
2) If the 2 engines have similar T/W ratio but AL51 is lighter means AL51 thrust is lower.
3) you (and I) know nothing about the compressor tech, the turbine efficiency, the fuel consumption and the stealth of each. And once again, F119 compressor is a 25 years tech. You can be sure uncle sam made progress since. For decennials US engines were and are better than russian ones, specially on life time.

You mock USA for not even producing 200 F22 while Mother Russia has not even produced 20 Su 57 . I can also ask the same question, if Su 57 is such a great jet why Russia can't even reach the 50 mark lol. Perhaps you don't know how to count you retarded monkey.

Russian fanboys love to boast about mass production capability of Russia. Yes, mass production capability of USSR was superb. Russia is just a small little shadow of USSR. USSR made the first ICBM and caused panic in the west: Russia fumbles against a small country next door. Russia is undoubtedly a clown country. You boast about Su 57 which isn't even there in numbers . Same goes for the super invisible tank T14 which is missing in action since 2015.

FYI Egypt Syria all had sophisticated Soviet weapons. Why did tiny Israel crush them so decisively? Answer this 1 little question. As said earlier, its clear Soviet weapons have little inherent advantages in the battlefield, the deciding factor is military organization and culture. Same goes for why USSR armed Iraq totally failed against US but North Vietnam succeeded.


Regarding 3rd world countries at least US can defeat them, who can poor little Russia defeat? Can't even defeat f*cking Ukraine which is also led by a clown . US Army defeated Iraq which had the 4th largest military with Soviet weapons in just 96 hours even though Iraq was 10,000 km away. Your beloved S75 Dvinas and S100 SAMs got r*ped infront of the entire world by Tomahawk and F117 Nighthawks . Leave that can Russia even execute an operation like what US did with Venezuela? Maybe USSR could but Russia is just another regional power with a bunch of corrupt buffoons running the show . Never understood why idiot indian monkeys like you love to glaze 3rd countries so much (and this goes for people who want to side with the US blindly as well).

Su57 is so potent that uncle Vlad don't want to use it over Ukraine.

 

[RationalGuy]

Next, you dress up your ignorance and assumptions as facts contrary to evidence. You say Russia is incapable of mass producing complex missionary whereas history clearly proves otherwise, next you incorrectly assumed I compared F22 with Mig 15 which might be a honest mistake from all the cheese in your blood from those cheap Big Mac's. If F22 was such a great jet and something most american's consider as america's best ever jet, why did America fail to produce even 200 of them? Is it because Murica is literally too poor to produce them en masse? or maybe it's because it's an outdated and overpriced junk that america chose to cut their losses after making it? Either way, it looks very bad for Murica.

Also, since it's established the F22 is junk, let's move onto the F35, that's another overpriced piece of flying tin which failed at it's design goal, the fat piece of turd after murica's so called hype of 5th gen absolutely needing supercruise then failed to deliver on it and LM conveniently removing them from it's requirement, I'm not even gonna talk about how most 4th gen jet's would smoke it in wvr combat or it's poor availability rate or cash drowining maitenance cost against design requirements or the embarrassing fact that it's stealth which was its only good talking point got shot by literal pirates and 3rd generation military with poor air defence, after murica's constant loss against countries world wide, it's pretty well understood that Murica's only capable of invading unprepared 3rd world nations with primitive weapons, not any modern militaries.

And who you trying to be racist against you fat pig, historically it's well known Russia or previously the Soviet Union almost consistently made better weapons than murica, they lost a decade due to the fall of USSR, currently they are well on track, don't even compare that outdated trash f22 which murica doesnt even want with the best 5th gen of our time, The AL51 already blows the F119 out of the water, so no point comparing it, the F135 and AL51 both have similar thrust to weight ratio while Al51 is lighter, superior compressor and turbine efficiency, better fuel efficiency, better stealth and engine's alone doesn't compare the full story and means nothing until we compare both in action in their aircraft, the Su57 can take off much faster the f35 even with it's interim engine, the su57 can accelerate much faster and has greater max speed than f35, Su57 has much greater combat radius than F35, the f35 loses out in maneuverability against regular 4th gen jets, let alone a undisputed super maneuverable king of the sky which much greater thrust to weight ratio, superior control and more advanced control surfaces, superior aerodynamic body along with 3d thrust vectoring. There is no universe where you can compare that fat turd with the Su57 in performance metric.

Btw SR71 was such an amazing aircraft Soviet SAMs despite being formidable never managed to down even 1 SR71 for decades (not to mention SR71 is 1960s US technology ) and US built like less than 15 of them. So the conclusion according to your dumb logic is SR71 is an inferior aircraft because US didn't mass produce them .

Russia is too poor to even produce 100 Su 57, they have to run to us to fund it. How sad.

 

[RationalGuy]

1) F119 is running since 25 years, where AL51 is not serially produce.
2) If the 2 engines have similar T/W ratio but AL51 is lighter means AL51 thrust is lower.
3) you (and I) know nothing about the compressor tech, the turbine efficiency, the fuel consumption and the stealth of each. And once again, F119 compressor is a 25 years tech. You can be sure uncle sam made progress since. For decennials US engines were and are better than russian ones, specially on life time.

Su57 is so potent that uncle Vlad don't want to use it over Ukraine.

Russia took almost 40 years to match F119 which USA had started testing in 1980s, US has already produced hundreds of F119 while Russia has produced probably less than 20 AL51s. And these clownish monkeys boast about Russias mass production capabilities .

F22 flew 20-25 years earlier than Su 57 yet it still has superior stealth, superior speed, superior altitude and has been produced in much higher numbers. Thats called a testament to a military industrial complex. I would be surprised if Su 57 can even beat J20 in BVR combat lol. These idiots boast about WVR performance and don't know that BVR is now the deciding factor of air supremacy as shown in Op Sindoor.

But some would rather ranting endlessly like demented pigs than come to terms with the fact that Su 57 and T14 production is so pitiful which is a reflection of the inferior industrial and economic capabilities that Russia has since the collapse of USSR.