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Salala was an unfortunate incident but I think Americans didn't respond to us in aggressive way after abbotabad.details of seal operation is not well known as well.

Salala was US giving a message to Pak Army

They kept firing for 2 hours till they were sure that all Pak Army soldiers on that post
Had died
 
Junagarh had a rebellion by population and they did not want to join Pakistan. There was no stand still agreement with Junagrh. When the forces of Nawab of Junagarh started killing the protestors, Patel threatened him with military action to save Hindus. He fled to Pakistan leaving his family behind but took his dogs along. We wanted Hyderabad as it was surrounded from all sides by India but we did not ask the Nizam to let loose his forces on our citizens and try and massacre Hindus.

So what is the point? My question is why always bigger country annex more land and small country can't? Kashmir is opposite of junagadh.we have Muslim population in Kashmir so according to rule,it should join Pakistan but you decided otherwise just because you are big country.i think partition is the main reason of no trust between two countries.
 
Actually we never forget Bangladesh and this hostility is all because of bangladesh.you are the first indian member here who is accepting indian role in Sindh,fata,Balochistan,kpk etc.i like your courage.
It seems Pakistan has forgotten Bangladesh. You should never have. Why I say this is, even after getting royally screwed by Indian army in 1971 you people started fingering India in Punjab and then in Kashmir, and now again trying to finger in Punjab through proxies in Canada and England.
Yeh UNGLI Pakistaniyon Ko Bahut Bhari padegi.
It takes 2 to Tango. You have taken steps (Kashmir, Punjab), we do ours (Sindh, Gilgit-Baltistan, pok, fata). India being strong economically and militarily will be able to hold on to its land I.E Punjab and Kashmir. We used tricks and resources to help attain freedom for Bangladesh and will again use same to help attain freedom for Sindh, Gilgit-Baltistan, pok, fata, thereby annihilating Pakistan forever.

Humne pehle ungli nahi ki. Nehru never did anything to harm Pakistan but Pakistan did everything to harm India. Now don't complain when India plays same game and returning favors in disappropriate quantities. Pakistan tasted Mumbai Taj Mahal hotel style terrorist attack too. Modi government means business.
So rest assured Pakistan will get back much more than it gave/is giving to India.😉
 
So what is the point? My question is why always bigger country annex more land and small country can't? Kashmir is opposite of junagadh.we have Muslim population in Kashmir so according to rule,it should join Pakistan but you decided otherwise just because you are big country.
The India Indepndence Act did not allow population to chose which side to go but allowed the kings to decide. And who told you J&K was Muslim Majority? It had Hindu majority when you include Jammu and other regions of J&K State. Moreover the population you wanted to join you actually fought against the invaders. so you have no logic in your argument.
 
And you guys forced Kalat which wanted to stay independent. Get over it. Neither state was going to let independent entities alone inside its borders. You tried to snatch Kashmir and failed in 48. Since then you have tried the nasty in 65, 99 and the slimy since the late 80s but to no gain.

Open your eyes. Pakistan CANNOT take Kashmir by force. India CANNOT make any further concessions on Kashmir. If you punks were smart you would have taken Vajpayee's offer in 99 instead you put a dagger in his back. Now after 2001, 2008, Kaluchak, Pulwama, there can be no softening on the Indian side.

For all your bluster we all know your Oil reserves situation. Pakistan cannot even launch a limited war now. So come off your high horse and give up on your pipe dreams. If you can do that - maybe we can even be real friends!
Nawab of Kalat on behalf of all Baloch tribes had sent a signed Instrument of Accession to India to Nehru and our Nehru decided not to accept it.
 
And you guys forced Kalat which wanted to stay independent. Get over it. Neither state was going to let independent entities alone inside its borders. You tried to snatch Kashmir and failed in 48. Since then you have tried the nasty in 65, 99 and the slimy since the late 80s but to no gain.

Open your eyes. Pakistan CANNOT take Kashmir by force. India CANNOT make any further concessions on Kashmir. If you punks were smart you would have taken Vajpayee's offer in 99 instead you put a dagger in his back. Now after 2001, 2008, Kaluchak, Pulwama, there can be no softening on the Indian side.

For all your bluster we all know your Oil reserves situation. Pakistan cannot even launch a limited war now. So come off your high horse and give up on your pipe dreams. If you can do that - maybe we can even be real friends!

All in all,wrong partition in which bigger country has more rights than smaller country.
 
I hope so, we are firmly in attack-react cycle now whatever happened to "offensive defence" where cost to export terror to be increased beyond affordability of Pakistan?

Doval saab has been NSA for full 5 years now, wields more power and authority than RM, HM, MEA combined, now even given cabinet rank how many more years are needed for that strategy to work?

I hope I am not branded anti national for asking this.
Cold War between USSR and USA lasted for decades. Only reason USA won was they never gave up and surrendered to any peace or disarmament lobby. You are not even giving more than 5 years to dowal ?
 
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Cold War between USSR and USA lasted for decades. Only reason USA won was they never gave up and surrendered to any peace or disarmament lobby. You are not even giving more than 5 years to dowal ?

Recently There was a book by Christine Fair
About Pak Army

According to her , Pakistan Will NEVER stop
Needling India

Because for them , Every effort to hurt India
Is itself a Success and Victory

Pakistan does NOT care for any result

They just have to and Want to Hurt India
 
Recently There was a book by Christine Fair
About Pak Army

According to her , Pakistan Will NEVER stop
Needling India

Because for them , Every effort to hurt India
Is itself a Success and Victory

Pakistan does NOT care for any result

They just have to and Want to Hurt India
I have bought the book but haven’t read. But I know what all it contains. For Pakistan defeat is not losing the war but stop competing and fighting. The day they stop fighting would be the day they could loose.
But this I think comes from their misplaced belief of been successors of Gori n Mir Kasim who lost many battles to Prithviraj and King Dahir of Sindh. But finally they won. Pakistan think they would one day will beat India in a war.
 
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According to her , Pakistan Will NEVER stop
Needling India

Because for them , Every effort to hurt India
Is itself a Success and Victory

Pakistan does NOT care for any result

They just have to and Want to Hurt India
Perfectly said, summarized the debate.

We feel happy in killing pawns forgetting they come to die only, it's a victory for them, so you kill 150 or 300 in Balakot nothing will change as long as people indoctrinating them are alive and with grace of God we never target them.
 
It is like saying that whatever you did in the past is right and whatever we are doing is wrong.this is not a good logic.jehadis and rape of women are just excuses.you wanted Hyderabad,you wanted junagadh.
You are right... We wanted Hyderabad.. because India could not allow another country within itself.. (Hyderabad was surrounded on all sides by India )
 
All in all,wrong partition in which bigger country has more rights than smaller country.

Ok since you are being all whiny I will sit down and explain it to you ONCE. So try to keep up

Which country to join - Populations did NOT decide. Rulers did.
Junagadh - Pakistan could have moved in and taken Junagadh. It waited for the situation to boil because it wanted a precedent for India to explot later in Kashmir. When you act in bad faith dont crib about it.

Hyderabad - Nizam wanted to stay independent and play off one side against the other. We told him no and he did not want to listen so we moved him out. Same thing you did in Kalat so again - dont crib about it.

Small country has got a very good deal in Partition - You got a sizeable area of Punjab and Bengal which are highly fertile areas more than enough to feed your country. You further got exclusive rights on the 3 rivers in the IWT. India paid you a good deal of money and also gave you a chunk of the Army's equipment. Still want more? Tough luck sweetie aint gonna happen
 
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