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Read it, here some data news wise and then some data as per REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANE during tenders
see the range they give as minimums ?
No need to cross over ?

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When you're collecting intelligence, you can do so at long range. But when you are jamming, you want to get as close as possible.

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How long you have been following India Pakistan conflict

This is the First time in 20 years , ever since
I have been following Pakistan ie since Kargil , that they have been so humble and desperate for Peace

Do you Really think that loosing 300 Terrorists and One F 16 will make them So KEEN for peace

Or is it that the Losses suffered by them are Really Hurting them

Rouge States Like Pakistan do not change
Character overnight

Earlier they used to show the Finger to the US , regarding Taliban and Afghanistan

When US put them on FATF and denied Soft loans from IMF , they are Actively supporting peace talks between US and Taliban

People can say anything about Baba
But I am only looking at Pakistan' s desperation for de escalation


Sir, what you are saying maybe is true. To change the behaviour of PA we must attack them overtly. Our covert actions won’t bring any changes that we expect from a rough nation! Humiliate them publicly. show the people of Pakistan how we are killing their men everyday at the border. take strict actions against terrorists in Pakistan. this will bring the changes that we want! Not responding(overtly) to the misadventure of PAF will only encourage them!
 
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How long you have been following India Pakistan conflict

This is the First time in 20 years , ever since
I have been following Pakistan ie since Kargil , that they have been so humble and desperate for Peace
If you were actually following them then you would known it's standard operating procedure in Pakistan. After every attack when international pressure rise they talk peace. After Mumbai they were ready to send their ISI Chief India as we asked and of course after few days they backtracked.

Forgot the famous ISI investigation for Pathankot attack for peace in region? Or that Agra Summit? Ufa Summit? That all happened in past 20 years right? Or are we following two different Pakistans!

5 martyred yesterday in terrorist attcak, IED found every other day that all shows extreme desperation for peace right? This movie has been played so many times that everyone knows the outcome, it has become joke but interestingly you can find desperation for peace in it! More so when DG ISPR most clearly in no ambiguity said that they won't change.

Last Two Months , I have Not heard a WORD
About Kashmir
Missed this? 10 days old.

Kashmiris must be given right to self-determination: Pak PM Imran Khan at OIC summit | Greater Kashmir

We have Done more in the Last 3 and Half Months than As compared to the Previous 30 years
and you claim to follow Pakistan from 20 years!

Yes. It's because even if they know they are being jammed, they wouldn't be able to figure out where exactly it's coming from.
Enemy Radar waves don't reflect back from EW aircraft?! Or we jam every single radar in Pakistan and make them inoperational?
 
Agreed, but that day the claim was NTRO flew in to validate cell data not to jam

"Started surveillance" can mean anything.

Also, I think you have confused with something else. The clip you are referring to is in reference to the Balakot strikes.

What Falcon said is something flew into Pakistani air space during the dog fight. So we had more than just the Mig-21 inside Pak airspace when the F-16 went down.
 
"Started surveillance" can mean anything.

Also, I think you have confused with something else. The clip you are referring to is in reference to the Balakot strikes.

What Falcon said is something flew into Pakistani air space during the dog fight. So we had more than just the Mig-21 inside Pak airspace when the F-16 went down.
So we had an ELINT AC inside Pakistani airspace during the dog fight but not enough FA undertaking CAP. I really hope you keep a lid on this as this makes the IAF look even more foolish, immature, unprofessional & full of post Gaganshakti hubris.
 
Enemy Radar waves don't reflect back from EW aircraft?!

They do of course.

But only if the enemy is capable of recognising their own signals from within all the jamming. It's kinda like trying to listen to two or more songs at once.

Or we jam every single radar in Pakistan and make them inoperational?

Specialised jamming aircraft are capable of that. But you need many aircraft to jam "all" of Pakistan's radars.
 
"Started surveillance" can mean anything.

Also, I think you have confused with something else. The clip you are referring to is in reference to the Balakot strikes.

What Falcon said is something flew into Pakistani air space during the dog fight. So we had more than just the Mig-21 inside Pak airspace when the F-16 went down.

During the dog fight whatever flew into their space has stayed there including the fishbed, the SIGNIT would've never made it back at that time
they flew up a plane from multan to capture more data, even the saab flew up from karachi, this might be a drone at max.
So we had an ELINT AC inside Pakistani airspace during the dog fight but not enough FA undertaking CAP. I really hope you keep a lid on this as this makes the IAF look even more foolish, immature, unprofessional & full of post Gaganshakti hubris.

Adding in reply to @randomradio

During the dog fight whatever flew into their space has stayed there including the fishbed, the SIGNIT would've never made it back at that time
they flew up a plane from multan to capture more data, even the saab flew up from karachi, this might be a drone at max if anything
We had no asset fueled and ready at either srinagar or around for that, we were not expecting it, our assets flew back PALAM was the home base for those planes
 
So we had an ELINT AC inside Pakistani airspace during the dog fight but not enough FA undertaking CAP. I really hope you keep a lid on this as this makes the IAF look even more foolish, immature, unprofessional & full of post Gaganshakti hubris.

We had enough FA in the air. 8 vs 24 is a standard defensive number actually. It's only a 3:1 ratio. It's because many of those 24 were strike packages, so they were unfit for air defence.
 
During the dog fight whatever flew into their space has stayed there including the fishbed, the SIGNIT would've never made it back at that time
they flew up a plane from multan to capture more data, even the saab flew up from karachi, this might be a drone at max.


Adding in reply to @randomradio

During the dog fight whatever flew into their space has stayed there including the fishbed, the SIGNIT would've never made it back at that time
they flew up a plane from multan to capture more data, even the saab flew up from karachi, this might be a drone at max if anything
We had no asset fueled and ready at either srinagar or around for that, we were not expecting it, our assets flew back PALAM was the home base for those planes

Yes, a Heron is also possible.
 
They do of course.

But only if the enemy is capable of recognising their own signals from within all the jamming. It's kinda like trying to listen to two or more songs at once.



Specialised jamming aircraft are capable of that. But you need many aircraft to jam "all" of Pakistan's radars.
Those radars are specially designed to avoid jamming but let's say our EW aircraft was able to jam it, how many it could have jammed/confused? There are ground stations, Air defence units, AWACS and other fighter jets (as per ISPR whole PAF was airborne) all doing one single job to track the enemy assets in air. How many of them could single EW have jammed or evaded?

It's not like Pakistan is too big a country that flying over Islamabad or Peshawar is too far from Indian border and out of range. They were monitoring and observing our flying pattern so deep that in a small window they could find little weakness they executed strike. Mig was too quick to surprise them but some EW Aircraft staying in Pakistani airspace with so high alert is nothing short of miracle.
 
Those radars are specially designed to avoid jamming but let's say our EW aircraft was able to jam it, how many it could have jammed/confused? There are ground stations, Air defence units, AWACS and other fighter jets (as per ISPR whole PAF was airborne) all doing one single job to track the enemy assets in air. How many of them could single EW have jammed or evaded?

It's not like Pakistan is too big a country that flying over Islamabad or Peshawar is too far from Indian border and out of range. They were monitoring and observing our flying pattern so deep that in a small window they could find little weakness they executed strike. Mig was too quick to surprise them but some EW Aircraft staying in Pakistani airspace with so high alert is nothing short of miracle.

You hit the nail on the head there sir


Chinese Awacs, Saab and now the PN101 ALL were airborne, its no secret PAF has more AWACS than us, add the ground and radar assets
they cant have lasted a minute ! They were monitoring way more, from the second balakot materialized they had assets up reading callsign data for their strike back, guaranteed, said it 10 times they had the VA's CS signature confirmed for the 27th strike they came in for.

They were monitoring for a long while after too each day and night, pak handles kept showing data of assets

Extra :-
Infact after they caught abhi if you remember he was trying to dispose papers ? those were exfil and cs charts a top intel priority for us
As a part of our RTI training abhi was proabably taught to slowly drop info not lie, stuff like yes im a pilot with IAF, we have jets etc etc allowing us to reassemble all our assets and data cause every min he would exchange some to live longer.
they would then use that to configure their intel searches up there
 
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