India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[panzerdad]

You need to place a bit more trust in your armed forces than that.

Something did happen on that night, enough to make them come at us
thats proof enough, maybe that crow was bajwas personal pet, but we made them rush a strike op
fuel their assets hurry up their reads on callsigns and maps, mobilize whatever local asset on ground to guide then

their rush back gave us SOOO many avenues to patch up and leaks to seal, they showed all their cards in haste

 

[randomradio]

Something did happen on that night, enough to make them come at us
thats proof enough, maybe that crow was bajwas personal pet, but we made them rush a strike op
fuel their assets hurry up their reads on callsigns and maps, mobilize whatever local asset on ground to guide then

their rush back gave us SOOO many avenues to patch up and leaks to seal, they showed all their cards in haste

They got really desperate, and then made it worse for themselves after they failed.

And we even got our pilot back.

 

[panzerdad]

They got really desperate, and then made it worse for themselves after they failed.

And we even got our pilot back.

The pilot lost the most though, i hope he gets more than sorties in a peace posting soon
Desperate for sure, but look at HOW MUCH SIGNIT we must've gathered, FL24 data had shows more than 6 diff units
imagine how much our owls got up top, they planned a hit, went full force then prepped a def put all the toys out
we sat up took grabbed all the data took all the images from sats and now have so much more than we bargained for

 

[randomradio]

The pilot lost the most though, i hope he gets more than sorties in a peace posting soon
Desperate for sure, but look at HOW MUCH SIGNIT we must've gathered, FL24 data had shows more than 6 diff units
imagine how much our owls got up top, they planned a hit, went full force then prepped a def put all the toys out
we sat up took grabbed all the data took all the images from sats and now have so much more than we bargained for

One of our resident gurus says we also had one of our SIGINT aircraft inside their borders when the engagement took place.

 

[panzerdad]

One of our resident gurus says we also had one of our SIGINT aircraft inside their borders when the engagement took place.

Not possible, there would be a home uplink that would break through jamming, that plane would drop faster than a rock
they'd shoot it down, the AD's would hunt it for all the gems it would have on board, crossing a border with all the tech on alert the day after balakot with a A50 (larger turn radius sluggish plane) E145 (fl24 data showed it hover within our regions) not happening

Our systems have an effective minimum detection of 400km, dont need to enter their airspace, ghar bhet ke jhingalala even in bad weather

grabbing their data hugging the borders YES YES YES

 

[suryakiran]

Not possible, there would be a home uplink that would break through jamming, that plane would drop faster than a rock
they'd shoot it down, the AD's would hunt it for all the gems it would have on board, crossing a border with all the tech on alert the day after balakot with a A50 (larger turn radius sluggish plane) E145 (fl24 data showed it hover within our regions) not happening

grabbing their data hugging the borders YES YES YES

You can go through this thread

Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Not possible, there would be a home uplink that would break through jamming, that plane would drop faster than a rock
they'd shoot it down, the AD's would hunt it for all the gems it would have on board, crossing a border with all the tech on alert the day after balakot with a A50 (larger turn radius sluggish plane) E145 (fl24 data showed it hover within our regions) not happening

grabbing their data hugging the borders YES YES YES

That's what I asked before, why will IAF send a plane inside Pakistan that can't defend itself even from a jet trainer and can't even run away as fast after being spotted. That's too much risk but he is a credible source, in all probability it was done.

 

[panzerdad]

That's what I asked before, why will IAF send a plane inside Pakistan that can't defend itself even from a jet trainer and can't even run away as fast after being spotted. That's too much risk but he is a credible source, in all probability it was done.

Where in the thread is this ? link me to it please ?

 

[panzerdad]

That's what I asked before, why will IAF send a plane inside Pakistan that can't defend itself even from a jet trainer and can't even run away as fast after being spotted. That's too much risk but he is a credible source, in all probability it was done.

Ages ago we had the "foxbat" fly into pak to do recon. mig25 what a beast
that did indeed fly in like a blackbird take images and get back, but this is 80-90s
think she was retired too with all the new def tech, got too risky

 

[Jaymax]

Ages ago we had the "foxbat" fly into pak to do recon. mig25 what a beast
that did indeed fly in like a blackbird take images and get back, but this is 80-90s
think she was retired too with all the new def tech, got too risky

Satellites could do the job, it was difficult to maintain and was getting old. So the Foxtbat flew into the sunset.

 

[panzerdad]

Satellites could do the job, it was difficult to maintain and was getting old. So the Foxtbat flew into the sunset.

Yeah Sats too, sorry getting rusty

 

[panzerdad]

Satellites could do the job, it was difficult to maintain and was getting old. So the Foxtbat flew into the sunset.

Also ELINT/SIGNIT wise we have a Gf100 Bombardier5000 and some boeing 707s
did they ever come up in this thread ?
last i recall the Raw retired them to the IAF

 

[Jaymax]

Also ELINT/SIGNIT wise we have a Gf100 Bombardier5000 and some boeing 707s
did they ever come up in this thread ?
last i recall the Raw retired them to the IAF

Those guys were with IAF or the Aviation Research Centre?

 

[panzerdad]

Those guys were with IAF or the Aviation Research Centre?

Retired from ARC handed over to IAF/NTRO think it was in 2015 ? Doval sahab made the push

NTRO here also connects to data collection using the planes, all the way up till DDAY, again they have ranges dont need to cross

 

[jetray]

The biggest problem with us Indians is too much of idotic behavior. Just because Pakistan has not accepted so it did not happen. Show proof. Well that is the main reason that Pakistan never announces its casulaties. Because we have tons of Idiots in out nation. Indians believe the silence of Pakistan to the briefings given by theor own armed forces. What should we call such Indians? Idiots or Pakistani?

Sir,
Sorry , its got nothing do with what pakistan says or does but how much capable we are and whether we learn from mistakes or keep repeating them. We are focusing more on pakistan less on the incident. Lets remove pakistan out of equation and see objectively how we could have done better.

If we had capability to ferret out concrete proof using satellite or humint or whatever it takes then these sort of questions would never arise.
In kargil we caught them redhanded and took right action based on facts.

Every incident that takes place is an opportunity to learn , refine and create a better system. Shooting the messenger will hardly help.

 

[jetray]

Ages ago we had the "foxbat" fly into pak to do recon. mig25 what a beast
that did indeed fly in like a blackbird take images and get back, but this is 80-90s
think she was retired too with all the new def tech, got too risky

They were retired in favor of satellites.

 

[jetray]

Yep. The next time the IAF should worry less about Pakistan's sensitivities and concentrate more on leaving a visible trail behind, if only to support online narrative.

Personally, I don't care about evidence as long as terrorists are dying on their own soil.

You are not looking at whole picture, no one cares about pakistan what they say or do. Did you ever ask the question why our hero took the bait and ended up across the border.

 

[nair]

The very existence of a forum like this is on difference of opinion..... With everyone agreeing to each other what kind of debate is possible? It is absolutely fine to have an alternate view point and debating it and coming to a conclusion......Let us not chase members away.......

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[Arsalan123]

Do you Really think that there has been NO
Military Action after Feb 27

IAF and Indian Army are Not going to sit Quietly

The Problem with "Announcement" of a Strike is that ALL your Friends like US, Europe ,OIC , Turkey and China
start Lecturing us and Start Calling our PM

Because Pakistan being the smaller country
It immediately gets Sympathy in Western
Media

The FACT that Pakistan is Begging for
De-escalation is because India has caused
A LOT of Pain

All your Arrogance has disappeared

Even during Kargil or 2002 Pakistan was Never so Desperate for De escalation

You can keep your " Honour "
And We get to Hit you As and when we like

There is no news of any action after feb27.sir nobody wants war and we should trust each other rather than blame game.i heard the news of another indian vehicle hit by a fidayeen attack.pakistan is facing so many problems right now and seriously,we don't want anyone to die in jk.problem of jk is insurgency or militancy but this is a very very big problem.i think both armies de escalated situation.i admire your passion and I really like your passion but we can't solve our problems by attacking each other.india should accept our offer of talks.we will talk about terrorism as well.we are facing terrorism in Pakistan as well and it all started from Soviet invasion of afghanistan.my country is left behind but we also want progress.i think this Kashmir issue and terrorism issue are biggest hurdles.

 

[panzerdad]

The very existence of a forum like this is on difference of opinion..... With everyone agreeing to each other what kind of debate is possible? It is absolutely fine to have an alternate view point and debating it and coming to a conclusion......Let us not chase members away.......

Forum Management

Hypocritical of my last statement on the topic but bear with me as i try to be eloquent on this.
The forum has shown great maturity and has been open to all, honestly admins are aware and you can see the
neighbor walk freely in the forum, they are respected and retorts are civil, thats admirable.

What's unfortunate is questioning credibility via citizenship, facts did not matter, wish that would stop.
The idea isnt to target someone, its only adding more to the pot, new members with fresh info and insight will keep coming as the forums attracts them, they will stir the pot and make what yesterday was intel look like a napkin drawing, its bound to happen, parameters will keep reinventing, tolerance to that with hard facts in place is much needed.

And yes calling out one sheepish baaa baaa peddler of nonsense through the forum is important as - his data which might very well be fake,
compromises other data that its linked to and drops the card stack.

Prime example - gaffe-oor claiming the su30, someone fed him horse and compromised the whole stream for them, the day that psyops account breaks we'll have an embarrassment at hand.