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$1 trillion is leaving Britain because of Brexit
London (CNN Business) Brexit hasn't happened yet but it's already shrinking the United Kingdom's financial services industry.

Banks and other financial companies have shifted at least £800 billion ($1 trillion) worth of assets out of the country and into the European Union because of Brexit, EY said in a report published Monday.

Many banks have set up new offices elsewhere in the European Union to safeguard their regional operations after Brexit, which means they also have to move substantial assets there to satisfy EU regulators. Other firms are moving assets to protect clients against market volatility and sudden changes in regulation.

The consultancy said the figure represented roughly 10% of the total assets of the UK banking sector, and was a "conservative estimate" because some banks have not yet revealed their contingency plans.

"Our numbers only reflect the moves that have been announced publicly," said Omar Ali, head of financial services at EY. "We know that behind the scenes firms are continuing to plan for a 'no deal' scenario."

EY has tracked 222 of the biggest UK financial services companies since the Brexit referendum in June 2016.

Britain is scheduled to leave the European Union in just 81 days, but Prime Minister Theresa May still needs to win support in the UK parliament for the divorce deal she struck with the rest of the European Union.

Parliament is due to vote on the deal next week. If May ultimately fails to push the agreement through, the chances of the country crashing out of the European Union without a deal will soar.

The Bank of England said the fallout from that scenario would be worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

For financial institutions, a no-deal Brexit would be a nightmare. The country's agreements with EU regulators would cease to exist and banks would find themselves in a legal vacuum, meaning they would be unable to continue doing some of their business across the bloc.

While the European Union has said it will implement some steps to avoid a complete meltdown, it said its contingency plan is only a short-term solution aimed at protecting its own interests.

"Financial services firms have no choice but to continue preparing on the basis of a 'no deal' scenario," Ali said.

EY said that the companies it tracks have already created around 2,000 new jobs elsewhere in the European Union in response to Brexit.

Deutsche Bank (DB), Goldman Sachs (GS) and Citi (C) have already moved parts of their business out of the United Kingdom. Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt and Paris were the most popular destinations.

EY said financial companies were likely to move more assets and create more jobs in other European cities over the coming weeks. "The closer we get to March 29 without a deal, the more assets will be transferred and headcount hired locally or relocated," Ali added.

London has been Europe's undisputed financial capital for decades, and is home to the international headquarters of dozens of global banks.

The financial services industry employs 2.2 million people across the country, and contributes 12.5% of GDP. It generates £72 billion ($100 billion) in tax revenue each year, according to the City of London Corporation.

The UK economy has already suffered from Brexit. Inflation spiked and consumer confidence dropped, hurting the country's retail sector. Business investment has fallen dramatically, as companies put plans on hold because of the uncertainty. Major manufacturers, including Airbus, have warned they may have to quit the United Kingdom if there's a no-deal Brexit.

German engineering group Schaeffler is closing two plants in the United Kingdom because of the uncertainty.
The latest evidence of the pain came on Monday, when the UK Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said new car registrations in the country fell 6.8% in 2018. It was the second consecutive year of declines.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/investing/brexit-banks-moving-assets/index.html
 
$1 trillion is leaving Britain because of Brexit
London (CNN Business) Brexit hasn't happened yet but it's already shrinking the United Kingdom's financial services industry.

Banks and other financial companies have shifted at least £800 billion ($1 trillion) worth of assets out of the country and into the European Union because of Brexit, EY said in a report published Monday.

Many banks have set up new offices elsewhere in the European Union to safeguard their regional operations after Brexit, which means they also have to move substantial assets there to satisfy EU regulators. Other firms are moving assets to protect clients against market volatility and sudden changes in regulation.

The consultancy said the figure represented roughly 10% of the total assets of the UK banking sector, and was a "conservative estimate" because some banks have not yet revealed their contingency plans.

"Our numbers only reflect the moves that have been announced publicly," said Omar Ali, head of financial services at EY. "We know that behind the scenes firms are continuing to plan for a 'no deal' scenario."

EY has tracked 222 of the biggest UK financial services companies since the Brexit referendum in June 2016.

Britain is scheduled to leave the European Union in just 81 days, but Prime Minister Theresa May still needs to win support in the UK parliament for the divorce deal she struck with the rest of the European Union.

Parliament is due to vote on the deal next week. If May ultimately fails to push the agreement through, the chances of the country crashing out of the European Union without a deal will soar.

The Bank of England said the fallout from that scenario would be worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

For financial institutions, a no-deal Brexit would be a nightmare. The country's agreements with EU regulators would cease to exist and banks would find themselves in a legal vacuum, meaning they would be unable to continue doing some of their business across the bloc.

While the European Union has said it will implement some steps to avoid a complete meltdown, it said its contingency plan is only a short-term solution aimed at protecting its own interests.

"Financial services firms have no choice but to continue preparing on the basis of a 'no deal' scenario," Ali said.

EY said that the companies it tracks have already created around 2,000 new jobs elsewhere in the European Union in response to Brexit.

Deutsche Bank (DB), Goldman Sachs (GS) and Citi (C) have already moved parts of their business out of the United Kingdom. Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurt and Paris were the most popular destinations.

EY said financial companies were likely to move more assets and create more jobs in other European cities over the coming weeks. "The closer we get to March 29 without a deal, the more assets will be transferred and headcount hired locally or relocated," Ali added.

London has been Europe's undisputed financial capital for decades, and is home to the international headquarters of dozens of global banks.

The financial services industry employs 2.2 million people across the country, and contributes 12.5% of GDP. It generates £72 billion ($100 billion) in tax revenue each year, according to the City of London Corporation.

The UK economy has already suffered from Brexit. Inflation spiked and consumer confidence dropped, hurting the country's retail sector. Business investment has fallen dramatically, as companies put plans on hold because of the uncertainty. Major manufacturers, including Airbus, have warned they may have to quit the United Kingdom if there's a no-deal Brexit.

German engineering group Schaeffler is closing two plants in the United Kingdom because of the uncertainty.
The latest evidence of the pain came on Monday, when the UK Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said new car registrations in the country fell 6.8% in 2018. It was the second consecutive year of declines.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/investing/brexit-banks-moving-assets/index.html
Be careful of what they mean by assets. These are banks remember, debts are classed as assets to them. Banks do not own their offices in general. HSBC for instance does not own HSBC tower in London, they rent it.

I wonder has the EU agreed how they will split the £40bn + £11bn/year among them?


I don't speak very good French but I think the yellow vests were volunteering to pay extra taxes to cover Britain's share of the EU budget weren't they?:LOL:
 
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Well, it is a despicable action. I can understand them wishing to rename them and am fine with that, but renaming them in a way that praises the Hitler and Imperial Japan just pours scorn on all the people they tortured and killed. It should also be remembered that such blind Hindu Nationalists are the very people who killed Ghandi. Perhaps the islands should have been named to honour him instead.
 
Well, it is a despicable action. I can understand them wishing to rename them and am fine with that, but renaming them in a way that praises the Hitler and Imperial Japan just pours scorn on all the people they tortured and killed. It should also be remembered that such blind Hindu Nationalists are the very people who killed Ghandi. Perhaps the islands should have been named to honour him instead.

But considering genocide perpetrator Churchill as a national hero or taking pride in your criminal empire is perfectly okay right ?

No one praised Hitler you dimwitt. Subash Chandra Bose was an Indian freedom fighter who collaborated with the Japanese to free India from your kind.

And he was an Indian nationalist, not a Hindu nationalist. And Nathuram Godse wasn't an active member of any Hindu nationalist party when he shot Gandhi.

You should perhaps get the *censored* out of this forum as well as most Indians (including the ones on this forum) respect & revere SCB.

Btw I love to see how Anglo-Saxons, the British in particular proudly showcase their ignorance. Is it some cultural trait ?
 
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But considering genocide perpetrator Churchill as a national hero or taking pride in your criminal empire is perfectly okay right ?

No one praised Hitler you dimwitt. Subash Chandra Bose was an Indian freedom fighter who collaborated with the Japanese to free India from your kind.

And he was an Indian nationalist, not a Hindu nationalist. And Nathuram Godse wasn't an active member of any Hindu nationalist party when he shot Gandhi.

You should perhaps get the *censored* out of this forum as well as most Indians (including the ones on this forum) respect & revere SCB.

Btw I love to see how Anglo-Saxons, the British in particular proudly showcase their ignorance. Is it some cultural trait ?
They collaborated with Hitler, who would have gladly killed them if the allies had been defeated. It's a bit like Jews naming something after people from the Association of German National Jews.

Your title says Hindu Nationalist.

Errr...
Nathuram Godse - Wikipedia

Like I said, I can understand the renaming of the island but surely you can find a better Indian hero to name them after than this piece of shit. Have you forgotten all the Indians who died fighting Hitler and Imperial Japan too?
 
They collaborated with Hitler, who would have gladly killed them if the allies had been defeated. It's a bit like Jews naming something after people from the Association of German National Jews.

Your title says Hindu Nationalist.

Errr...
Nathuram Godse - Wikipedia

Like I said, I can understand the renaming of the island but surely you can find a better Indian hero to name them after than this piece of shit. Have you forgotten all the Indians who died fighting Hitler and Imperial Japan too?

Why don't you stop worrying about our internal matters .and worry about genocidal maniacs that your country consider hero.

Bose is hero in India
 
Like I said, I can understand the renaming of the island but surely you can find a better Indian hero to name them after than this piece of shit. Have you forgotten all the Indians who died fighting Hitler and Imperial Japan too?

The only piece of shit here are the Brits best represented by Churchmouse & his brigade of colonial apologists best represented here by you.


Neither have we forgotten those who sacrificed their lives unnecessarily to uphold British freedom in both the WW, nor have we forgotten those who fought for our freedom whether under the Congress banner in a non violent manner or under the banner of the Azad Hind Fauj by picking up arms. Nor have we forgotten those who were unintentionally martyred like those hapless souls who were victims in the Bengal Famine.
 
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They collaborated with Hitler, who would have gladly killed them if the allies had been defeated

Killed who ? And why shouldn't any Indian collaborate with someone who were against the scum who colonized India ?

Enemy of your enemy is your friend is a basic principle which makes sense. And that's what he did, by collaborating with imperial Japanese for assistance to fight the British. He wasn't a genocide perpetrator like Churchill or a mass murderer like Gen. Dyer

Anyway, what amazes me is how this offends the British- the same bunch who take pride in the empire, justifies colonial atrocities and worships Churchill. Don't throw stones at others while sitting in a glass house.

this piece of shit

Are you talking about the genocidal maniac & the greatest Briton ever- Winston Churchill by any chance?

Actually British love for him do not surprise me, as they always loved such mass murderers. This is what the British public did for Gen. Dyer after he was 'honorably discharged'.

Rudyard Kipling, who claimed Dyer was "the man who saved India", is alleged to have started a benefit fund which raised over £26,000 sterling, including £50 contributed by Kipling himself for Dyer. Subhash Chopra in his book Kipling Sahib – the Raj Patriot (2006), writes that the benefit fund was started by the Morning Post newspaper


And here is how British government 'deals' with it's colonial history

‘We should be proud of our Empire rule’ says Cameron

He said that at the very place where his great empire shot dead 2000 people.

And you really think you have some moral superiority to sermonize others ?

Your title says Hindu Nationalist.

That's what ignorant British press think- but you can't expect better from those dimwitts.


Again he wasn't a member of any organisation- just like one of those lone wolf white supremacists who conduct terrorist attacks & always gets away with minor sentences (though this guy was rather executed for his crime)

It's a bit like Jews naming something after people from the Association of German National

More like Americans naming something after their founding fathers.

Have you forgotten all the Indians who died fighting Hitler and Imperial Japan too?

And what were those men fighting for ? Were they fighting for liberty ? Afterall they were made to fight for their own oppressors.

And what did they achieve by laying down their lives ?

The entire history of WWII has been 'whitewashed' so much that most of the world is unaware of the role of the history's largest volunteer force. They were used as cannon fodder and 'discarded' as soon as the war ended.
 
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Hitler would have killed Indians simply because they weren't white. If you admire an Indian who collaborated with him that only speaks of your ignorance and exemplifies why millions of your country folk still die of malnutrition every year.

What did Indians fighting for the British achieve? Well let's see, Churchill promised independence for India after Hitler was defeated, those men laid down their lives for that cause and India duly received independence. Those are your founding fathers, as is Ghandi. The guy you've named the islands after is just an ignorant fool. I mean, was he still working with the Japanese as they tried invade India? But he's a hero? Err... what? My God it's no wonder the temperature is higher than the IQ over there.
 
Why don't you stop worrying about our internal matters .and worry about genocidal maniacs that your country consider hero.

Bose is hero in India
Why don't you keep your own matters out of the Brexit thread? That's the real question here. A genocide has to be deliberate and engineered by the person or group. Churchill did neither. You have the same number of people die of malnutrition in peacetime in the 21st century as died in the Bengal famine during WWII, all whilst you export food and spend money on space missions and aircraft carriers. It's no wonder your Modi likes to name islands to honour the fans of mass murderers, since he is one himself.
 
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Hitler would have killed Indians simply because they weren't white.
Conjecture. While the swines(read Brits )were killing us anyway.
May I introduce you to alternative history!


Alternate History Discussion

If you admire an Indian who collaborated with him that only speaks of your ignorance and exemplifies why millions of your country folk still die of malnutrition every year.


Hahaha. Millions died under your watch or to be specific under Churchmouse's watch. In India & earlier in Ireland. That was your commitment to your colonies!!



What did Indians fighting for the British achieve? Well let's see, Churchill promised independence for India after Hitler was defeated, those men laid down their lives for that cause and India duly received independence.

Hahaha. The ignranus( ignorant + arsehole) has spoken.


The 10 greatest controversies of Winston Churchill's career

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nston-churchills-legacy-no-one-should-forget/


Those are your founding fathers, as is Ghandi. The guy you've named the islands after is just an ignorant fool. I mean, was he still working with the Japanese as they tried invade India? But he's a hero? Err... what? My God it's no wonder the temperature is higher than the IQ over there.


It's Gandhi, Paddy. Not Ghandi. And Netaji Subhash C. Bose represents the very epitome of a militant struggle against Colonial forces using the very tools Colonial forces used to colonise India, be they the Japanese or the Germans. Incidentally, he first approached the Russians, without whom WW-2 wouldn't have been won, irrespective of what your goddamn partisan history would inform you & which you lapped up - no questions asked.

He's very much a revered personage here very much like Michael Collins with no stigma attached whatsoever , unlike the latter due to the latter's agreement with the Brits on the urging of DeValera who then turned in him , if there's any stigma to Collins's legacy in Ireland or any memory of him today.

But we don't expect you to know nuances or even acknowledge that.
 
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Five things that we learned from today's Brexit debate in UK parliament
Five things that we learned from today's Brexit debate in UK parliament

Here are five things we learned from another day of fiery Brexit debate in the House of Commons:

– If British Prime Minister Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement deal is rejected by MPs in a crunch vote next Tuesday, the Government will have just three sitting days – rather than the previously outlined three weeks – to come back to Parliament with alternative proposals.
The British PM had not been expected to wait a full three weeks to unveil a so-called Plan B, but the decision by MPs gives Downing Street less time to try to win concessions from the EU in such a scenario.

The vote marked the second embarrassing Brexit defeat for Mrs May in the space of 24 hours.

– Opinion is divided over the significance of the move, with hardline Eurosceptic Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg saying it “does not affect Brexit” because “it merely requires a motion to be tabled, not even debated”.
However, pro-European MPs insist they will be able to table amendments to such a motion which would make clear where Parliament stands on issues such as a no-deal Brexit if they are voted on.

– Commons Speaker John Bercow remains a highly contentious figure. His decision to allow a vote on the amendment forcing the PM to set out her plans earlier than expected drew furious derision from a swathe of Tory MPs, some of whom directed cries of “pathetic” and “nonsense” at him.

Amid at times chaotic scenes in the Commons, prominent Brexiteer Crispin Blunt claimed there was now an “unshakeable conviction” among many that Mr Bercow was no longer a neutral referee. However, pro-European Tories and opposition MPs backed the Speaker’s decision.
With some MPs calling for the Speaker’s resignation because they claimed he had not followed parliamentary procedure, Mr Bercow defended his controversial move, stating: “If we were guided only by precedent manifestly nothing in our procedures would ever change.”

– Intense Tory criticism was driven home when one Tory MP accused Mr Bercow of having a “derogatory” anti-Brexit sticker on his car.

The Speaker said the vehicle in question belonged to his wife and she was entitled to her own views, stating: “That sticker is not mine and that’s the end of it.”

– Labour made it clear that if, as many expect, Mrs May’s Brexit deal is voted down next week, it is a matter of “when, not if” the party will table a motion of no confidence.
And the party’s shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said that extending Article 50, meaning the UK would stay in the EU beyond the scheduled exit date of March 29, “may well be inevitable now”.
 
And the party’s shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said that extending Article 50, meaning the UK would stay in the EU beyond the scheduled exit date of March 29, “may well be inevitable now”.
Says who? The UK cannot unilaterally declare an extension. I expect the position of the rest of the EU will be that the UK is either out on March 29; or it stays in.
 
Five things that we learned from today's Brexit debate in UK parliament
Five things that we learned from today's Brexit debate in UK parliament

Here are five things we learned from another day of fiery Brexit debate in the House of Commons:

– If British Prime Minister Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement deal is rejected by MPs in a crunch vote next Tuesday, the Government will have just three sitting days – rather than the previously outlined three weeks – to come back to Parliament with alternative proposals.
The British PM had not been expected to wait a full three weeks to unveil a so-called Plan B, but the decision by MPs gives Downing Street less time to try to win concessions from the EU in such a scenario.

The vote marked the second embarrassing Brexit defeat for Mrs May in the space of 24 hours.

– Opinion is divided over the significance of the move, with hardline Eurosceptic Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg saying it “does not affect Brexit” because “it merely requires a motion to be tabled, not even debated”.
However, pro-European MPs insist they will be able to table amendments to such a motion which would make clear where Parliament stands on issues such as a no-deal Brexit if they are voted on.

– Commons Speaker John Bercow remains a highly contentious figure. His decision to allow a vote on the amendment forcing the PM to set out her plans earlier than expected drew furious derision from a swathe of Tory MPs, some of whom directed cries of “pathetic” and “nonsense” at him.

Amid at times chaotic scenes in the Commons, prominent Brexiteer Crispin Blunt claimed there was now an “unshakeable conviction” among many that Mr Bercow was no longer a neutral referee. However, pro-European Tories and opposition MPs backed the Speaker’s decision.
With some MPs calling for the Speaker’s resignation because they claimed he had not followed parliamentary procedure, Mr Bercow defended his controversial move, stating: “If we were guided only by precedent manifestly nothing in our procedures would ever change.”

– Intense Tory criticism was driven home when one Tory MP accused Mr Bercow of having a “derogatory” anti-Brexit sticker on his car.

The Speaker said the vehicle in question belonged to his wife and she was entitled to her own views, stating: “That sticker is not mine and that’s the end of it.”

– Labour made it clear that if, as many expect, Mrs May’s Brexit deal is voted down next week, it is a matter of “when, not if” the party will table a motion of no confidence.
And the party’s shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer said that extending Article 50, meaning the UK would stay in the EU beyond the scheduled exit date of March 29, “may well be inevitable now”.
It's actually garbage. There will be no alternative presented in 3 days because a) There isn't one, and b) The speaker broke the rules by having a vote on an amendment to a bill that had already been passed 'forthwith', which means no more amendments, c) If no alternative is presented it will simply be left sitting as a motion - motions have been left sitting for 2 years - and Brexit will continue, Rees-Mogg is right.

'No confidence' - good then David Davies can step in and get the job done with a no deal exit.
 
Says who? The UK cannot unilaterally declare an extension. I expect the position of the rest of the EU will be that the UK is either out on March 29; or it stays in.
I hope the EU do hold the deadline. I could not stand another month of this bollocks, let alone another year or two of it.
 
Why don't you keep your own matters out of the Brexit thread? That's the real question here. A genocide has to be deliberate and engineered by the person or group. Churchill did neither. You have the same number of people die of malnutrition in peacetime in the 21st century as died in the Bengal famine during WWII, all whilst you export food and spend money on space missions and aircraft carriers. It's no wonder your Modi likes to name islands to honour the fans of mass murderers, since he is one himself.


Lol, this is the education level of Brits . Propaganda and fake news. Churchill or any Brits are as worse as Nazis , Brits are most shameless and despicable humans in human history, Nazi look like kids infront of Brit crimes against humanity .


Wiped out all natives from Australia to America and made white majority society, even in 21 century they deny every thing. Even Nazis could not achieve that , Brits that . It's really funny you want to blame Nazis and Japanese but leave out biggest shit to humanity called Brits


May be rest of world should do what Brits did to them
 
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Lol, this is the education level of Brits . Propaganda and fake news. Churchill or any Brits are as worse as Nazis , Brits are most shameless and despicable humans in human history, Nazi look like kids infront of Brit crimes against humanity .


Wiped out all natives from Australia to America and made white majority society, even in 21 century they deny every thing. Even Nazis could not achieve that , Brits that . It's really funny you want to blame Nazis and Japanese but leave out biggest shit to humanity called Brits


May be rest of world should do what Brits did to them
Factually incorrect, native Americans and Aborigines still exist and they did a lot of killing and massacring of their own. It should also be noted that many other European emigrants went to North America, including French and German, but that doesn't suit your agenda.
 
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Subhash Chander Bose pictured meeting Nazi leader Adolf Hitler