MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Recall this discussion? Post 321 and 322.
Pretty close to 300 along with the navy at this rate.
Recall this discussion? Post 321 and 322.
Didn't know ACM Raha was a fanboy. I learn new things every day.
Anyway, "he said medium, he sees Rafale".
When he made the comment, in 2016, MWF didn't even exist.
Let's get the actual quote, shall we?
December 29, 2016
India needs 200-250 more Rafale fighters, 36 not enough: IAF chief Arup Raha
The Air Chief Marshal also rued that the tender for the much-needed “force multiplier” mid air refuellers had to be withdrawn.indianexpress.com
“But we have just ordered 36 aircraft and we require more aircraft in this middle weight category to give entire spectrum of capability,” he said,
He...
Pretty close to 300 along with the navy at this rate.
Hical Tech to Supply Rafale Components
By Rediff Money Desk, BengaluruHical Technologies wins Dassault Aviation contract to supply critical components for Rafale fighter aircraft control systems.
Bengaluru, Mar 9 (PTI) Bengaluru-based aerospace manufacturer Hical Technologies on Monday said that Dassault Aviation has awarded it long-term contract to manufacture products for critical Rafale fighter aircraft control systems applications.
In a statement, Hical Technologies said it will deliver mission-critical products that meet Dassault Aviation's stringent engineering, qualification, and reliability standards under the agreement.
"Hical Technologies has demonstrated a strong commitment to quality and reliability - values that strongly align with Dassault Aviation's heritage of excellence," said Bruno Coiffier, Senior Executive Vice President, Procurement and Purchasing, Dassault Aviation.
"This milestone is a testament to the years of engineering investment, precision manufacturing discipline, and quality culture that our teams at Hical have built," said Yashas Jaiveer, Managing Director, Hical Technologies.
"Being entrusted with critical products for the Rafale, one of the most sophisticated fighter aircraft in the world is a recognition that Indian aerospace manufacturing has arrived on the global stage. We are proud to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Dassault Aviation and contribute to a platform that symbolises excellence in defence technology," Jaiveer said.
The Bengaluru-based firm said that its inclusion in the Rafale programme positions India as a strategic contributor to one of the world's most operationally active fighter aircraft platforms, reinforcing the country's role in the global aerospace and defence value chain.
In next 10 years, the Indian Air Force will retire total of 12 squadrons from its fleet officially, which includes: 6 Sqns of SEPECAT Jaguar 3 Sqns of MiG-29UPG 3 Sqns of Mirage-2000I
If you Take 12 sqns away, then you will have 17 (out of 29) Left.
Now lets consider even if you add 12+ sqns by the next 10yrs (which is also uncertain) it will be still less than sanctioned strength of 42.5 squadrons strength. if you want to reach that position of 42 sqns then you need to add 2.5 Squadrons for next 10 years straight.
Where are the options? Tejas MK1a is delayed (not a single delivered from last 5 years, even original 40 aren't delivered fully),
Tejas Mk2 is super delayed for next 2yrs.
AMCA is still being discussed on papers that who will make it and vendors etc. while only Rafale will be delivered by dassault if deal signed ASAP. Su30MKIs are carrying us, with Super sukhoi updates (also no CCS approval)
We are choiceless in this environment, are we ?
Now you also started posting childish tweets here?
Delays doesnt mean nothing will be inducted in next 10 years. 11 squadrons of LCA will be delivered by then. 4-6 squadron of LCA mk2/AMCA mk1 mix and atleast 7 squadron of Rafales (including existing) if we conclude the contact in a year. That's 35 to 37 squadrons, however you count. Im not even adding residual 3 squadron Jaguar D3 airframe life post 2040.
We are in a dip, we are far better prepared for the future.
It's a little bit better than that. Mirage 2000 has a lot more life than 2035 and we just ordered 100+ new engines for the Mig-29s. Retirement for both is supposed to be 2040s, at least for 2 squadrons from each type.
Mk1A will begin normal deliveries over the next 1 year, GE plans to begin deliveries of 20 engines from this year onwards. So that's 9 squadrons.
And Rafale will easily give us 10 new squadrons within those 10-15 years, a squadron a year from 2030-31.
That's 17+19+4 = 40 squadrons by 2040. Not counting LCA Mk2 and AMCA.
We may increase the order size of Rafale F5 if our other programmes don't bear fruit like we wish! Once Rafale starts to get manufactured in India, then 114 is just a token number, the real number could easily exceed over 200 airframes. We were supposed to only have 140 MKIs, but due to delay in MRFA, we eventually had over 270+. Same could happen with Rafale, though our preference would be more LCA MK2s.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but I saw that this Twitter was cited on BRF by a moderator, so I assumed it was a serious assessment.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but I saw that this Twitter was cited on BRF by a moderator, so I assumed it was a serious assessment.
It reflects the current reality though. Rafale deal is yet to be signed, Mk1A is yet to be delivered.
The stuation will become extremely dire if these two programs do not deliver for some reason.
Curious what this would mean for Israeli weapon integration efforts on Indian Rafales.
Nothing. They are suspending their own imports which were already minicule.
We were looking to integrate Litening 5 with our F3R-Is rather than expensive French TALIOS. Don't know whether it will work out now or not(unless we have already integrated the former vis ISE)
We were looking to integrate Litening 5 with our F3R-Is rather than expensive French TALIOS. Don't know whether it will work out now or not(unless we have already integrated the former vis ISE)
We already should have. It's difficult to train on a new system.
Plus, never mind G5, even G4 is more advanced than TALIOS.
Not so sure. Israel's Sky Spear integration may now not happen.
Sky Spear is in lieu of Meteor for LCA and MKI. Plus it's not in large numbers, it's just stopgap until Gandiva shows up.
In any case, its integration on Rafale will be handled by India, not France.
Furthermore, pretty much all of what we want from Israel are plug and play, so any integration we cannot handle, the French can do so on their own.
Rafale order plan: Govt to ensure jets can carry indigenous missiles
The defence ministry is expected to issue the Request For Proposal (RFP) to French jet maker Dassault in May, and contract negotiations will begin thereafter.| India News
www.hindustantimes.com
The people cited above said the plan is to “hardwire” ICD into the final contract for the ₹3.25 lakh crore mega deal. ICD is a critical system engineering document that controls and defines all the vital protocols between a system and sub-systems. According to the proposal cleared by DAC, 18 fighters will be delivered in fly away condition from France while remaining 96 will be manufactured in India with indigenous content of over 25%.