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Pentagon audit questions sustainability of F-35 programme

The Department of Defense Inspector General has concluded that the US Department of Defense’s sustainment arrangements for the F-35 fighter aircraft suffer from inadequate oversight. The findings indicate problems that go beyond individual performance or managerial shortcomings, pointing instead to broader systemic weaknesses that are directly affecting the operational effectiveness of the United States’ most advanced combat aircraft programme.

The audit indicates that F-35 fleet was almost fifty-fifty grounded as average Air Vehicle Availability was approximately 50 percent. This also means that the force could fly only one aircraft out of two for operational tasking at any given time. This figure conflicts with initial Joint Fighter idea as having one main airframe with various designs for different missions aimed bypassing the readiness thresholds. This figures fall below the minimum availability expectations established by the US Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

Despite these shortfalls, the Department of Defense paid approximately $1.7 billion to Lockheed Martin without applying any economic adjustment. The Inspector General noted that payments continued even though key performance indicators — including Full Mission Capable, Mission Capable and overall availability rates — failed to meet contractual and service-level requirements. It is also interesting to note that the program lacks measurable performance criteria. This absence prevents the government from imposing financial penalties on the contractor. TurDef questions whether this gap is a deliberate one. It can be seen that the audit identified shortcomings in the readiness benchmarks set by the F-35 Joint Program Office, weak oversight of government-owned property and insufficient on-site monitoring.

The report recommends revising sustainment contracts to include enforceable performance targets and strengthening base-level oversight authority. On the other hand it also reflects a recurring pattern. It therefore can be said that problems are acknowledged and documented, however corrective action remains limited.

The F-35 is widely regarded as the most complex and one of the most expensive defence programmes in modern military aviation history. It is known that with total acquisition, operating and sustainment costs may exceed $2 trillion. The aircraft achieved Initial Operational Capability and Full Operational Capability in 2015 and 2018. It has been almost a decade since first F-35A entered sustained operational service. It is not productive to give some time to solve problems as the aircraft does not face inevitable early-service challenges.

It should be remembered that a flying aircraft is better than grounded one as they are built for it. This question can be materialized through F-35A and A-10 Thunderbolt II comparisons. The A-10 lacks fifth-generation survivability and it is unsuitable for high-threat environments. It has proven his predictable availability and high sortie generation in low-to-medium threat scenarios. It can be therefore claim that in certain mission sets, the ability to operate on demand can outweigh superior technological sophistication.

One may question whether the audit allege bribery or conventional corruption. It does not. Instead, it highlights a systemic accountability gap. Were the deficiencies the result of individual misconduct, disciplinary action or legal remedies might plausibly reset the system. What emerges instead is a structural condition in which a programme considered “too big to fail” becomes effectively insulated from meaningful penalties. Oversight mechanisms formally exist, but enforcement remains limited in practice.

Taken together, the findings point to a broader structural dynamic within the US defence ecosystem, where the Pentagon, Congress and the defence industry are closely intertwined. Within this framework, the United States can absorb inefficiencies by procuring additional aircraft to compensate for low availability. For allies and partners, however, the consequences are far more severe. Acquiring a platform with high sustainment costs and deep dependence on US-controlled logistics, software and supply chains means inheriting these systemic vulnerabilities from the outset.

The audit indicates that readiness shortfalls are currently being mitigated not through transformative improvements in sustainment efficiency, but by expanding fleet size to offset limited availability. This places the F-35 at the centre of a persistent paradox: exceptional technological capability paired with constrained operational sustainability.

Ultimately, the report raises a question that extends beyond contract management or technical performance. If the problem is embedded within the system itself, can meaningful improvement reasonably be expected from that same system? The Inspector General offers no definitive answer. As a conclusion, the audit makes clear that the assumption that some issues will gradually resolve themselves over time is a void claim. The debate surrounding the F-35 has already evolved into a wider discussion about sustainable combat power, procurement sovereignty and the long-term risks associated with structural dependence.
 

Germany Is Doubling Down on the F-35 Stealth Fighter​


-Add Germany’s post-2022 Zeitenwende rearmament push and its central role in NATO’s European posture, and the logic tightens: stealth, sensor fusion, and secure networks are not luxuries but prerequisites.

-With FCAS mired in industrial and requirement disputes, Berlin’s pivot to the F-35 looks less like preference and more like necessity.
 
Dead but not buried



Decision On FCAS Fighter Jet Program Postponed Indefinitely​


Progress on the joint €100 billion joint project has stalled amid disputes between France’s and Germany’s aerospace champions over leadership and work allocation. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz and French President Emmanuel Macron had aimed to resolve a long-running conflict over Europe’s flagship defence programme, the Future Combat Air System (FCAS), by the end of 2025.

“Contrary to the original plan, a final decision on the continuation of the FCAS project by the end of the year has not yet been made,” a German government spokesperson told Euractiv.
 
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The serviceability rate of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet in service with the French Air Force is 48.5%, according to information given to a French lawmaker by the government.




F-35 51.5%
The mission capable rate for the F-35A held steady, inching up a half percentage point to 51.5 percent., possibly benefitting from increased spare parts availability as delivery was held up for scores of new aircraft throughout fiscal 2024.


 
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I don't like red flag in a lot of ways but I love giant large Force exercises in the F-35 like that's when you when you
find other f-35s you know you don't really get a feel for like how dominant it can be in a red flag scenario where
you're fighting a bunch of 4th gen and even some Legacy 5th gen [F-22] no offense uh you can Dominate and it feels good

 
(...) The serviceability rate of the Dassault Rafale fighter jet in service with the French Air Force is 48.5%, according to information given to a French lawmaker by the government. (...)
Obsolete data.

2026: "60% is the MINIMUM availability (and even that's not the true figure) of the entire FRENCH fleet. It includes downtime related to modernization projects. 90% is technical availability."

I invite you to activate the automatic english translation of this video (in which Greek and Indian feedbacks are discussed):
(this vid is a teaser, the final version coming soon. I will share the link)
 
This Spanish poster did a good job on the data, and I used his research here


Do you have official numbers and how they are calculated for your 60% fleet wide?
First of all, different air forces have different criteria , which makes it harder
For example

As for the MC rates statistics, we see that over the last few years for the F-35 they were approximately:
• 2020: 71.4%.
• 2021: 68.8%.
• 2022: 56%.
• 2023: 51.9%.
• 2024: 51.5%

the US Air Force has recently changed its way of measuring the operability of its aircraft:

• "Mission capability" no longer depends only on the mechanical condition of the aircraft. It is now calculated using a formula that includes the availability of trained crew, maintenance personnel and spare parts.
• These metrics are not fixed, but change depending on the type of aircraft
F-22 readiness fell from 52 percent to just 40.19 percent; it had been at 57.4 percent two years ago



I saw this for 2021 Air force 55%, I saw the 61% for the Marine, A small in number fleet, that would be given a high priority, to maintain the best operational ability

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A good example of how the change in metrics has influenced the USAF is in this image of F-15C availabilities, and how the MCs change whether or not the aircraft that are in storage and storage are counted, going from 67% to 40%.

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Sweetman is still lying, the poor old soul
The software is finished, they are waiting on the testing

Current Status of TR-3 Software
  • Development Phase: Lockheed Martin executives stated in June 2025 that the TR-3 software development has been completed on their end.
  • Testing Phase: The software is now in the process of being tested and certified by the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD). Intensive flight testing for the software upgrades and next-generation weapons integration is ongoing at Edwards Air Force Base.
  • Timeline for Combat Capability: The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) aims to have the jets combat-ready in 2025, but the timeline might extend into early 2026 for final operational testing and approval.
 
Sweetman is still lying, the poor old soul
The software is finished, they are waiting on the testing
Do you consider software of this complexity that has not been fully tested to be finished? We don't have the same understanding of ‘finished’ then, because I consider it to be halfway through its development. As for the goal of it being combat ready in 2025, that has been missed, which proves that there is still work to be done.
 
With war coming between US and EU we will directly see how f-35 react when they are used against other f-35. Have f-35 a kill-switch. How many f-35 will be grounded without US spare parts ?
We all know the answer. All european f-35 are going to be useless not only the tr3 already useless.
 
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So Germany is walking away and you are in a save face mode, You think that downgrading the f-35 will soothe your scars,

The clickbait articles aren't extreme enough for you now, You have to resort to fabricating your own stuff, dressed in rags and full of nonsense,
Germany alone can't produce a fighter. They simply no more have the knowledges.
Even with SAAB, the engine will remain one deep problem, except to purchase it to US... with export issues.
It's still funny when your fellow forumers call you out for being an idiot over the F-35

it just prove you don't understand the french langage.
 


Irrespective how much Pops Paddy & Sweetie crow , this is the best advertisement for the F-35. The Europeans & everybody flies it at American pleasure. You piss the Americans off & the F-35 becomes a hangar queen.

So , sweetie remember all that stuff you pulled from your rear so many times out here in the past about the US not willing to sell the F-35 to India to which we responded we didn't need it for it came with strings attached to you responding even if the US wanted to sell them to India you didn't support such a deal to our counter response that we didn't want a FA which we couldn't operate independently , well here's final proof Trump's offer was rejected by the GoI who didn't bother responding to Trump's offer & instead opted for France's Dassault Rafale .

It's upto France to capitalise on the situation & further boost the sales of the Rafale plus begin the process of rebuilding European defence industries minus American influence. Trump single handedly has achieved what no French leader since De Gaulle did - warning of Anglo Saxon hegemony over Europe , stripping it of all autonomy.

What a splendid replacement Dolund turned out to be to my man Irish Joe ! God knows it was a tough act to follow but cometh the hour , cometh the man ( no sweetie , it's not what you think it means ).


@Optimist ; @BMD ; @Innominate
 
Here is the reason why India should never buy an American jet @0:28 mark onwards:


@Lolwa Now do you believe what I was saying that you won't be able to operate F-35 without American permission? Do you still support India buying it?
We will see. If the Pakistanis can use f-16's on a whim anybody can. The f-35 is connected to their combat cloud that could limit it's capabilities. I will wait till we have some visible evidence of the Amreekis actively limiting any f-35 user nation.
 
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