Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

LOL 🤣 A great leap, You have understood that the TR-3 hardware is at the base of block 4 and the existing TR-2 will be updated in due course

Rafale only needs a new coat of paint to be classed as an update, You wouldn't understand how technical this stuff is, Are we going to do this for every update?
You, you don't understand why the Pentagon doesn't want to switch from TR2 to TR3 on the old F-35s, so let me explain the situation.

First, an overview of TR2: everything is more or less OK, except that the TR2-based avionics consume more than expected, which leads to greater than expected heat production. This is not entirely surprising, since TR2 was preceded by TR1 and the natural evolution of systems is to become increasingly powerful and consume and heat up more and more. The fact remains that the cooling systems had been designed for 14 kW of cooling power, whereas TR2 required 32 kW. In order to cool the F-35's avionics anyway, the engine manufacturer made a modification that involves taking more air from the engine's low-pressure turbine to provide more cooling fluid. This works, but it causes the engine to operate outside its specifications, which reduces its service life by a factor of 2 and, if nothing is done, will cost £38 billion over the operational life of all F-35s.

But nothing was done. Now TR3: of course, it is even more powerful and heats up even more than TR2, so we have the choice between doing things right or continuing to increase the air intake to cool it more, which would further reduce the engine's lifespan. To be able to run the entire block 4, it would need to be cooled with 64 kW of power, and for post-block 4 functions, it would need 80 kW.

It was decided that we should now do things properly, and this will be done in two stages: first, we will change the hot core of the reactor, and second, we will replace the PTMS with a PTMU, which is in fact a new version of the PTMS that takes into account the real cooling specifications instead of tinkering with a solution derived from a bad specification. The problem is that these two modifications will not be available before 2033, by which time the F-35 TR2s will be too old to justify such an investment to make them Block 4-capable.
 
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By David Donald • Contributor - UK
June 16, 2025
Lockheed Martin has completed work on the major Technology Refresh (TR) 3 upgrade for the F-35 multirole fighter. The reliability of one unspecified combat capability remains to be validated before the TR3 upgrade is declared combat-capable.

TR3 is the most aggressive update to be applied to the F-35 so far, bringing 75 new programs into a package that covers both hardware and software. At the heart of the upgrade is an upgraded core processing that provides 25 times more computing power compared with the previous TR2 standard.

Improvements introduced by TR3 cover various sensor upgrades and the ability to employ more and different types of weapons. Artificial intelligence figures prominently in the software. An open systems architecture permits the TR3 system to be rapidly upgraded to meet evolving threats and, crucially, prepares the aircraft to accept the range of weapons and capabilities planned for the upcoming Block 4 upgrade.

It also supports far greater interoperability, in turn allowing the F-35 to operate as a data node in multi-domain operations. This has been tested in recent months using a multi-domain gateway system that was developed by Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. In one test, a Dutch F-35 used the gateway to download classified data into a command and control system, which passed firing-quality data to a ground-based rocket artillery system.

All F-35s built since last July have been fitted with the TR3 hardware and basic software, and will only require some additional software changes that can be uploaded in the field via the operational flight program. The 200th TR3 aircraft was delivered earlier this month.

Lockheed Martin is also providing TR3 upgrade kits for earlier TR2-standard aircraft, with the aim of conducting these upgrades at user bases with contract field teams.

Overall, the F-35 enterprise has delivered 1,185 aircraft to date and expects to complete between 170 and 190 aircraft this year. The in-service fleet has surpassed one million flight hours, and global F-35 customer nations now number 20.

Thirteen European nations either have F-35s in service or have ordered them. Combined with U.S. Air Force aircraft stationed in the UK, U.S. European Command expects to have more than 700 F-35s operating in its region by 2035.
 
The engine from 2015, it was always going to be updated is some way, The core is to be swapped out on a major engine overhaul

cooling liquid system updated
Honeywell looks to be in the lead for this
Enabling F-35s to update cooling capacity within our existing PTMS architecture, we can now eliminate the risks that would otherwise come from qualifying and fielding a new system that would cost taxpayers billions of dollars without any additional benefit,” Milas added.

The problem is that these two modifications will not be available before 2033, by which time the F-35 TR2s will be too old to justify such an investment
Nonsense, the majority of current F-35 world fleet, will still be flying in 2055-2065, Block 4 is like an early MLU for them
Countries have already decided to update, ,,,Try and keep up Pic
 
When the JPO sells you:

The best radar, the ultimate sensory fusion, perfect EW integration, the air-to-surface superset, superiority against stealth, extended nuclear compatibility, autonomous coalition integration, etc... these are promises dependent on Block 4 and post-Block 4. If Block 4 is cut, delayed, fragmented or partial... then a substantial part of the promised functions will never be delivered.
 
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By David Donald • Contributor - UK
June 16, 2025
Lockheed Martin has completed work on the major Technology Refresh (TR) 3 upgrade for the F-35 multirole fighter. The reliability of one unspecified combat capability remains to be validated before the TR3 upgrade is declared combat-capable.

TR3 is the most aggressive update to be applied to the F-35 so far, bringing 75 new programs into a package that covers both hardware and software. At the heart of the upgrade is an upgraded core processing that provides 25 times more computing power compared with the previous TR2 standard.

Improvements introduced by TR3 cover various sensor upgrades and the ability to employ more and different types of weapons. Artificial intelligence figures prominently in the software. An open systems architecture permits the TR3 system to be rapidly upgraded to meet evolving threats and, crucially, prepares the aircraft to accept the range of weapons and capabilities planned for the upcoming Block 4 upgrade.

It also supports far greater interoperability, in turn allowing the F-35 to operate as a data node in multi-domain operations. This has been tested in recent months using a multi-domain gateway system that was developed by Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. In one test, a Dutch F-35 used the gateway to download classified data into a command and control system, which passed firing-quality data to a ground-based rocket artillery system.

All F-35s built since last July have been fitted with the TR3 hardware and basic software, and will only require some additional software changes that can be uploaded in the field via the operational flight program. The 200th TR3 aircraft was delivered earlier this month.

Lockheed Martin is also providing TR3 upgrade kits for earlier TR2-standard aircraft, with the aim of conducting these upgrades at user bases with contract field teams.

Overall, the F-35 enterprise has delivered 1,185 aircraft to date and expects to complete between 170 and 190 aircraft this year. The in-service fleet has surpassed one million flight hours, and global F-35 customer nations now number 20.

Thirteen European nations either have F-35s in service or have ordered them. Combined with U.S. Air Force aircraft stationed in the UK, U.S. European Command expects to have more than 700 F-35s operating in its region by 2035.
To describe TR-3 as a technical and industrial success is to accept that a standard delivered more than two and a half years late, resulting in the suspension of deliveries, the storage of finished aircraft and the acceptance of reduced capacity, is now a success.
This is a very accommodating redefinition of the word ‘success’, perhaps acceptable from the point of view of the programme's survival, but certainly not from the point of view of customers or the initial schedule.
But TR-3 is not Block 4: it does not deliver capabilities, it only makes them possible.
It is precisely the final content of Block 4, its actual scope, schedule and funding that are now being questioned by the GAO and subject to the Nunn–McCurdy mechanisms.
The debate is therefore not ‘Does TR-3 work?’, but ‘What Block 4 capabilities will actually be delivered, to whom, and when?’
 
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LM lost the 6th gen comp, They have the 6th gen tech, They are proposing a F-35 upgrade using this tech, Like Boeing did for the Super hornet, when it lost the 5th gen F-35 comp

They can get the F-35 to 80% 6th gen of the F-47 at half the cost


@pic oil They haven't announced their timeline for the update to the US fleet, The euro trash interpreted this as not upgrading 1,000 aircraft, just the usual trolling of the best available aircraft
It's simply an improvement on the old systems.

Yeah but the Integrated core processor which they are testing seems to be highly rugged for better heat dissipation, temperature resistance and higher durability for longer missions, which means that they are using it for better resolution from Radar and other sensors. Quicker real time processing which is basically a base for 6th gen capability.

You replace it with NVIDIA Blackwell which has higher DMIPS and it will do way better but it will fry in the first 2 hours of flight because it is not robust. The processor core must be robust and this one is very robust. That's why I guess they are testing the robustness with bigger Radar for better time complexity in such environments.
 
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No, there has been no increase in the cost of the Swiss F-35s!

And no, the cost has not ‘increased’ by 600 million or 1.6 billion.

This is a truth that should one day be brought out from the mass of information that bases its news on this.

When we analyse the actual data, as I did by listing all the FMS contracts (which are indicative, it should be noted), one thing becomes very clear about the Swiss contract.

After adjusting all the contracts to 2025 dollars to take into account so-called inflation, we see something surprising. The amount indicated for Switzerland is VERY lower than ALL the other contracts.

And if we now add 1.6 billion, the cost per aircraft rises from 202 to 242 million. And do you know what the average unit cost per aircraft is when ALL contracts are taken into account? 248 million.

Do you understand? The price indicated on the FMS was bogus from the start. The F-35 being cheaper than its competitors was simply the result of a well-organised scam. And once the first sums had been committed... it was difficult to backtrack.

So there was no increase, just a readjustment to the actual cost. But don't worry, there will be increases, because that's one of the few constants in this programme.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
 
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FMS are never a fixed price, The Swiss have brough FMS before and know full well, They pay exactly the same as other FMS for the same year the aircraft is made, no one knew the cost when the offer was made, it could only be an estimate,
Every FMS customer pays exactly the same for each item in the same year bought, It's one of the advantages with US purchases, you know exactly where you stand and everything is transparent

You would need to look at the original offer to see what year $ costs and what they wanted included, As everyone knows, it depends on what spares, armaments etc, that is added to the actual cost of the aircraft, The individual offers can be quite different, An average is just that, just an average of higher and lower contracts, over different years, The more stuff included and what year it was made, changes the cost
 
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The F-35: when narrative outweighs physics

Capability propaganda consists of presenting as a given a capability that exists only as an intention, a roadmap or a future promise. The case of the F-35 is a perfect illustration of this, as the drift concerns not only the software or the governance of the programme, but the very physics of the aircraft.

As early as 2016, the GAO indicated that the remaining 20% of tests were the most complex, involving mission systems and the most constrained environments, and that capabilities planned in the initial definition had already been postponed to Block 4, for which neither the scope nor the cost had been finalised. In other words, system compliance was being postponed into the future, while being presented as a given.

This logic of postponement then led to an even more serious problem: the alteration of maturity metrics. When more than a hundred category 1 anomalies were identified in flight tests, the programme did not prioritise correcting the defects, but administratively reclassified their criticality, effectively removing test pilots from their central role in risk assessment. From that point on, the published indicators ceased to reflect the actual state of the system.

The thermal issue reveals that this drift is not only administrative or software-related, but structural. By the end of Block 3F, the F-35's cooling requirements exceeded the design capacity of the F135 engine and PTMS, forcing the engine to run hotter and degrading its service life. Block 4, far from being a simple upgrade, exacerbated this saturation by adding additional sensors, computing and electronic warfare functions.

Since 2023, the definition of an advanced PTMS has most likely progressed. But this conceptual progress does not change the fundamental diagnosis: the thermal margin was consumed very early on, on a standard that was supposed to be intermediate. On a stealth aircraft, cooling solutions are inherently constrained (no open heat exchangers, dependence on fan air and fuel), which means that any further evolution is remedial, not incremental. At this stage, the complete solution is still not an integrated, certified and fleet-wide deployed capability.

This point is decisive, because physics cannot be re-qualified. Whereas anomalies can be reclassified and capabilities pushed back, thermal saturation reveals an initial undersizing that neither communication nor software can mask in the long term. The F-35 is therefore not a system undergoing controlled growth, but a system in constant catch-up mode, whose capability promises are based on future solutions that are still incomplete.

The conclusion is therefore clear and uncontroversial: the problem with the F-35 is not that it is intrinsically ‘bad’, but that the capability narrative describes an aircraft that does not yet exist as presented. As long as functional, software and physical compliance remain projected into the future, talking about a fully operational or ‘formidable’ system is a matter of narrative, not engineering fact.
 
When meeting milestones no longer guarantees even the schedule

The implicit logic of the F-35 program has been as follows:

Accept reduced margins, reclassify anomalies, postpone corrections, in order to meet political and industrial milestones. This logic may exist in certain civilian programs, under strong commercial constraints. But it only makes sense if the milestones are actually met.

However, in the case of the F-35:
  • development has drifted,
  • standards have piled up without stabilizing,
  • "final" capabilities have been pushed back from block to block,
  • production has fallen behind schedule despite the flexibility granted,
and even today, aircraft are being delivered not fully operational, awaiting hardware and software fixes.

This observation is fundamental, the deterioration of requirements has not bought time, it has bought debt. The central paradox: the more flexibility you offer, the slower the program becomes.

In theory, reclassifying anomalies and accepting risk should:
  • streamline development,
  • accelerate decision-making,
  • simplify certification.
In practice, we observe the opposite:
  • each accepted defect generates operational constraints,
  • each postponement creates unstable interfaces,
  • each temporary solution adds retrofit complexity,
  • each incomplete standard makes the next one harder to integrate.
Result:

the program becomes slow not despite these concessions, but because of them. This is a well-known phenomenon in complex systems engineering: when problems aren't properly resolved, they reappear later, amplified, and more costly to address. The emblematic case: when the future blocks the present. This is very clear with:
  • software delays,
  • hardware bottlenecks,
  • incompatibilities between batches,
  • and dependence on unfinished developments.
The system is now chained to its own future:
  • the existing system cannot be stabilized without the next version,
  • full delivery is impossible without the next update,
  • and fixes cannot be implemented without altering the overall architecture.
This is the exact opposite of a robust program, where each increment is self-contained, and then serves as a solid foundation for the next.

If the real objective had been to meet deadlines, the program should have simplified, frozen, and reduced its scope. Instead, it did the opposite:
  • continuous complexity,
  • scope expansions,
  • increased software dependency, and a piling up of fixes.
This demonstrates that achieving milestones was not a means to an end, but a political end in itself. The goal was no longer to deliver a finished system on time, but to declare progress, regardless of the actual state.

Straightforward Conclusion

The F-35 sacrificed robustness to meet milestones, but it met neither robustness nor milestones. This is where the argument completely falls apart. One can no longer invoke:
  • the program's youth,
  • its exceptional complexity,
  • or even the deliberate choice of risk.
Because these arguments only hold water if the results are achieved over time. Here, time has run out, robustness has been compromised, and the future remains uncertain.

This is precisely the point at which a systems engineer would conclude:

the problem is no longer technical, it's structural. And at this stage, it's no longer a criticism, it's a fact.
 
So Germany is walking away and you are in a save face mode, You think that downgrading the f-35 will soothe your scars,

The clickbait articles aren't extreme enough for you now, You have to resort to fabricating your own stuff, dressed in rags and full of nonsense,
 
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😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭You are both in an indian defense forum debating about project delays........ 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Delay in India happens due to lack of insight where air force is clear what it wants but scientific community is not able to develop that and government has to import with limited budget, where as this delay on F35 is a part of research program for the 6th gen technology.
 
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The Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Air Force, General João Cartaxo Alves, confirmed that 14–28 fifth-generation fighters will be acquired through the Military Programming Law to replace the F-16AM/BM Fighting Falcons.The F-35 is the most likely candidate, marking a major leap in Portugal’s aerial capabilities and modernization efforts.

 
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Pentagon and Lockheed Martin throw blame around as F-35 fails its 8th audit


At some point in the foreseeable future, someone will make a list of the worst military aircraft in history. It’s not a matter of if, but where on the list the F-35 will be. The troubled US-made fighter jet has failed to pass numerous consecutive audits since it was formally inducted into service a decade ago. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) issued numerous reports on nearly 900 deficiencies plaguing the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, including availability rates, battle readiness, robustness, reliability, etc. According to the latest report, none of these problems has been resolved. Worse yet, even some new issues have been identified, exacerbating the F-35’s already disastrous reputation.

Namely, the War Department’s (DoW) Inspector General Office reports that the entire F-35 fleet of the US military (which includes all service branches that operate the troubled jet) hasn’t improved its availability rates, which remain below 50%. Published on December 19, the audit says that “although the aircraft were not available to fly half of the time and the maintenance issues meant they didn’t meet minimum military service requirements”, the Pentagon still paid Lockheed Martin $1.7 billion in bonuses. The report also warns the DoW “did not consistently hold Lockheed Martin accountable for poor performance related to F-35 sustainment, for which it is responsible under existing contracts”.

Previous audits found that the F-35’s low availability rates, exorbitant maintenance requirements and sustainment costs have greatly hampered its battle readiness, which often falls as low as 29%. Lockheed Martin repeatedly pledged to improve this, but has consistently failed to do so. Such low availability rates for the newest jets in the American military are rather concerning for the Pentagon, particularly as decades-old legacy aircraft (such as the F-15, F-16, F/A-18E/F, etc.) have far superior battle readiness despite all the wear and tear their airframes have endured over the last 30+ years. Worse yet, this indicates that F-35s will actually have even lower availability rates as their airframes age.

Not to mention that older jets will require higher maintenance, with rising costs contributing to a further decline in battle readiness, meaning it could fall well below 30%. In fact, the situation is so bad that the Pentagon will likely retire some of the F-35s as early as 2026, less than a decade after they were inducted into service. The United States Air Force (USAF) is forced to buy heavily upgraded F-15s to address the lack of advanced fighter jets, so it could have at least a theoretical chance against Russian and Chinese designs. This explains why the F-35’s airframe lifetime is just 8,000 flight hours, especially when compared to the new F-15EX, which stands at a staggering 20,000 (or 2.5 times more).

In practice, this means that the F-15, a half-century-old design, will actually outlive the much newer F-35. Namely, given the number of flight hours per year, an F-15EX introduced in the early 2020s could fly until the 2080s, well over a century after the first F-15 was introduced. In comparison, the last F-35 is expected to retire by the 2070s (provided the JSF program even survives that long). With the notable exception of the F-35I (which allows Israel to heavily customize the jet), the JSF program has been an unmitigated disaster, including its Pratt & Whitney F135 engines (unreliable and prone to overheating) and the neverending software glitches.

And yet, these problems are only the tip of the iceberg. The Pentagon often claims that the F-35’s main redeeming quality is that it’s a much better ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) platform than a weapons carrier, acting more like a force multiplier for other systems. However, the one time it had the chance to prove this, the F-35 failed miserably. Namely, back in February 2022, after Russia launched its special military operation (SMO) to end the NATO-orchestrated Ukrainian conflict, F-35s from the 388th and 419th Fighter Wings, based in Germany, were tasked with Electronic Intelligence (ELINT) missions to detect frequencies emitted by Russian air defenses.

Despite being equipped with advanced sensors and connected to NATO’s massive ISR network, these F-35s failed to detect Russian SAM (surface-to-air missile) systems. The pilot who flew one of the F-35s complained that all surveillance assets in the area indicated a Russian S-300 variant was present, but the F-35’s much-touted sensors still couldn’t identify it as such.

“We identified the SA-20 system [NATO reporting name for the S-300PMU-1/2]. I knew it was an SA-20, and intelligence also indicated an SA-20 operating in the area, but my aircraft failed to recognize it, possibly because the air defense system was operating in a ‘war reserve mode’ we had not encountered before,” the USAF pilot stated.

On the other hand, in terms of raw performance, the F-35 is still far behind even the old F-16s (to say nothing of advanced Russian and Chinese fighter jets). Although the JSF idea was supposed to be great in theory, practice shows that specialized platforms are almost always superior to jack-of-all-trades systems expected to replace multiple very different aircraft.

In fact, the three F-35 variants themselves prove this. Initially, the JSF program had a parts commonality requirement of at least 80% for the A, B and C iterations (USAF, US Marine Corps and US Navy, respectively). However, in practice, that fell to just 20-40%, depending on the version. Expectedly, the F-35B is the most distinct, but nobody predicted that the A and C would be so different when the F-35 was finally approved for serial production. In the end, the Pentagon effectively got three distinct aircraft that would’ve been far cheaper and easier to develop had all service branches just acquired their own specialized platforms designed to accomplish specific tasks.

However, the insistence on the F-35 left all three service branches with mediocre results that will be far more expensive and less effective in the long run. This is precisely why the US Navy is still acquiring F/A-18E/F “Super Hornets” and even fitting them with new long-range air-to-air missiles, such as the AIM-174B. Fitting those on an F-35 is pretty much impossible, leaving the US Navy stuck with “Super Hornets”, as the F-35 simply cannot match Russian or Chinese long-range air-to-air missiles. The USMC is also unhappy (mildly speaking) with the F-35B, which is far less robust and incomparably more expensive than the AV-8B “Harrier 2”, which was supposed to be retired well over a decade ago.

Still, the USMC now must keep the jet in service until at least 2027 (unless further delays push that beyond 2030), despite it being completely outclassed. As previously mentioned, GAO and other auditors have repeatedly warned about the F-35’s numerous shortcomings, but to no avail. Although the US military doesn’t like it (mildly speaking), the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and the so-called “intelligence community” have a vested interest in the JSF program (for the profits and spying, respectively). As evidenced by India’s continued refusal, no sovereign and self-respecting nation would ever acquire the F-35, leaving the US, its vassals and satellite states as primary clients.
 
US gov't admits F-35 is a failure

With some wonky, hard to decipher language, a recent GAO report concluded the beleaguered jet will never meet expectations

Dan Grazier

Nearly a quarter century after the Pentagon awarded Lockheed Martin the contract to develop the Joint Strike Fighter Program into the F-35, the government finally admitted the jet will never live up to Lockheed’s ambitious promises — used to sell the $2 trillion boondoggle to nearly 20 countries around the world.

The Government Accountability Office released a report last month detailing the ongoing challenges the program faces. The first paragraph of the highlights page includes this sentence:

“The program plans to reduce the scope of Block 4 to deliver capabilities to the warfighter at a more predictable pace than in the past.”

The casual reader will be forgiven for possibly glossing over the passage because of its anodyne wording. But the statement is a profound admission that the F-35 will never meet the capability goals set for the program. “Reduce the scope of Block 4” means that program officials are forgoing planned combat capabilities for the jets.

Block 4 is the term to describe ongoing design work for the program. It began in 2019 and was termed as the program’s “modernization” phase. In reality, Block 4 is just a continuation of the program’s initial development process. Officials were unable to complete the F-35’s basic design within the program’s initial budget and schedule. Rather than making that embarrassing admission and requesting more time and money from Congress, Pentagon officials claimed the initial development process was complete (it was not) and they were moving on to “modernization.” What they really did was simply reclassify initial development work with a fancy rebrand.

So, when program officials say they plan to “reduce the scope of Block 4,” they are saying the F-35 will not have all the combat capabilities that were supposed to be a part of the original design.

This is a remarkable development. The American people have been paying a premium for more than two decades to develop and build the most sophisticated strike fighter jet in history. Pentagon officials, politicians, and defense industry executives have been saying for years that the United States needed the F-35 and all its planned capabilities to maintain a qualitive technological advantage over potential rivals. The combat capabilities at the top of the “scope” of Block 4 included some related to electronic warfare, weapons, communication, and navigation according to the GAO. These top-level capabilities were the ones for which the American people supposedly needed to pay a premium.

By admitting that the program cannot deliver the jets that were promised is really an admission that the entire project is a failure. The implications of that could be profound beyond the money that has been wasted throughout the past quarter century. There are 19 countries that either already are, or will shortly, operate F-35s after buying them from the United States. Several countries like the United Kingdom, Norway, and Italy have been a part of the program well before Lockheed Martin won the contract to develop the F-35. These countries have invested heavily in the program with the expectation that they would receive the most combat capable aircraft in history. All have seen their costs rise throughout the years and now they find out that the jets will never live up to the hype.

So, in addition to being a military disaster, the F-35 many also prove to be a foreign relations disaster as well. F-35 boosters in the United States sold the jet to the leaders of these countries with elaborate pitches of the combat capabilities they planned to deliver. There were also promises made early in the process about the program’s affordability, which seem comical today. The next time an American attempts to sell a “transformative” weapon abroad, they shouldn’t be terribly surprised if a potential customer expresses skepticism. F-35 customers have paid a fortune above the quoted price, receiving only a fraction of what was promised. The United States may find a shrinking market for weapons exports in the years ahead.

This should be a moment of deep reflection for the entire national security establishment. The F-35 was never going to live up to expectations because its very concept was deeply flawed. Trying to build one jet that could serve as a multi-role aircraft to meet the needs of just a single military branch is a highly risky proposition. When you try to build a single jet to meet the multi-role needs of at least 15 separate militaries, while also being a global jobs program and political patronage scheme, you get a $2 trillion albatross.
 
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