China’s “String of Pearls” and India's Two Front War Predicament : Analysis

[_Anonymous_]

It’s just that Indians don’t want to know these PLA things. There is a lot of public intelligence on Chinese military forums and a lot of information on Twitter.
You can't say these things are all CCP propaganda while complaining about the lack of PLA information.

I'm quite sure you missed the term - boots on the ground. That's where we hold the advantage . So , all the domination CCP has in the other domains comes to nought if you cannot take the land you claim. Think about that .

Are you sure that India's Squid-class submarines, which have no AIP and need to surface every few dozen hours, can be deployed to the South China Sea?
Moreover, China's anti-submarine forces are also making rapid progress.

Neither is the PLAN expected in any strength in the Indian Ocean Region ( IOR ) before 2035 by which time the Indian Navy will be prepared to welcome you here.

 

[LX1111]

I'm quite sure you missed the term - boots on the ground. That's where we hold the advantage . So , all the domination CCP has in the other domains comes to nought if you cannot take the land you claim. Think about that

Contrary to what you might think, China’s combat strategy in Tibet has always been to defend against Indian attacks and conduct limited counterattacks. China’s military strength in Tibet was seriously insufficient before 2020.

Neither is the PLAN expected in any strength in the Indian Ocean Region ( IOR ) before 2035 by which time the Indian Navy will be prepared to welcome you here

Since the 2015 , China has regularly deployed a fleet consisting of one 052D, one 054A, and one 903A supply ship in the Indian Ocean.There have been some news reports about the 039A submarine docking in Sri Lanka.

 

[lmaoxd]

do you seriously think china has the logistics to deploy multiple full CSGs(more than 2) in the IOR for extended periods of time because even right now that is what it would take to contend india in its own domain.

Since the 2015 , China has regularly deployed a fleet consisting of one 052D, one 054A, and one 903A supply ship in the Indian Ocean.There have been some news reports about the 039A submarine docking in Sri Lanka.

okay and? thats the basic amount china needs for anti piracy operations for its oil and trade?

Contrary to what you might think, China’s combat strategy in Tibet has always been to defend against Indian attacks and conduct limited counterattacks. China’s military strength in Tibet was seriously insufficient before 2020.

id rather not get into a argument where we have different arguments from the very base. China showed how peaceful it was in 2020, 2017, 2014, 2013, 1967 and 1962. we would be fools and deserve and invasion if we think china is peaceful after all that.

 

[LX1111]

do you seriously think china has the logistics to deploy multiple full CSGs(more than 2) in the IOR for extended periods of time because even right now that is what it would take to contend india in its own domain.


okay and? thats the basic amount china needs for anti piracy operations for its oil and trade?

Do you mean a decisive battle in the Indian Ocean? China has no such plan. If it wants to realize this idea, it should at least establish a large naval base in East Africa, Myanmar, or Pakistan.
China is most likely to conduct anti-blockade operations in the Sunda Strait or Malacca strait

rather not get into a argument where we have different arguments from the very base. China showed how peaceful it was in 2020, 2017, 2014, 2013, 1967 and 1962. we would be fools and deserve and invasion if we think china is peaceful after all that.

No, I mean, China has only had two armored brigades, one infantry brigade, and 10 border defense regiments in Tibet for a long time, which is totally insufficient to launch an offensive operation.

 

[Rajput Lion]

Do you mean a decisive battle in the Indian Ocean? China has no such plan. If it wants to realize this idea, it should at least establish a large naval base in East Africa, Myanmar, or Pakistan.
China is most likely to conduct anti-blockade operations in the Sunda Strait or Malacca strait


No, I mean, China has only had two armored brigades, one infantry brigade, and 10 border defense regiments in Tibet for a long time, which is totally insufficient to launch an offensive operation.

Your whole CBG would get routed by Su-30MKI + BrahMos-A combo. You should take the threat seriously after witnessing the damage the above did to Pak.

 

[LX1111]

Your whole CBG would get routed by Su-30MKI + BrahMos-A combo. You should take the threat seriously after witnessing the damage the above did to Pak.

What is CBG?Aircraft carrier battle group?
At least the 346A radar + HQ9B/C combination performed quite well against sea-skimming supersonic targets in the exercise.
Moreover, when China puts J15T and J35 into service on a large scale, I think it will be difficult for Su-30 to approach the 500KM radius of the aircraft carrier's air defense circle.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Contrary to what you might think, China’s combat strategy in Tibet has always been to defend against Indian attacks and conduct limited counterattacks. China’s military strength in Tibet was seriously insufficient before 2020.

Sure . Like 1962 , this time too , India attacked China & China vacated its own territory to establish peace .

I've always known Indian opium was potent. The after effects were known to last a few generations . Never knew it lasted this long.

Since the 2015 , China has regularly deployed a fleet consisting of one 052D, one 054A, and one 903A supply ship in the Indian Ocean.There have been some news reports about the 039A submarine docking in Sri Lanka.

I was clearly referring to PLAN coming into the IOR in full strength unless of course this is the best PLAN can do.

 

[RationalGuy]

Contrary to what you might think, China’s combat strategy in Tibet has always been to defend against Indian attacks and conduct limited counterattacks. China’s military strength in Tibet was seriously insufficient before 2020.


Since the 2015 , China has regularly deployed a fleet consisting of one 052D, one 054A, and one 903A supply ship in the Indian Ocean.There have been some news reports about the 039A submarine docking in Sri Lanka.

If you think your little fleet of 2 destroyers and one submarine in the IOR can defeat the Indian Navy, well good luck .

 

[RationalGuy]

What is CBG?Aircraft carrier battle group?
At least the 346A radar + HQ9B/C combination performed quite well against sea-skimming supersonic targets in the exercise.
Moreover, when China puts J15T and J35 into service on a large scale, I think it will be difficult for Su-30 to approach the 500KM radius of the aircraft carrier's air defense circle.

Well unfortunately for you the Sukhoi can soon launch 800 km Brahmos ALCM. That is on top of Indian Navy destroyers which can do the same, and I am not even counting shore based LRHASM hypersonic anti ship missile which has now entered production. Against a volley of 20-30 Brahmos supersonic missiles, your fleet stands no chance. Even the US Navy doesn't dare to say they can intercept all supersonic sea skimming targets. So please, stay in your little South China lake, don't come to IOR buddy. Bullying the Phillipines is very different than confronting the Indian Navy .

 

[RationalGuy]

It’s just that Indians don’t want to know these PLA things. There is a lot of public intelligence on Chinese military forums and a lot of information on Twitter.
You can't say these things are all CCP propaganda while complaining about the lack of PLA information.


Are you sure that India's Squid-class submarines, which have no AIP and need to surface every few dozen hours, can be deployed to the South China Sea?
Moreover, China's anti-submarine forces are also making rapid progress.

India doesn't even need to enter SCS. Just arm some K4 SLBMs with conventional warheads and strike Hainan island and Chinese bases in SCS from Bay of Bengal which the current Arihant class SSBN can do. Arihant can also perhaps strike targets in southern China such as Shenzhen, Guangdong, Fuzhou and others if you guys are stupid enough to bomb our cities with missiles, and there's nothing you can do about it since India has total supremacy over Bay of Bengal.

The only issue is perhaps only 8-10 K4s can be launched at a time so the strikes need to be a one off, well planned hit if it comes to it and we need to reserve some subs for actual deterrence patrols.

 

[LX1111]

India doesn't even need to enter SCS. Just arm some K4 SLBMs with conventional warheads and strike Hainan island and Chinese bases in SCS from Bay of Bengal which the current Arihant class SSBN can do. Arihant can also perhaps strike targets in southern China such as Shenzhen, Guangdong, Fuzhou and others if you guys are stupid enough to bomb our cities with missiles, and there's nothing you can do about it since India has total supremacy over Bay of Bengal.

The only issue is perhaps only 8-10 K4s can be launched at a time so the strikes need to be a one off, well planned hit if it comes to it and we need to reserve some subs for actual deterrence patrols.

Well unfortunately for you the Sukhoi can soon launch 800 km Brahmos ALCM. That is on top of Indian Navy destroyers which can do the same, and I am not even counting shore based LRHASM hypersonic anti ship missile which has now entered production. Against a volley of 20-30 Brahmos supersonic missiles, your fleet stands no chance. Even the US Navy doesn't dare to say they can intercept all supersonic sea skimming targets. So please, stay in your little South China lake, don't come to IOR buddy. Bullying the Phillipines is very different than confronting the Indian Navy .

500km is just a rough estimate. As a heavy fighter, the J-15 has a combat radius of about 1250km.

Taking the dual-carrier battle group displayed by China as an example, the escort ships include three 055s and six 052Ds.It can carry up to 720 HQ9B or 1440 HQ9C
I think it would be easy to deal with 20 to 30 BrahMos missiles

 

[LX1111]

India doesn't even need to enter SCS. Just arm some K4 SLBMs with conventional warheads and strike Hainan island and Chinese bases in SCS from Bay of Bengal which the current Arihant class SSBN can do. Arihant can also perhaps strike targets in southern China such as Shenzhen, Guangdong, Fuzhou and others if you guys are stupid enough to bomb our cities with missiles, and there's nothing you can do about it since India has total supremacy over Bay of Bengal.

The only issue is perhaps only 8-10 K4s can be launched at a time so the strikes need to be a one off, well planned hit if it comes to it and we need to reserve some subs for actual deterrence patrols.

China has long predicted the proliferation of medium and long-range ballistic missiles in neighboring countries, so it developed the HQ19 and HQ29.

 

[RationalGuy]

500km is just a rough estimate. As a heavy fighter, the J-15 has a combat radius of about 1250km.
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Taking the dual-carrier battle group displayed by China as an example, the escort ships include three 055s and six 052Ds.It can carry up to 720 HQ9B or 1440 HQ9C
I think it would be easy to deal with 20 to 30 BrahMos missiles

If you are going to send 2 carrier battle groups expect Brahmos in the hundreds, of which all you have no hope of intercepting, maybe 30 could be intercepted. And we are not even counting hypersonic glide vehicles. HQ9 failed against supersonic cruise missiles, against LRHASM it stands absolutely no chance.

As for J15, considering it's RCS it will be easy to engage for Barak 8 on board P17 frigates and P15 destroyers as well as Sukhois armed with Astra Mk2 and Gandiva, which will be ready and deployed in numbers far before China will have the capacity to send 2 carriers into the Indian Ocean.

 

[RationalGuy]

China has long predicted the proliferation of medium and long-range ballistic missiles in neighboring countries, so it developed the HQ19 and HQ29.

K4 is no ordinary missile as already discussed, it's a quasi ballistic depressed trajectory missile and will be launched in salvo. If K4 is used as a conventional weapon from our SSBNs, expect to see a few of your southern ports destroyed.

 

[LX1111]

If you are going to send 2 carrier battle groups expect Brahmos in the hundreds, of which all you have no hope of intercepting, maybe 30 could be intercepted. And we are not even counting hypersonic glide vehicles. HQ9 failed against supersonic cruise missiles, against LRHASM it stands absolutely no chance.

As for J15, considering it's RCS it will be easy to engage for Barak 8 on board P17 frigates and P15 destroyers as well as Sukhois armed with Astra Mk2 and Gandiva, which will be ready and deployed in numbers far before China will have the capacity to send 2 carriers into the Indian Ocean.

OK, now upgrade to hundreds of BrahMos
This capability was difficult to achieve even at the peak of the Soviet Union
Possible approaches taken by the PLA:
1. The J-35/15T or KJ600 can expand its air defense envelope and use its own radar to guide air defense missiles to intercept the BrahMos as soon as possible.
2.After inspection, BrahMos is publicly reported to have a modified range of 450-500KM， Recently expanded to 800KM
But this is still within the combat radius of the J15T/35 and the attack envelope of all missiles from the YJ15-20.

 

[LX1111]

As for J15, considering it's RCS it will be easy to engage for Barak 8 on board P17 frigates and P15 destroyers as well as Sukhois armed with Astra Mk2 and Gandiva, which will be ready and deployed in numbers far before China will have the capacity to send 2 carriers into the Indian Ocean

India's main carrier-based aircraft is the MIG29, which can be easily dealt with even by the J15. Recently, Russia also broke the news that the performance of the ZUKE radar was significantly lower than expected.
As for the Rafale fighters, well, these French cheating planes can't even beat the J10C, let alone the 4.5 generation heavy fighter J15T and the 5 generation fighter J35.

 

[LX1111]

K4 is no ordinary missile as already discussed, it's a quasi ballistic depressed trajectory missile and will be launched in salvo. If K4 is used as a conventional weapon from our SSBNs, expect to see a few of your southern ports destroyed.

Okay, this is a missile that flies within the atmosphere, so China's main weapons are HQ9C and HQ20

 

[RationalGuy]

India's main carrier-based aircraft is the MIG29, which can be easily dealt with even by the J15. Recently, Russia also broke the news that the performance of the ZUKE radar was significantly lower than expected.
As for the Rafale fighters, well, these French cheating planes can't even beat the J10C, let alone the 4.5 generation heavy fighter J15T and the 5 generation fighter J35.

So your bat soup 3rd grade copy of the S300 can't even defeat 5-10 Brahmos, infact it got defeated by an Indian drone, but still we are to believe HQ9 is very good and can handle 40 Brahmos. But for Rafale, a shoot down means it is totally trash especially against some cheap Chinese copy of Su 27. Seriously man (or woman?) you are so unbelievably shameless its funny .

 

[RationalGuy]

OK, now upgrade to hundreds of BrahMos
This capability was difficult to achieve even at the peak of the Soviet Union
Possible approaches taken by the PLA:
1. The J-35/15T or KJ600 can expand its air defense envelope and use its own radar to guide air defense missiles to intercept the BrahMos as soon as possible.
2.After inspection, BrahMos is publicly reported to have a modified range of 450-500KM， Recently expanded to 800KM
But this is still within the combat radius of the J15T/35 and the attack envelope of all missiles from the YJ15-20.

Bros using AI on me .

India has over 1,000 Brahmos already, to launch a volley of 100 within a very short period of time is not hard. And if you think PLAN can intercept even 25% of them well you're mentally delusional nothing more to say not even the US makes such claims . You people are so unbelievably delusional it will take another thorough beating like the one you got from Japan in 1937 to come to your senses, this time it will be the US Navy which will destroy your hubris like Japan did 80 years ago.

OK, now upgrade to hundreds of BrahMos
This capability was difficult to achieve even at the peak of the Soviet Union
Possible approaches taken by the PLA:
1. The J-35/15T or KJ600 can expand its air defense envelope and use its own radar to guide air defense missiles to intercept the BrahMos as soon as possible.
2.After inspection, BrahMos is publicly reported to have a modified range of 450-500KM， Recently expanded to 800KM
But this is still within the combat radius of the J15T/35 and the attack envelope of all missiles from the YJ15-20.

@_Anonymous_ if the chhotte aaks thinks this way we have won half the battle already

 

[LX1111]

Bros using AI on me .

India has over 1,000 Brahmos already, to launch a volley of 100 within a very short period of time is not hard. And if you think PLAN can intercept even 25% of them well you're mentally delusional nothing more to say not even the US makes such claims . You people are so unbelievably delusional it will take another thorough beating like the one you got from Japan in 1937 to come to your senses, this time it will be the US Navy which will destroy your hubris like Japan did 80 years ago.

@_Anonymous_ if the chhotte aaks thinks this way we have won half the battle already

Strange, if I split my reply into two parts will I be considered AI?
Moreover, the Soviet Union used a large number of supersonic anti-ship missiles to penetrate the aircraft carrier air defense network at low altitude in the 1970s. The Americans responded with two main methods:
1. F14A intercepted Soviet missiles and bombers;
2. Developed the Aegis system.
3.With the progress of the new era, the United States has also begun to use CEC capabilities to guide SM-3/6 to intercept supersonic targets at ultra-long distances.
China has all these capabilities and does them better