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BRICS should gang up and increase the cost of goods exported to US and countries which dont play along should be prevented from accessing raw materials. Only few countries like china have the capability to sustain complete supply chain.
I really doubt China would care about tariffs on India other than the fact that it's destroying India US ties. Infact they probably welcome this. They got their 90 day extension and know they can't be bullied in a similar way due to their hold on rare earth's. Tldr there's no reason for China to gang up with other BRICS nations.
 
I really doubt China would care about tariffs on India other than the fact that it's destroying India US ties. Infact they probably welcome this. They got their 90 day extension and know they can't be bullied in a similar way due to their hold on rare earth's. Tldr there's no reason for China to gang up with other BRICS nations.
Actually, it has. But not cause of India. But cause of Brazil, South Africa , Russia and Iran. All of them have been targeted and China wants to project itself as the leader of global South.

Right now India is being seen as more confronting towards USA garnering attention from Global South.
China is also fighting, but global south can't match China's leverage over USA ( less common connect) . So, China might indeed be willing to prove that it stands for Global South. Not necessarily deal on behalf of other countries but maybe provide them with other facilities.
 
I really doubt China would care about tariffs on India other than the fact that it's destroying India US ties. Infact they probably welcome this. They got their 90 day extension and know they can't be bullied in a similar way due to their hold on rare earth's. Tldr there's no reason for China to gang up with other BRICS nations.
Very rightly pointed out. No reason to tango up with dragon . Every place where Indian supplier will stop supplying Chinese will replace them happily. Also mixed signal is coming from DC. Better to keep negotiate. We need to drink more juice from Uncle Sam's jug for next 15 years . BRICS currency , will be a handy tool for Pakistan and Chinese to make further thousand cut to us. Better to forget Brics Currency now. Bring in Arm lobbys to DC. No way out without diplomacy.
 
This is what happens when you depend on one single supplier for your aircraft engines. Problem with Indian govt is there are a bunch of elites who will suck up to US what ever happens. Current govt is no different from congressi govts its jus their color is saffron.
Well, your last statement was perhaps made when you were overtaken by emotions, because the last government kept quiet when terrorists walked in and killed 200 of our people in our own financial capital. This government sent missiles flying on a nuclear power when 26 people died in a conflict zone. So they're not remotely the same.


Anyways resident experts and active members @Ashwin @Parthu @Subgradewalker @Rajput Lion @_Anonymous_ @Shan how likely is it you reckon that the US will scrap GE414 deal and perhaps even put pressure or I daresay even stop GE404 engine deliveries to India? I think such an event will result in India and the US becoming strategic adversaries, this time forever.
 
Well, your last statement was perhaps made when you were overtaken by emotions, because the last government kept quiet when terrorists walked in and killed 200 of our people in our own financial capital. This government sent missiles flying on a nuclear power when 26 people died in a conflict zone. So they're not remotely the same.


Anyways resident experts and active members @Ashwin @Parthu @Subgradewalker @Rajput Lion @_Anonymous_ @Shan how likely is it you reckon that the US will scrap GE414 deal and perhaps even put pressure or I daresay even stop GE404 engine deliveries to India? I think such an event will result in India and the US becoming strategic adversaries, this time forever.
Unlikely. They can delay and leverage it. But after Modi's speech from red fort, they must have gotten the message that their arm twisting will only result in -1 strategic dependence and influence for them without any gains.

They already lost the chinese market.
 
Anyways resident experts and active members @Ashwin @Parthu @Subgradewalker @Rajput Lion @_Anonymous_ @Shan how likely is it you reckon that the US will scrap GE414 deal and perhaps even put pressure or I daresay even stop GE404 engine deliveries to India? I think such an event will result in India and the US becoming strategic adversaries, this time forever.
That would be way up the escalation ladder in terms of tackling the Russo-Ukraine war. It would also signal that the military ties are completely in the cold storage (which would take years to repair). I have my concerns as these are powering the new FAs. However, I think talks will continue and do not have concrete indications that we have reached such a point yet. These tensions have exposed how vulnerable India's supply chain really happens to be. No amount of bravado can cover this fact up. NATO is not fond of the fact that India has continued trade with the Russians. This is the main bone of contention here. They insisted that we halted the trade before they begin their talks with the Russians. Autonomy is the gripe.
 
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Well, your last statement was perhaps made when you were overtaken by emotions, because the last government kept quiet when terrorists walked in and killed 200 of our people in our own financial capital.
so shall we call them as extra 10% sarkar ? current govt makes a lot of noise, they have taken some action on security front. But the fundamentals have not changed. Right from rampant corruption to zero reforms, spending more time on election campaigning than governance this govt more or less is same as old govt albeit they run ultra nationalist discourse (by ministers having kith & kin in US!) but fail to live up to it practically. We are simply stagnating just like we did during congress, there is motion but no progress. In last 10 years all they can boast about is article 370 and ram mandir, I bet they will keep bragging about it for next 20 years.


US will scrap GE414 deal and perhaps even put pressure or I daresay even stop GE404 engine deliveries to India
why will they do it ? they will take the money & make us run around. When US is very well known for arm twisting the cntries who buy their weapons, why did current govt even think of depending on them ? Its just not engines , monkeys in the current govt have bought more equipment from US, which now is going to hard to maintain. US has taken the decision knowing very well that India has no choice.

Modi first courted Xi that ended in disaster, next Trump , that is going to dogs. Next I suppose, russia is going to make a peace deal with US and then cut India out. Need to learn from chinese , they keep their mouth shut and let their work do the talking. Indians talk about things they will do after 10 years!
 
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Anyways resident experts and active members @Ashwin @Parthu @Subgradewalker @Rajput Lion @_Anonymous_ @Shan how likely is it you reckon that the US will scrap GE414 deal and perhaps even put pressure or I daresay even stop GE404 engine deliveries to India? I think such an event will result in India and the US becoming strategic adversaries, this time forever.
Lawl!

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Bye bye F414 and F404!

India should have always chosen RD-33MK from the start. Or M-88-p3. But then ADA and DRDO are ADA and DRDO. LOL!

Anyone who thought relying on US for critical tech was an idiot.

@randomradio Still believe NOT stockpiling engines was a good option? India had 25 years to stock pile F404 and 10 to stock pile F414.

I hate middle class Indians who run India, with a passion. They can never make any good choices.
 
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Next I suppose, russia is going to make a peace deal with US and then cut India out.
Why? What it will gain by cutting India out?
Remember, nations act in their self interest.
They will ask a higher price for their wares and thats okay. Because the season would have changed.

why will they do it ? they will take the money & make us run around.
If Indian south block has an ounce of brain, they will switch to RD-33MK right now. Take all the integration cost and just move. HAL already makes RD-33MK (with critical inputs from Russia).

Heck, I will say stockpile any critical inputs from Russia in a big amount and pay the dollars or whatever Putin demands. Never let someone else set the tempo of your tune.

Need to learn from chinese , they keep their mouth shut and let their work do the talking. Indians talk about things they will do after 10 years!
Nothing to do with anything... Chinese got a good shafting in Trump 1.0. They are still getting shafted by Trump. You learn and live. Public chatter has zero bearing on these things.
 
so shall we call them as extra 10% sarkar ? current govt makes a lot of noise, they have taken some action on security front. But the fundamentals have not changed. Right from rampant corruption to zero reforms, spending more time on election campaigning than governance this govt more or less is same as old govt albeit they run ultra nationalist discourse (by ministers having kith & kin in US!) but fail to live up to it practically. We are simply stagnating just like we did during congress, there is motion but no progress. In last 10 years all they can boast about is article 370 and ram mandir, I bet they will keep bragging about it for next 20 years.



why will they do it ? they will take the money & make us run around. When US is very well known for arm twisting the cntries who buy their weapons, why did current govt even think of depending on them ? Its just not engines , monkeys in the current govt have bought more equipment from US, which now is going to hard to maintain. US has taken the decision knowing very well that India has no choice.

Modi first courted Xi that ended in disaster, next Trump , that is going to dogs. Next I suppose, russia is going to make a peace deal with US and then cut India out. Need to learn from chinese , they keep their mouth shut and let their work do the talking. Indians talk about things they will do after 10 years!
If you think doing actual retaliation against a nuclear country armed by superpowers is mere 10% I have nothing more to say to you. Good day.
Why? What it will gain by cutting India out?
Remember, nations act in their self interest.
They will ask a higher price for their wares and thats okay. Because the season would have changed.


If Indian south block has an ounce of brain, they will switch to RD-33MK right now. Take all the integration cost and just move. HAL already makes RD-33MK (with critical inputs from Russia).

Heck, I will say stockpile any critical inputs from Russia in a big amount and pay the dollars or whatever Putin demands. Never let someone else set the tempo of your tune.


Nothing to do with anything... Chinese got a good shafting in Trump 1.0. They are still getting shafted by Trump. You learn and live. Public chatter has zero bearing on these things.
Well imo South Block should infuse fresh funds to make Kaveri reach GE404ish performance in 2-3 years by making it a strategic programme but oh well.
 
Well imo South Block should infuse fresh funds to make Kaveri reach GE404ish performance in 2-3 years by making it a strategic programme but oh well.
Not possible for another 45 years. Indian metallurgical R&D is total stupid. May be import hot-parts from France or Russia and make Kaveri out of that. France was open for such in past.
 
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