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Hydra said:
That japan is no longer existing now,even that China also no longer existing now. Regime change has happened in both countries after that mentioned horrific incident.

But 1962 🇨🇳 & 🇮🇳 is same in 2025 too, they proved that in 2020 Galwan incident. Also in 2025, by providing crucial intelligence to pak during op Sindoor.
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Huh? For that matter neither Nehru and congress is in power nor Mao is in power anymore. Countries do not work on emotions but on practical reasons.

Hydra said:
India & US is facing the same bully,the China.
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And thats why we have Quad -- a military gathering with US/Japan/Australia.

Hydra said:
So choose who is less evil between china& USA. My pick is USA.
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It's never either or. It's about interests which need to be protected. India's finanacial interests are vulnerable due to hostile American policies. So like quad we will have to join another gathering of countries which help us mitigate that risk.
 
Hydra said:
That japan is no longer existing now,even that China also no longer existing now. Regime change has happened in both countries after that mentioned horrific incident.

But 1962 🇨🇳 & 🇮🇳 is same in 2025 too, they proved that in 2020 Galwan incident. Also in 2025, by providing crucial intelligence to pak during op Sindoor.

India & US is facing the same bully,the China.
So choose who is less evil between china& USA. My pick is USA.
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Biggest bully right now is US, It's aggressive business strategies are bringing chaos in whole world who is already going through peak stress mod. Thus there are more chances that unforeseen challenge may arise soon for whole world, which may lead whole world to spiraling down.

By the way yesterday Trump declared Epstein files as hoax, here we are dealing with person who can go to any length to save his nail.
 
Saaho said:
Not really, it is planning ahead. You think this will end with Trump? Trump is the only first idiot to jump head first into what is essentially an inflatory spiral to bump up American tariff revenue. Remember when Trump 1.0 introduced tariffs on China? On about 350 billion dollars worth of items? They never went away -- even after Biden came into power. For simple reasons, governments do not like to give away revenue. I can bet my top dollar that these tariffs will stay put. They may be lowered a bit but they will not go back to being what they were before.

We need to prepare for a world in which USA is more hostile towards us. We need a payment system which is not controlled by USA or by China -- even if it comes at a cost of dollar getting weaker and hence China getting stronger.

We need a multilateral currency. One that is not tied to USA. And this is the golden opportunity for that.


It is not either or. We can pursue global south and move away from dollar too. No need to levy new tariffs or taxes as it makes our own people suffer.

The problem is not just trade in itself. We hold a lot of dollars in form of Special Drawing Rights. Those are all tied up with American payment systems. If Trump kicks us out of that system ie SWIFT. Our 700 billion dollars worth of reserve becomes worthless and we will face hyperinflation. And before you say its impossible, remember, Trump just beat Canada, EU, UK and Japan, the closest US allies really bad.

Statements have ZERO impact because no one reads them any more. Actions have. Welcome to post diplomacy world.


US establishment and Trump are one and the same. There is no going back to normal from here now on. Trump is just the crazy son of a bitch who showed everyone that bullying works. Now if he dies tomorrow, his policies and strategies will stay put unless US suffers a major blow somewhere else which brings them back to negotiation table.

It's not really Trump vs India, it is US vs India now.

Big tech is not an issue at all. They are businessnes. They will simply follow profit and nothing else. The problem is US government now.


As I said before, it is NOT either OR. You can move away from dollar, hit America where it hurts and focus on domestic too.
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You don't need a brics currency or anything for that. Trade in local currency is already underway. India is successfully pushing for UPI and it's linkage with foreign nations' payment system. Allowing digital trade that is not dependent on current order. But all this happens quietly. Not obnoxiously like declaring a Brics currency and dictating that trade will only happen in that currency. What will happen to our reserves then? The same thing you're being paranoid about is the thing will happen after your approach. Instead, govt is already building platforms and foundation for smooth transition.

USA needs India as much as India needs USA.

As for differentiating between Big Tech and US govt.. they aren't different. Big Tech earns a lot from US govt and US military and history has told us that Big Tech has sided with govt when it comes to country vs country. They are the new US establishment or the power brokers of USA. Earlier it was big oil, big pharma.


It's a blessing in disguise for India if the tarrifs continue. Previous sanctions (1998) led us to focus on infra and economy. This time it can push us to reforms and self reliance.




Saaho said:
As I said before, it is NOT either OR. You can move away from dollar, hit America where it hurts and focus on domestic too.
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We are already moving away from dollar. Asia is. Even for forex.. if you check the composition of our forex, you will see that RBI is actively buying gold as hedge against US dollar. And this isn't post-diplomacy. Diplomacy will always be there. US has been like this since ww2. Nothing new. Trump isn't an odd case. Only difference is that he does it on social media for his family base.
As for hitting where it hurts.. I have already put some points regarding that.

As for either/or.. in an ideal world, your case is strong. But our businessman and politicians like easy money. They would prefer easy profit by exporting over investing in R&D and bet on long term effect. Same with govt. Since history.. our babus and topis have only gotten their act together when there was external pressure acting as a catalyst.
Saaho said:
The problem is not just trade in itself. We hold a lot of dollars in form of Special Drawing Rights. Those are all tied up with American payment systems. If Trump kicks us out of that system ie SWIFT. Our 700 billion dollars worth of reserve becomes worthless and we will face hyperinflation. And before you say its impossible, remember, Trump just beat Canada, EU, UK and Japan, the closest US allies really bad.

Statements have ZERO impact because no one reads them any more. Actions have. Welcome to post diplomacy world.
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You are taking every responsibility on India only when it's more important for China and Russia. Let them do the heavy work of directly fighting it out with USA cause they can afford it. We don't need to. USA was always hostile to us. It has never stopped being hostile. Hostility only went behind curtains at most.

All this talk about beating ally very bad.. there are nuances to it..
First of all.. vietnam, indonesia, bangladesh.. they aren't strong and any deal won't help them in long term. Most of them are export dependent and substantially on US market. They aren't India. Second, there's no information on the actual trade deal besides trumps claims on social media. We don't know what security guarantees USA made to these nations.

So, overall govt is already planning ahead since years ago. Wether it's currency, trade , foreign policy etc. No need to give China breathing space by snatching the limelight from them in USA vs China.
 
@Saaho See below.. this is proactive and planning ahead looks like. Quiet, out of sight, real building blocks.

Ashwin said:

11th Session of India-Russia Working Group on Modernization & Industrial Cooperation held in New Delhi​

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India and Russia reaffirm strategic partnership; sign Protocol to deepen cooperation in aluminium, fertilizers, railways, and mining technology​

Posted On: 06 AUG 2025 6:37PM by PIB Delhi

The 11th Session of the India-Russia Working Group on Modernization and Industrial Cooperation was held today at Vanijya Bhawan, New Delhi, under the framework of the India-Russia Intergovernmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation.

From the Indian side, the session was co-chaired by Secretary, Department for Promotion of Industry and Internal Trade (DPIIT), Ministry of Commerce and Industry, Shri Amardeep Singh Bhatia, and from the Russian side by Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, H.E. Mr. Alexey Gruzdev.

The meeting reviewed the progress made since the 10th session and provided a platform to strengthen cooperation across key sectors. Discussions included updates from the sub-groups on modernization, mining, fertilizers, and railway transport, as well as emerging areas of collaboration.

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Key focus areas included cooperation in aerospace science and technology, including the establishment of a modernized wind tunnel facility, production of small aircraft piston engines, and joint development in carbon fibre technology, additive manufacturing, and 3D printing. Both sides also explored opportunities in rare earth and critical minerals extraction, underground coal gasification, and creation of modern industrial infrastructure.

The two sides welcomed enhanced engagement in aluminium, fertilizers, and railway transport, alongside capacity building and technology transfer in mining sector equipment, exploration, and industrial and domestic waste management.

The meeting concluded with the signing of the Protocol of the 11th Session by both co-chairs, reaffirming the strategic India-Russia partnership and shared commitment to deepen industrial and economic cooperation.

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The session saw participation from around 80 delegates representing both sides, including senior government officials, domain experts, and representatives from industry.
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Subgradewalker said:
You don't need a brics currency or anything for that. Trade in local currency is already underway.
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This is false. India is paying for Russian oil in Chinese Yuan and AED these days. India's one major issue was not being able to pay Russia in a currency that it can freely use for paying for its imports.

Subgradewalker said:
India is successfully pushing for UPI and it's linkage with foreign nations' payment system.
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Again false. UPI is merely a payment interface not a currency or financial system. It will not help if US decides to stop honouring Indian SDRs.

Subgradewalker said:
Allowing digital trade that is not dependent on current order.
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I do not know what do you mean by "digital trade".

Subgradewalker said:
But all this happens quietly. Not obnoxiously like declaring a Brics currency and dictating that trade will only happen in that currency.
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Nothing remains quiet. India Russia oil deal was supposedly quiet but it is widely reported now. Nothing can remain "quiet" as it is always reported.

Subgradewalker said:
What will happen to our reserves then?
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What about it? We will also keep some BRICS currency in it to settle demand for that currency. Just like we do with USD.

Subgradewalker said:
The same thing you're being paranoid about is the thing will happen after your approach. Instead, govt is already building platforms and foundation for smooth transition.
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No. A multiparty financial system can not be stopped unilaterally like US does it. Right now, Trump can kick India out of SWIFT system because currency concerned is USD so settlement has to happen by SWIFT. With a multilateral banking system, no single party is in control of entire banking ssystem.

Subgradewalker said:
USA needs India as much as India needs USA.
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USA right now is suicidal and I do not think India should form a suicide pact with USA.

Subgradewalker said:
@Saaho See below.. this is proactive and planning ahead looks like. Quiet, out of sight, real building blocks.
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Unrelated and it's bilateral. This is not financial system or a currency.

Subgradewalker said:
We are already moving away from dollar. Asia is. Even for forex.. if you check the composition of our forex, you will see that RBI is actively buying gold as hedge against US dollar.
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Gold is not really a currency. You can not for instance get a loan of gold for more than gold your bank holds. The moment you start circulating more gold than you have physically, you are just reinventing financial system -- tokens against gold holdings.

Subgradewalker said:
It's a blessing in disguise for India if the tarrifs continue. Previous sanctions (1998) led us to focus on infra and economy. This time it can push us to reforms and self reliance.
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Well, this time dollar itself should be replaced with a common currency like Euro, except for non-Europeans. That is essentially BRICS currency.

Subgradewalker said:
As for either/or.. in an ideal world, your case is strong. But our businessman and politicians like easy money. They would prefer easy profit by exporting over investing in R&D and bet on long term effect. Same with govt. Since history.. our babus and topis have only gotten their act together when there was external pressure acting as a catalyst.
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Nothing to do with easy or hard money. Nothing to do with R&D etc. It is just ensuring that we are not held hostage with a hostile USA.

Subgradewalker said:
You are taking every responsibility on India only when it's more important for China and Russia. Let them do the heavy work of directly fighting it out with USA cause they can afford it. We don't need to. USA was always hostile to us. It has never stopped being hostile. Hostility only went behind curtains at most.
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Actually, it is the other way round. Russia and China are more ahead in a common financial system. India publicly said that it is not seeking a replacement for dollars and it seems that it is not that. For sanctions and secondary sanctions to loose their value, we need to move away from dollar based trade settlement, which is a common currency is all about.
 
Saaho said:
Huh? For that matter neither Nehru and congress is in power nor Mao is in power anymore. Countries do not work on emotions but on practical reasons.
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Read the history, during ww2 Japan was imperial japan and china was not communist one. Now china is a communist dictatorship and japanese are democratic. FYI india is democratic in 1962,and china is communist.
Saaho said:
And thats why we have Quad -- a military gathering with US/Japan/Australia.
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So we don't need to form any alliance against US by holding Chinese had,as you said.
 
Saaho said:
It's never either or. It's about interests which need to be protected. India's finanacial interests are vulnerable due to hostile American policies. So like quad we will have to join another gathering of countries which help us mitigate that risk.
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India's financial interest is not vulnerable not just because of USA,but because of indian policy too.
 

India pauses plans to buy U.S. arms after Trump's tariffs​


NEW DELHI, Aug 8 (Reuters) - New Delhi has put on hold its plans to procure new U.S. weapons and aircraft, according to three Indian officials familiar with the matter, in India's first concrete sign of discontent after tariffs imposed on its exports by President Donald Trump dragged ties to their lowest level in decades.
India had been planning to send Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to Washington in the coming weeks for an announcement on some of the purchases, but that trip has been cancelled, two of the people said.
 
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