LCA Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A - News and discussions
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video report , the 2 videos are prob the same report , could not find amca
I'm happy that the finish and built quality has improved so much from the initial versions that now it looks like western aircrafts, hope we make a tejas mk3 with redesigned intakes like how the intakes of hornet was redesigned into the superhornet version.
Hopefully we sign F404 deal for 97MK1A soon. Despite Trump's tantrums, we must continue to engage with the Americans for defence items(except fighter jets which are a strict no no).
Can anybody explain why the fighters serial number 5041 have already been rolled out, but the 5038 is still on the assembly line?
(Sorry if it is a stupid ques)
Line probably got cut so a babu can get his cut.
Rest of employees must be on dharna somewhere cause wings made by L&T were better than they thought and now they fear losing their relevance
You all really think a regular day to day work is shown in those videos with a camera filming the same, in a psu defence workshop where in and out are strictly controlled?
Everyone laughing at HAL, domestic and international. It will take a decade to salvage any reputation they had. But they seem to be serious now with 11 Mk1a assembled.
As a govt psu they are not really bothered much. Their world is entirely mod and user power corridor centric. its the vurrent govt that push for export hence they go yes sir we are working ie hiring people to passively promote in some countries. The aggressive marketing mindset will never come to them unlike the chinese state controlled org.
Our psu are in their own comfort zone because every incumbent Govt see them as vote bank rather than MIC or industrial arm. Hence the competitive edge is missing, the one part where its dog eat dog mentality is lobbying and pushing for own promotion.
very sad day
Indian Govt clears rs 62,000 crore deal for 97 Tejas Mk1A fighters.
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Indian Govt clears rs 62,000 crore deal for 97 Tejas Mk1A fighters.
news in full
As long as it's limited to Tejas, it's fine.
It's the second part of the last line that horrified me. No, Nada, Never. Keep em to periphery of consultations and ToT if any.
Invite startups as part of the project for insights too. Industry visits by academic institutions etc.. but no HAL!!
Sadly, besides HAL, there is no other company in India that can produce fighter jets. We have to make do with HAL until at least 2035, as then the private players for AMCA production will be ready.
But that's the whole point of Hal-Private partnership for Tejas components.
The jvs of our industries with foreign OEM for fuselages, Civilian aircraft etc.
Startups coming for in metallurgy with good investment drives.
The management of advanced, precision manufacturing from semicon fabs (one of the most advanced when it comes to precision).
The negative import lists of several components that led to sub component makers which are used in plethora of systems.
Engine Jv which again most likely involve a private player as industry partner.
Then you've got academia, the young engineers and scientists eager to go into R&D.
I mean HAL can be there to provide consultancy and facilities required for R&D in initial phases untill private players get it built.
Then you've got DRDO which basically makes most of the weapons/systems that went into Tejas and will go into AMCA.
HAL actually doesn't have much beside license from several foreign OEM. It doesn't even have the capacity to take the orders for AMCA. Nor does it have the credibility it.
Whereas, you've got
a) L&T for precision and experience and experience with Navy ecosystem.
b) TASL for setting up a fab in record time showing proper management and negotiations ( with govt help ofc)
c) TASL making fuselages for Rafael
d) The sheer money and corporate fierceness Reliance has to thwart espionage and make the program successfull at any cost and hire the best of the best out there.
e) Adani with his ties to international corporates, especially Israeli aerospace and battle hardened from Hindenburg attack and counterattack.
f) You've have JSW that's setting up plants to make higher grade steels which will bring sophisticated technology impacting other things.
g) You've got a fckn IT industry that has been contributing to making world class softwares. Set up a dedicated team of Software engineers for R&D along with DRDO. Like how USA does through secure buildings .
h) You've got IITs making some breakthrough in secure communications. Adding to experience from the semi-indigenous 5G infra.
Now I remember reading regularly about small players in niche technology who are taking in investments to increase quality and production.
you've got a plant for superalloys in UP recently.
So, exactly what does HAL have that makes it the inevitable leader of AMCA project? The Legacy? The already over-booked orderbook that it's having troubles with?
Workforce with hands-on experience right? What is it that Ambani can't give them that they are getting at HAL as an individual. HAL as an organisation is powerfull in leverage.. it's individual employees aren't any better than average govt employee.
Heck.. Ambani might as well hire Indians who migrated at premium salary that they rightfully deserve.
As for screwdriver giri.. our private industry was no better. It has mastered that art decades before HAL did. Now they can and are stepping up to higher value chain. Advantages being that they don't have to be bound by recruitment system of govt.
As for the timelines.. it would be naive and delusional to think that a HAL led AMCA will meet it's deadlines anyway. So, fasten private entry and let them have a go at it as soon and as much as possible.
Did I miss something?
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