GTRE Kaveri Engine

ShiroBarks said:
Did people miss the "M88" or something, 105 kN at most

There is a pretty good chance it's for LCA Mk2

Should get it into production in 3-4 years
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If I'm not mistaken @Picdelamirand-oil informed us long ago the M-88 could be upgraded to 120 KN wet thrust . Either that version was developed in the form of a prototype or studies were carried out to that effect.

GE F-414 is coming . It's just haggling over the price & T&C which is holding up the agreement. We've gone too far down the road to reconsider . So unless there's a black swan event , you can expect the contract to be signed by the end of this year.
 
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ShiroBarks said:
Did people miss the "M88" or something, 105 kN at most

There is a pretty good chance it's for LCA Mk2

Should get it into production in 3-4 years
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Do you see a contract for the AMCA engine signed after 4-5 years of negotiation? No. Now you expect a new one to be signed/developed retrofitted to LCA Mk2 next 5 years?

Adding a new engine to the mk2 is a bad idea that will cause significant delays to the overall program, which we cannot afford.
 
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ShiroBarks said:
Did people miss the "M88" or something, 105 kN at most

There is a pretty good chance it's for LCA Mk2

Should get it into production in 3-4 years
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Most here won't beilieve you until it happens. Till then you would be shrugged off as an optimist or as simply a story-teller. Don't fret them:)

Anyways, as I already said in one of my posts that now we're in a serious discussion with the French regarding alternate engines for both LCA MK2 & AMCA MK1. Reason is that GOI is going to procure Su-57s in huge numbers and that may p*ss off the already unreliable Americans. So we need an alternative engines until we get both our own Kaveri 2.0 & 6th gen turbofan JV ready.

PS: It's still plan B though as GE engines remain our number one priority. Like it or not, no one designs engines as good as the Americans. Let's see.......
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
If I'm not mistaken @Picdelamirand-oil informed us long ago the M-88 could be upgraded to 120 KN wet thrust . Either that version was developed in the form of a prototype or studies were carried out to that effect.

GE F-414 is coming . It's just haggling over the price & T&C which is holding up the agreement. We've gone too far down the road to reconsider . So unless there's a black swan event , you can expect the contract to be signed by the end of this year.
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No, what I said was that the M88 core was designed to develop a family of engines rather than a single engine, and that the family could range from 7.5 to 11 tonnes of thrust. But that was with 20-year-old technology, whereas we can see that T-REX technology improves the performance of the M88, and what's more, the AMCA will require a variable dilution ratio, which increases thrust when high ratios are used. So draw up your specifications and the industry will be able to meet them.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:
No, what I said was that the M88 core was designed to develop a family of engines rather than a single engine, and that the family could range from 7.5 to 11 tonnes of thrust. But that was with 20-year-old technology, whereas we can see that T-REX technology improves the performance of the M88, and what's more, the AMCA will require a variable dilution ratio, which increases thrust when high ratios are used. So draw up your specifications and the industry will be able to meet them.
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Thanks for the clarification. Is the T-REX an Alternate / Variable Cycle Engine ( ACE / VCE ) ?

Or is the TF for the upcoming FCAS project going to derive from the T-REX ?
 
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Thanks for the clarification. Is the T-REX an Alternate / Variable Cycle Engine ( ACE / VCE ) ?

Or is the TF for the upcoming FCAS project going to derive from the T-REX ?
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No the T-REX is the same engine as the M88-4 curently used on Rafale but with NEFE technologies (NGF engine). It is modular like M88-4 and it's modules are compatible between the two! Ngf demonstrator will also use a M-88 of 11 t thrust but serial NGF will have variable cycle engine.
 
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murtyn459 said:
There is a lengthy article today at alpha defence .in by Mr Srivatsa RV with the caption "Testbeds can not be Foreign Assets". Very detailed article arguing about the urgent necessity for having a flying test bed and recommending for IL-76. Those who ever are interested may read the article at Testbeds Cannot be Foreign Assets - alphadefense.in
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Absolutely. Even though Russia is helping us here but having our own FTB is absolutely imperative if we want to develop and operationalize our own turbofan engines. Time for GOI to open their purse strings:)
 
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There is a lengthy article today at alpha defence .in by Mr Srivatsa RV with the caption "Testbeds can not be Foreign Assets". Very detailed article arguing about the urgent necessity for having a flying test bed and recommending for IL-76. Those who ever are interested may read the article at Testbeds Cannot be Foreign Assets - alphadefense.in
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It is surprising for a country which wants to build LCA, AMCA, MRT...etc all sorts of aircraft they dont want to invest in necessary infra. They are not thinking about this as necessary long term investment but see this as one off useless charge.
 
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murtyn459 said:
In the entire video, hardly any information is given on Kaveri except that the Kaveru Derivative test completed 75 hours in Russia successfully.
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Right. It seems I have been lenient in my wording "A few updates regarding Kaveri and other projects by DDR:" An update for Kaveri around 26:30 mins or so for Kaveri followers as this is a Kaveri thread. You may ignore other chatter. Hope that's better.
 
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PTC's subsidiary ATL signs MOU with Safran to develop military aircraft engine components in India.

India-based Aerolloy Technologies Limited (ATL) and Safran Aircraft Engines announce the signature of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to develop cooperation on the manufacturing of components and materials for military aircraft engines.

ATL is a wholly owned subsidiary of PTC Industries Limited, specialized in the manufacturing of castings and materials for aerospace applications. Safran Aircraft Engines is engaged, inter alia, in the design, development, production, and maintenance of civil and military engines.

This MOU reflects a commitment to the Indian Government’s “Make in India” policy, marking additional steps toward Safran Aircraft Engines’ ambition to develop a comprehensive aero engine ecosystem in India, and ATL’s growing role in the indigenous production of critical aerospace components as well.

Based on an approach considering the aeronautics ecosystem from a global civil and military perspective,such cooperation for military aircraft engines is actually made possible thanks to the collaboration already implemented over the years between ATL and Safran Aircraft Engines for commercial LEAP engines.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937802218805051735
 
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