Operation Sindoor: India Strikes Terroist Camps Inside Pakitsan

safriz said:
In other news . French are confirming the shooting down of at least one Indian Rafale, and are worried about own security based on that.
Have a read. This is from their parliament.

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Question écrite n° 6745

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Hope you are able to translate it and read it, Its just a question by member... may be paid by chinese PLA. It's common sense no govt will crticize their own product infront of the world.
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Steno Shishir is here with the unofficial government version of the take aways of Operation Sindoor.

Makes very interesting opening remarks on Operation Spider Web prosecuted by the Ukrainians on Russia.

While there was an intelligence failure on the part of Russia , apparently the reason those strategic bombers were lying in the open without protection was because of terms of certain treaties like START etc the former USSR & its successor state Russia signed with the US under which all those bombers were supposed to be lying in the open for easy verification by space based assets for the numbers as well as the fact that in case of any unauthorised movement it could be spotted & preventive action taken .

He's of the opinion this would have major ramifications on all those treaties . What this also means is that the Europeans are behind this move to inveigle the US back into backing Ukraine in the war for this move doesn't benefit the Ukrainians in any way other than what's suggested !
 
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Steno Shishir is here with the unofficial government version of the take aways of Operation Sindoor.

Makes very interesting opening remarks on Operation Spider Web prosecuted by the Ukrainians on Russia.

While there was an intelligence failure on the part of Russia , apparently the reason those strategic bombers were lying in the open without protection was because of terms of certain treaties like START etc the former USSR & its successor state Russia signed with the US under which all those bombers were supposed to be lying in the open for easy verification by space based assets for the numbers as well as the fact that in case of any unauthorised movement it could be spotted & preventive action taken .

He's of the opinion this would have major ramifications on all those treaties . What this also means is that the Europeans are behind this move to inveigle the US back into backing Ukraine in the war for this move doesn't benefit the Ukrainians in any way other than what's suggested !
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Russia suspended the New START Treaty on 21 February 2023, and it was the only remaining agreement on strategic arms limitation, so there were no longer any obligations of any kind to excuse Russian mistakes.

Russia Suspends New START​

 
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safriz said:
I guess nations should stop investing in more and more expensive fighter jets
It's the age of UAV drones .
How Ukraine is fighting Russia is an example

SU 57 on Indian side or J 35 on Pakistan side , cant do better than a swarm drone.

Unless this new threat is successfully countered, buying ever so expensive planes is useless.

Far less money can be invested in building better drones or better defense against drones.
That will give better results than any stealth aircraft.
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Stealth Aircraft are High Maintenance planes

Look at F 35 , it is practically a Hangar queen

Right now Only US and China can afford Stealth planes because of the high costs involved

Long Range SAMs and Counter Stealth Radars can help India a lot

With S 400 we have already managed to push away your
DA 20 ELectronic Attack aircraft and AWACS away from our border

And You have seen what missiles can do

It is the Missiles Drones and Bombs which will destroy enemy assets not fancy Jets
 
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safriz said:
Pounded or not.
This situation is baked into Pakistani war strategy.
We are a tiny stripe on the west of a very wide country.
The enemy can reach any part of Pakistan in short time, due to Pakistan being a narrow country.
But not that easy for Pakistan to reach east or even mid of India.
That's a fact, and baked into war strategy.
So no surprise here.
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But you can not reach Amrutsar 35 k.m. from Indo Pak border. We reached wherever we wanted to.
 
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safriz said:
I guess nations should stop investing in more and more expensive fighter jets
It's the age of UAV drones .
How Ukraine is fighting Russia is an example

SU 57 on Indian side or J 35 on Pakistan side , cant do better than a swarm drone.

Unless this new threat is successfully countered, buying ever so expensive planes is useless.

Far less money can be invested in building better drones or better defense against drones.
That will give better results than any stealth aircraft.
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We don't know were Pakistan gonna headed after this, but we have our plan's, works have already started, project kusa is on fast track, kusa will be the back bone of India air defence,
M1-150km, M2-250km, M3-400km, and layered air defence gonna be strengthen more with qrsam, akash NG, VLSRSAM, LRSAM, Sudharshan AA guns, VSHORDS,
And there Big boy's, 50W DEW 100W DEW, capable of intercepting missiles & artillery shells, which are gonna make debut from 2026 onwards,
And two big boy's already have made public appearances, both are mission mode project, LRAShM by Navy, BM-04 by army,
The AMCA May make take it's time,
But these two are already here for AD/AA roles, both can achieve terminal Speed of Mach-10, that's more than enough to destroy anything in the ground
 

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safriz said:
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By showing evidence of shooting down 6x IAF jets and 1x High altitude UAV, by using actual fighter jets. Not like India who was reduced to playing drone drone like Yemen against Israel and Ukraine against Russia.


Plus all the airbases India claims to have "Destroyed" are within public view ,cand people can see what's destroyed and what's not
Nur khan attack was Storm Shadow. 2x .
Missed target. At least one was found on public road near the base

Rafiqui in Shorkot and Shahbaz in Bholari, were Brahmos attacks.
Total distance from launcher to targets was less than 300 km .
At Mach 3 the missile reached target in less than 5 minutes.
The bases are still there , and operational and the little damage is repairable.
That's an achievement on its own, defending in such a short response time.
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Base will always remained there. You are talking as if India claimed that we evaporated whole base literally and There is a 200 acre wide 200 feet deep cater is there. We hit whatever was necessary to render it useless for war like command center, Air strip, storage depot etc. We do not want to his building with toiled in it to show damage.
 
Rajput Lion said:
LIkely few Scalp-EGs were intercepted but intercepting BrahMos-A was beyond Pak ADS' capability. They got pounded very bad this time around and they know it. Will they admit it though? Nope. Not in their culture to accept and admit defeat. So no point arguing with people like these, IMO.
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When first attack was done, whole Pakistan air defense was intact. At that time, it was officially said that 23 missiles were fired and all of them hit the target with pin point accuracy. in next attack, air defense were eliminated. So with what, did Pakistan intercepted Indian missiles? There was only a time on 6th of night when Pakistan could have intercepted Indian missiles. They could not do that at that time. How can they do it latter and with what did they intercepted Indian missiles? Pakistan has a habit of creating the story. Had they intercepted the Indian missiles, why they are saying all this after one month? They should have declared it right at that time.
 
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Hope you are able to translate it and read it, Its just a question by member... may be paid by chinese PLA. It's common sense no govt will crticize their own product infront of the world.
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It's not unusual to ask yourself if there is or not a problem with one of your weapon. It is safe.

But If it seems indeed that one Rafale was lost (due to missile? if yes with Spectra ON or OFF? breakdown? short of fuel? pilot error?) but the second phase of the air strike was a big win for IAF.
 
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Bon Plan said:
It's not unusual to ask yourself if there is or not a problem with one of your weapon. It is safe.

But If it seems indeed that one Rafale was lost (due to missile? if yes with Spectra ON or OFF? breakdown? short of fuel? pilot error?) but the second phase of the air strike was a big win for IAF.
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Everyone is waiting for the post op briefing so that the details may come out. Let's see when that comes out.
 
safriz said:
I guess nations should stop investing in more and more expensive fighter jets
It's the age of UAV drones .
How Ukraine is fighting Russia is an example

SU 57 on Indian side or J 35 on Pakistan side , cant do better than a swarm drone.

Unless this new threat is successfully countered, buying ever so expensive planes is useless.

Far less money can be invested in building better drones or better defense against drones.
That will give better results than any stealth aircraft.
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India is working on AURA/Ghatak. A jet powered bomber drone. Almost Every component of it is Indian. Should be okay.
 
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Defc0n said:
www.firstpost.com

India issues NOTAM for large-scale air exercise along Indo-Pak border in Rajasthan for June 7-8

The exercise, set to take place in Rajasthan near the International Border, is part of the IAF’s regular operational readiness drills but comes at a time of elevated tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbours
www.firstpost.com www.firstpost.com

@Hellfire did mention 8th June! 😂
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Lol, it is old Notam; they just changed the month name from May to June. From the article :
"India announced last week that it was closing its airspace to all Pakistani-registered and military aircraft from April 30 to May 23."

"In a parallel move, Pakistan declared a temporary No-Fly Zone over Islamabad and Lahore through May 2, reportedly amid fears of a possible Indian airstrike. The measure reflects growing concern within Pakistan’s military establishment as both nations maintain heightened military readiness."
 
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