Nirbhay Family of Subsonic Cruise Missiles : News and Discussions
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In the program the ex DRDO scientist said this LACM version got typical standard INS system, as opposed to TERCOM of any air launched cruise system. That made sense to me , given the range of 1000km+ and launched from ground you can use INS based navigation system with waypoint more accurately , compared to power consuming active tercom mode. The air launched version can use terrain matching system when ready, which is in development phase. Perhaps the future generation system will have it. Most of these systems are GOST standardized products we make.
Brahmos has had INS+GPS (SoC-based) for years so it's only a matter of time before Nirbhay/LRLACM gets it too. TERCOM will depend on the target set that the user has in mind. For example, if they want something like Brahmos Block-3 to hit hardened targets (located in the mountains) at longer ranges. Subsonic CMs are terrain hugging by default to avoid detection so TERCOM would have to be on ADE's product road map.
IMO, IN won't put additional UVLM on the capital ships instead the present arrangement will share the Brahmos and LRLACM together.
Do we have that kind of space? I expect some VL SRSAM modules to be strapped on P15 and P17s once they are accepted. But ULVMs would be difficult.
We desperately a desi Mk41/Sylver style UVLS. Too much space being left unutilized on DDG/FFG class ships currently.
Reportedly, the IN has asked for a redesign of the VLS for VLSRSAM on weight grounds.
That should give us an idea of how close we are to fielding a true-blue UVLS.
Reportedly, the IN has asked for a redesign of the VLS for VLSRSAM on weight grounds.
That should give us an idea of how close we are to fielding a true-blue UVLS.
Omg, it doesn't have tercom too. I was thinking that it only lacks Magnetic contour maping ability.
Iam starting to realize even Navy doesn't know what its doing sometimes. Even Tier-2 Nations have fielded VLS and these chaps are still playing cat and mouse game with DRDO. Why does everything needs to be reinvented everytime DRDO does something?
My gut instinct telling me that this is just prequel that clueless Navy gonna play Cat and Mouse game with DRDO in regarding VLS that we gonna squander our opportunity even with Project-18 and field a half assed ship humiliating ourself, first they will ask for VLS of X inches then they realize they don't have any Missiles other than VL-SRSAM to launch from it and then they will be back to square one.
Quite the contrary. The IN has been the only service with skin in the game when it comes to developing new systems.
It has set up structures like NIIO to hand hold developers from IDEX et all and the in-house talent from org's like WEESEE is among the best we have.
But they seem to stick to tried and tested stuff like RBU-6000 even though that thing is a relic by today's standards.
It's pretty clear they can't get new ships fast enough and so they'll have to figure out a way to minimize scope creep and dev delays.
It has set up structures like NIIO to hand hold developers from IDEX et all and the in-house talent from org's like WEESEE is among the best we have.
But they seem to stick to tried and tested stuff like RBU-6000 even though that thing is a relic by today's standards.
It's pretty clear they can't get new ships fast enough and so they'll have to figure out a way to minimize scope creep and dev delays.
Yeas definitely, but you should call apade a spade.
iI am talking against those who advocated that Nirbhay is inducted.
Specifications
- Range: 1000 km
- Altitude: 10 m min, 5 to 6 km max
- Speed: 0.5 to 0.7 Mach
- Power plant: Indigenous STFE
- Launch Platform:
- Ground Mobile Launcher
- Ship-based UVLM
Users
- Tri-services
Project Classification
- Mission Mode (MM)
Milestones Achieved
- Flight of Indigenous STFE
- Missile Ejection Trials
- First flight of LR-LACM 01
- Static & Dynamic testing of PCB warheads
Targets Ahead
- 5 or more launches by Dec 2026
AoN
- 317 Nos
The DAC approved LR-LACM project is progressing well with two DcPP partners onboard viz. BDL & BEL (Godrej)
First flight of LR-LACM-01 was conducted on 12th Nov 2024 from ITR, Chandipur. Rep. Tri-services witnessed the launch.
Specifications
- Range: 750 km (for Anti-Ship)
- Altitude: 10 m min to 6 km max
- Speed: 0.5 to 0.7 Mach
- Power Plant: Indigenous STFE
- Launch Platform: Torpedo Tube
Users
- Navy
Project Classification
- Mission Mode (MM)
Milestones Achieved
- 04 Pontoon launches completed
- Closure with a control system proven on LRLACM
Targets Ahead
- Submarine launches scheduled in Oct 2024 and Feb 2025
Status Notes
Pontoon Launch of SL03 Mission completed on 08th Feb 2024 and SL04 pontoon launch on 26th April 2024.
Future blocks of this cruise missile must have a stealth optimized design with low observable shaping, radar absorbent materials, and fin configuration to significantly reduce radar cross section while preserving range, payload, and reliability , making sure it remains effective against modern integrated air defense systems in contested environments......at the same time we must target no fewer than 10,000 units at minimum.
Imo, we need air launched version, specifically air launched nuclear version. Air deterent with gravity bombs wont cut it anymore.
what the heck is this obsession with stealth shaping ? this goes for a distance of 1000km with min 10m altitude, will cruise easily at 0.7 mach in a 200-500m altitude which is damn low + have good ram coating likely. That is enough for stealth. The flight envelope itself indicate it will have both terrain contour mapping , radar altimeter & a good low observable feature is built in.