It would not be post 2030, first delivery will be in 2027 and 15% will be at the signature. And finally there are financial tools to have a cover, it costs but therefore we know how to calculate the total cost of the project.
MMRCA 2.0 - Updates and Discussions
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Why do u think it's impossible?, am i living in a parallel universe?
Least of the all the factors to worry about.
There is still an Indian partner.
They can do many things.
Heck we were ready to buy Palm oil for selling Tejas. U think France has nothing to buy from India?
We will have to buy equipments and services in India to build Rafale and Falcon and to pay employees. And the Falcons will be sold in $.
Dassault doesn't care about dollars. € would be preferred, but ₹ would be perfectly acceptable. After all, DRAL needs to spend rupees...
That's a misunderstanding, AFAIK. The infrastructure part of he contract was for accommodations for 72 aircraft across two bases (36 + 36), not 72 aircraft in each of both bases.
They will need to hire. If they need to hire, then they cannot fire. They would prefer putting up a second line outside France.
French Dassault vs US Boeing — Mega fighter deal for IAF & Indian Navy could be split
Instead of acquiring 114 fighters in one go as planned earlier, govt looking at going in for an initial order of 54 aircraft for IAF. Navy looking at buying 26.theprint.in
New Delhi: The Narendra Modi government is looking at splitting the mega deal for 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF) into two separate orders, even as the Navy pursues its own fighter aircraft acquisition programme, ThePrint has learnt.
Sources in the Indian defence and security establishment said that instead of acquiring 114 fighters in one go, as was planned earlier, the government is looking at going in for an initial order of 54 aircraft for the IAF.
This would involve 18 fighters being bought off-the-shelf from the foreign Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and 36 being built in India through a joint venture under Make In India.
This would be an order that will be placed with the foreign OEM directly.
Asked what happens to the subsequent need for the IAF, the sources said that a follow-on order will be placed to the joint venture and this deal would be in Indian currency.
While sources refused to speculate on whether there would be a global tender that will be issued, the main players for the IAF deal will be American firm Boeing, and Dassault Aviation of France.
It's unclear which report is true. But the Print one could be an opinion rather than news compared to the Financial Times.
Regardless, as mentioned, any such deal will include follow-on options. So the IAF will just get to their planned numbers in a different way if this happens.
There is no risk. We have already discussed this. Of the 57 jets, 1 squadron would come as flyaway and the other two would be assembled in India. ToT would be released incrementally as more orders come in, as it would be the case even with a larger deal.
The AK-203 deal also starts off with 5% localisation before moving up to 100%.
5-15% for first 20000, then 15-30% for the next 20000, then 30-70% for the next 40000, followed by 70-100% for 40000, post which all guns will be 100%.
So it will start with 0% for the first squadron, 15-30% for the second and third, then 30-50% for the next 2 followed by 50-70% for all new orders. There is no risk involved here.
The GTG for Rafale won't make it more expensive. It will be a problem if some other jet wins.
Lol, no relation. It's how tenders operate. HAL gets paid in rupees, so will DRAL.
I find the article questionable because it uses the figure of 36 and 54, ie 18 jets per squadron, when the IAF wants 38 and 57, ie, 19 jets per squadron. We will have the answer very soon, so no loss.
The IAF has facilities for 72 jets, not 144.
The Real question that needs to be asked and answered is whether the
SAFRAN 110 kn engine deal will move forward
That is if we buy only 54 or 57 Rafales
There is, otherwise the deal would have already happened. Dassault cannot be certain that GoI will not pull another MiG29-esque stunt again (which killed off further orders for M2K) due to one political compulsion or the other. Neither can we...nobody knows what the future holds and the current Govt is as headless & clueless as any before it.
Besides, Dassault also knows they don't have to go as easy as they did pre-2016...now that we've already bought into Rafale platform & spent billions modifying it & building infrastructure for it, any other option would prove extremely cost-prohibitive for MoD. So Dassault can play hardball wrt pricing & ToT.
They've already said in the article that ToT isn't possible without a 100-jet order at one go. And if the ToT negotiations break down, we'll have no option but to go for another off the shelf batch. Dassault wins either way & they know it, which is why they don't need to budge on their standpoint. They hold some cards now.
This does not put French tech at risk, in fact it's the opposite. With 36 + 57 alone, Dassault will have to build a pretty sizable spares industry in India anyway. More orders means more ToT. No orders means no ToT. Like, we do not need full ToT for the engine and airframe if we don't plan on building more Rafales, all we need is spares production. It will limit the IAF's flexibility, but Dassault would get away with a massive 93 jet order without having handed over much ToT and we will still be dependent on their supplies. Dassault wins gloriously if this happens. Even more so if they win the IN's deal.
They have signed a contract. The GTG prevents taking advantage of each other outright like that. And the MRFA is a sizable program, almost effectively doubles AAE orders, so they are going to deal with it seriously. There's not gonna be much room for silly games too, since the L2 can always be brought in if negotiations with L1 fail, new rules.
Follow-on orders = follow-on ToT. Of the 272 MKIs we bought, only 60 were actually made in India, the rest were flyaway or kits. As long as the FOEMs think a deal is worthwhile, ToT can be brought in for any half-decent number. ToT also has a lot to do with the ability to absorb it. And with 36 jets already in the bag, Dassault may find itself to be much more flexible than other FOEMs, especially with Indian labour being cheaper thereby more profitable.
The Engine deal Negotiation or Talks , is a Direct Result of
An impending Large Follow On order for Rafales
By the way , there are 2 " anomalies " here
1 BAE systems offering Engine Technology but we are Not interested in Eurofighter
2 US is pushing for F 18 but NOT offering any Engine technology
Now what if France says that SAFRAN deal happens ONLY if you buy 114 RAFALES
No, this engine deal is independent from MRFA or even the Rafale GTG. There may have been attempts to link it with GTG offsets, probably has happened, but there's no relation between buying more Rafales and developing the engine.