It's a vague statement not on Rafale.
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Nothing but more jumla. The amount of drama that has been going in the name of 36 Rafale's is pathetic.
The mrfa isn't happening. Entire air force is a joke. Just tokenism for his next election.
For France, in its ten-year history, India has managed to go from 'contract of the century' to 'ordinary customer'.
Vietnam used to be a French colony, and now the Vietnamese language has been transformed by the French.I don't believe Vietnam is friendly enough with France to actually commit to a deep relationship, like they can with the US or India. It's a more commercial relationship. The common China threat is bringing the two countries closer, but India has been Vietnam's strategic partner for 4 decades. A benefit of both countries being close to the SU.
I am simply saying Vietnam's not gonna buy 50-100 Rafales for France, but could do so for India.
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India basically has enough access to Vietnam's ports and naval bases that there's no limit to how many ships we can station there "temporarily". Meaning, we need to negotiate the duration of the stay, but there's no upper limit.
France should have told Indian Government that PM Modi 's visit to France will happen ONLY if more RAFALES are ordered
Jaitapur is stuck for so many years. Spineless 300 in Delhi can do nothing about it.France should have told Indian Government that PM Modi 's visit to France will happen ONLY if more RAFALES are ordered
Getting the 6 EPR could have meant we cut down our reliance on China for Nuclear Power Plant Engineering Imports. That import is bigger than many of us realise.
One side is corrupt and one side is incompetent. We are stuck.
Not so long back when i criticized GOI (not IAF, the fault of not signing mmrca 2 /1 lies with GOI) for the sluggish nature of doing things, you ask me query "why you are so pessimistic " or similar words. Glad that you finally coming to the realms of reality.
Do we import Nuclear Power plant Components or Machinery
From CHINA
As far as I know , we are making
6 Reactors at Kudunkulam with
Russia
Others are all indigenous PHWR reactors
France knows very well that there are two things that do not work with India. The first is expecting punctuality, the second is attempting blackmail.France should have told Indian Government that PM Modi 's visit to France will happen ONLY if more RAFALES are ordered
The reactors are not of China , but a large amount of sub systems are imported from China. Infact machinery and sub systems for power plants (Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydro and Coal) are huge. They are probably the largest import components after Electrical/Electronics.
Shows 150-190 years of colonial rule is a failure, they (Europeans) failed impose punctuality or being on time on us.
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Co Production of RAFALES
Brah, France has more than Rafales.
A good product will always find buyers, but it's the volumes that count. And companies always go for future prospects. Not to mention the fact that the 36-jet deal has subsidised DRAL's production line meant to tap into the civilian market. So it still remains the contract of the century.
The British don't have as much power in India either. I don't think the past has much to do when it comes to making decisions in the present for countries. The US also almost attacked India in 1971.
An indigenisation process is in the works and our new fleet mode reactor plan will help achieve 100% indigenisation.
Said this earlier, where mmrca2 is ultimately going. Those who are telling its just a generic comment from an HAL employee, just remember these things. He said no new engine for MKI & inhouse upgradation , mki is not getting new engine. Proposed ALH variant as NUH, navy is going behind it. LUH instead of KA226,we know what's happening now. TEDBF instead of 57 deck based fighters, now no new purchase for Navy.
GoI has prioritised indigenisation over internal diversification. Plus a lot of other more advanced programs are going through SPV, so HAL doesn't have as much control over future projects, like AMCA and IMRH. So the private sector is being catered to for future projects.
As for LCA Mk2, yeah, it's good. We don't need an import here. All they need to do is deliver as promised.
Based on basic specs alone, TEDBF is better than any MRFA contender. But Rafale's qualification in 2024 does not match ORCA's potential qualification in around 2035. He's less a pilot, more a merchant.
The MKI's engine upgrade would be really expensive, not worth it if the AL-31FP meets the upgrade specs. But it also means the upgrade will be more modest than what it can possibly be with a new engine. But we are also reaching a point where the MKI is gonna become meaningless within 10 years, so it's better to drop money into better capability.
The navy's getting imported jets.
First flight of TEDBF is aimed at 2026-27. Induction timelines start from 2032. Considering minimum changes , still 200 hours of flying will be required for a new platform by IAF. That will be around 3 years during testing. Say exponential work happens, then 2035 will be the time when ORCA will be ready for IAF.
Tejas MK2 will be available from 2028-29 if everything is ok. Add the 4 squadrons of Mk1A we are going to get.
Now let's take a look at squadrons which will go.
4 Mig21 squadrons will go out by 2025. 3 Jaguar squadrons which will not be updated will go out by 2028-29. Earliest Mig29UPG will start going out from 2032. Earliest Mirage 2000I will start going out from 2035. The 3 upgraded Jaguars will start going out from 2035.
So if MMRCA doesn't happen. Till 2028 we will have 12 Su30MKI squadrons + 6 Tejas MK1/MK1A + 3 Mirage 2000 + 3 Mig29UPG + 3 Jaguar Darin III + 2 Rafales = 29 squadrons.
From 2032-37 the 9 squadrons of Mig29/Mirage2000/Jaguar will go out. 9 squadrons of Tejas MK2 will likely replace them.
2032 will start seeing the first AMCA Mk1 in service. 2 squadrons wi come by 2035.
Till 2035 we can say we will more or less be at 29, without MMRCA 2.
PAF as of today has 21 combat squadrons. PLAAF regiments across Arunachal in the vicinity hold 250+ combat aircrafts.
PLAAF regiments across Leh hold 100+ combat aircraft. Plus 1 bomber division with 100+ aircrafts including bombers.
ORCA purely due to its timeline is optional, but MMRCA 2 is a requirement. There's a difference between two.
Total assets in PLAAFs western theater exceeds 500+ fighter jets, 100+ attack aircrafts and 20+ bombers.
This is the minimum force China will be able to bring to India.