US - Israel - Iran War
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They better not impose fees. We're not paying someone for simply being an arsehole. I mean, what if Saudi Arabia just started attacking all non-friendly-associated civilian vessels passing through Red Sea, or Egypt decides to put a 900% toll increase on all non-friendly-associated civilian vessels going through Suez. I mean shit, why doesn't France and UK put a toll on Russian or Chinese vessels passing through the English Channel, that actually is territorial waters too. @Picdelamirand-oil. Or maybe the EU puts a toll on the Med for all axis arseholes. Strait of Gibraltar is a good one too, again that actually is territorial waters too. Scandinavia - Al those Straits and Baltic.
We can be much bigger arseholes here if we want to.
We can be much bigger arseholes here if we want to.
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You know, looking at the fact that 2 US pilots went down well inside Iran and they landed a flying circus inside Iran to rescue them, followed by another flying circus when stuff went wrong with aircraft in first lot, but were still able to get both pilots out without the IRGC being able to capitalise on it, I have to ask just how well the IRGC would do in the event of an invasion?
Now this is interesting. In light of my first paragraph, please see where these countries are located relative to Iran.
Now this is interesting. In light of my first paragraph, please see where these countries are located relative to Iran.
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The only way the IRGC surrenders is if they lose everything, their detterant is the fact that Iranian terrain is drastically worse than anything in afghanistan and invading and taking out insurgent and idealogically motivated groups would be among the greatest nightmares and army could face especially with the advent of drones. The advent of drones could go both ways: IF the IRGC is able to get a stable supply of 3D printed drones then it becomes a nightmare for US army troops in the mountains of iran and will lead to insane casualties but if the IRGC is unable to get a mass production of drones underway and is fragmented then the US can flood iran with their own drones to flush people out. Both scenearios would lead to high casualties but one scenario is better than the other.
Listen man I repect "some" of your takes but invasion of iran would be among the stupidest/most controversial decisions ever made in US history and will only go one of 2 ways : The US gets locked into a ground invasion that makes afghanistan looks like childs play or the IRGC capitulates very very quickly leading to a surrender.
The only way the IRGC surrenders is if they lose everything, their detterant is the fact that Iranian terrain is drastically worse than anything in afghanistan and invading and taking out insurgent and idealogically motivated groups would be among the greatest nightmares and army could face especially with the advent of drones. The advent of drones could go both ways: IF the IRGC is able to get a stable supply of 3D printed drones then it becomes a nightmare for US army troops in the mountains of iran and will lead to insane casualties but if the IRGC is unable to get a mass production of drones underway and is fragmented then the US can flood iran with their own drones to flush people out. Both scenearios would lead to high casualties but one scenario is better than the other.
Many drones would be less of a problem up in mountains because they don't fly at that altitude. Equally, the CSAR mission to rescue the pilots saw no drones because their battlefield co-ordination is so poor. Insurgents will be a problem and it will be a long term thing, but eventually insurgents die off, they just didn't wait around long enough in Afghanistan (or possibly came to an arrangement we don't know about).
The IRGC is linchpin of nearly all terrorism in the region, as well as being tyrants amongst their own people and an ally to China, DPRK and Russia and removing it would be a good thing for most people.
Thanks for the admission Paddy. I've got my pinned post for my wall.
Needless to say , a few of us here have been maintaining this since much before this forum came into existence given our experiences on the previous one.
However this should come as a shock to the management here .
Yup. Fully concur. Yet how come we don't see any mobilization by little britain ? Now that the ball less Lady Keir Starmer has been booted out surely her successor however bad should be a notch or two better than her . This is the best time to redeem your recent reputation.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejects Trump's plan for Gaza
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he rejects President Donald Trump's 15-point plan for Gaza during a Cabinet meeting Sunday.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he rejects President Donald Trump’s 15-point plan for Gaza, stating that the Israeli military will not withdraw from the enclave until Hamas is disarmed.
“And when I say the disarming of Hamas, it means heavy weaponry, lighter weaponry, all weaponry. And we are talking about genuine disarmament, not fictitious disarmament,” Netanyahu said at a cabinet meeting Sunday.
He added that Israeli officials are talking with the U.S. about the matter.
“They have ideas, some of which are acceptable to us and some of which are unacceptable, and we know how to stand firm against these things,” Netanyahu said.
As long as he is prime minister, Netanyahu said during the meeting, “a Palestinian state will not be established.”
Senior Hamas official Bassem Naim wrote on X Sunday that they are still committed to the agreement “despite all the challenges.”
“We expect the mediators and the American guarantor to press Netanyahu and his government to compel him to adhere to the roadmap and not obstruct the path for internal political and electoral reasons,” Naim said.
Trump announced last month a development in the plan, which includes Gaza being governed by a new Palestinian government.
“The agreement will be carried out in carefully structured phases,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “As disarmament is completed, Israeli forces will withdraw, and the International Stabilization Force will work with a new Palestinian police force to take responsibility for Gaza being safe for its residents and its neighbors.”
Badr Abdel-Aati, Egypt’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Nikolay Mladenov, director-general Trump’s Board of Peace to oversee reconstruction in Gaza, had a call Sunday to discuss the plan. The Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement that Abdel-Aati “stressed the importance of adhering to the implementation of all agreed requirements, including ensuring full, safe and sustainable access to humanitarian aid, and completing the Israeli withdrawal from the sector.”
More than 73,377 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since Oct. 7, 2023, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. That number includes at least 1,252 people killed in Israeli attacks even after an October 2025 ceasefire was agreed to by Israel and Hamas.
Israel’s current offensive in Gaza began after the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas-led militants in Israel, where around 1,200 people were killed and 251 more were taken hostage.
Zaher al-Waheidi, head of the Gaza Health Ministry’s records department, told The Associated Press at least 7,400 people are still under the rubble of buildings destroyed in Israeli strikes. Most of Gaza’s population of 2.1 million has been displaced.
The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and former Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant over what it says are war crimes and crimes against humanity by Israel. Several human rights organizations and experts have also said Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
Completely different situations you are equating a rescue missions with a literal invasion,
Invasion needs large ground force build up, creating several logistics nodes, & transport routes,
Which can come under regular iranian ballastic missile & drones strikes, which are not fully suprresed yet,
Also Iran has the Caspian sea advantage where russia can supply the machinery & drones to them and also have the other routes, same with china they can supply it through Afghanistan, also the intelligence through Thier space assets,
Any invasion of iran would require strong Allies who are determined to fight to the core, and gulf countries are first to run away, the taco guy has already burned the bridges with it's nato members by insulting them, not consulting them prior to attacks, also threatening them,
Also they need to build up the inventory at large scale, they easily could have partnerd with Thier Allies for the production line of air defence & SOW and other supply chains, which could have easily increase the stockpiles at faster rate, they had mbda, rhienmetal, Hyundai, mitsubishi, and other industries, who would have loved to helping if they offered money,
If the USA don't want massive casualties then they should follow scorched Earth policy burn down everything, flatten every structure, kill everything that moves, not a easy decision or action to carry out but certainly it will reduce the causality rate and leave the enemy with two choices let your ppl die or surrender