Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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The issue is rains and snow will displace the mines. It will be especially worse downriver from the destroyed dam. This is not counting air-dropped mines and now cluster munitions.
With Indian hypocrisy and support for Russia.
Where exactly is the hypocrisy in opposing the Russian annexation of Ukraine? What does international law say on the matter? Was Zelensky elected? Did he gas anyone? Invade another country? Kill million of civilians? Torture PoWs? Take hostages? The hypocrisy is all yours. Always has been since Chandra Bose and the Cholas before him.
Then Ukraine would have been armed after the invasion of Crimea. So why didn't it happen?
The mall that was destroyed shared a compound wall with a military warehouse and the target was a railway platform right behind the mall.
It's not contradiction because we have seen UAF placing artillery inside cities, even next to kindergartens and daycares. We saw that in Kharkiv in the very first month of the war. The very placement of such heavy weapons in populated centers is a major war crime. We have also seen pictures and videos of military trucks and soldiers mving in and out of schools and malls. There was one such video early into the war which showed a UAF truck disappearing into a civilian multistory building, which was then struck by an Iskander.
Russia targets ammo dumps with 500Kg warheads with a lot of kinetic energy, like the Iskander. Ukraine doesn't have the means to cause such damage in a single attack. Also, Russian ammo dumps are multiple times larger than the distributed Ukrainian dumps, so more fireworks, this is also well known.
That UAF was turned into a battleground by the West, that the Russians didn't start the war. This was decided in 2008 and put into action in 2014 under Obama. Delayed under Trump and then executed under Biden.
Basically the West created the conditions necessary for Russia to attack Ukraine.
Because Russia just went up and seizing every military asset within Crimea without much of a fight. So there was very little confidence in the Ukrainian forces' ability to prevent anything we gave them from falling into Russian hands; and from there into Chinese hands, Iranian hands, North Korean hands...
Pretexts, pretexts. The Russians deliberately target civilian infrastructure and then claim them as military targets despite copious evidence of absence of military materiel in the wrecked places.
This is like how they destroyed Nova Khakovka dam, and have put one of the reactors of ZPP into hot idle (all of them were in cold idle before). The aim of the Russians is to make as much damage to the population as possible.
The Russians prefer missiles for that, they're less precise and carry more bomblets.
The conditions necessary for Russia to attack Ukraine was basically attempting to appease Russia and to stubbornly believe it could be a partner for trade and global security. To avoid the war in Ukraine, the West should have been a lot more aggressive and confrontational, and should have pushed for much faster NATO enlargement so that all of Russia's neighbors were protected.
Everything else is just believing in Russia's victimization myth, the lies that they tell themselves to try to justify their barbarism.
Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbass in early 2014. How exactly did they not start the war?
Your conspiracy theories have nothing to do with reality or any explainable basis. You lie to yourself and everyone else with full knowledge of the fact that you are lying.
Let me explain this to you simply, step by step, so you can understand it:
1. Russia's economy relative to the EU's is shit. Poland's GDP/Capita left Russia's for dirt a long time ago (nominal or PPP) after joining the EU. The economies of countries in Russia's orbit, like Belarus and the -stans are even worse still. Worse yet are the civil rights and standard of living.
2. The above is why Ukraine wanted to join the EU. This movement started in the early noughties, well before Biden or Obama. And the majority 46% vs 33% were in favour of joining the EU in 2012.
Accession of Ukraine to the European Union - Wikipedia
The EU and Ukraine’s Public Opinion: Changing Dynamic
Introduction: The West appreciated Ukraine’s pluralism by default After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian society and political establishment chose a different path of transformation than Russia. Ukraine gained its independence peacefully and without internal conflicts thanks to an...
3. Yanukovych used this majority in his platform to gain election in 2010, but then broke his election promises in 2013 in a move declared to be 'treason' by the opposition. People took to the streets because they weren't getting what they voted for. Yanukovych could have:
a) Changed his mind;
b) Called a general election; or
c) Held a referendum.
He chose bully-boy tactics instead and killed 108 civilians before fleeing the country to Russia, thus putting his treason beyond question.
Viktor Yanukovych - Wikipedia
4. Two days before Yanukovych fled, Russia invaded Crimea and sent 12,000 troops, and thousands more PMCs and volunteers into the Donbass.
5. The Donbass War.
6. Full invasion of Ukraine.
These are all facts, you cannot dispute them. It remained an internal Ukrainian democratic dispute that was resolved internally until Russia intervened illegally. Nobody cooked up anything except Russia. Everything above is entirely explainable by Ukrainian internal politics.
Via rocket artillery both in direct fire and mine laying. I don't know if they even have cluster shells, they would surely have used them if they did.
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That was entirely without any preparation. Even if there was no confidence, the West could still have armed Ukraine with a minimum quantity without affecting balance of power, like used F-16s, even older Block 40s, Hawk SAMs and so on. Absolutely nothing was done save for training the infantry in small unit tactics. designed for an insurgency.
Ah, yes... The only thing Russia has not been blamed for is blowing up the Kerch bridge.
Doesn't kill troops in the field. Cluster munitions in missiles are meant for use against miliary installations. The Russians did not use anything that would cause long lasting harm to civilians. You forget that they intend to occupy the territory they are fighting in.
The Russians were open to Ukraine joining the EU, but on the condition that they don't join NATO.
The current NATO enlargement is irrelevant. Sweden and Finland were NATO allies already, and using NATO compatible equipment, so joining NATO was only a formality. It was eventually gonna happen. This just sped up the process.
Shouldn't touch buffer states. Or China would have taken Mongolia long ago. And Nepal.
Shooting 108 unarmed protestors = illegal. Corruption and bribery = illegal. Removal of press freedoms = illegal. Treason = illegal. Yanukovych chose the illegal route instead of the 3 legal democratic options available to him and the people defended themselves forcing him to run away to his bribers.
Russia has been using them on Smerch rockets since 2014. It doesn't have them on artillery shells.
2014
Feb 25th 2022
Get a clue before you go regurgitating shit Russian propaganda. Russia has not only been using them, it's been using them on civilian areas against international law....
...and then you go preaching that the the protestors were acting illegally when Yanukovych started shooting them.
And how long before you mention 'western hypocrisy' yet again?
