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Zelenskiy said that despite US supplies of rocket artillery, Ukraine's forces could not yet overcome Russia's advantages in heavy guns and manpower: "This is very much felt in combat, especially in the Donbas. It is just hell there. Words cannot describe it" Kyiv, Kyiv city - Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on live map - liveuamap.com

Zelenskiy said that despite US supplies of rocket artillery, Ukraine's forces could not yet overcome Russia's advantages in heavy guns and manpower: "This is very much felt in combat, especially in the Donbas. It is just hell there. Words cannot describe it"
 
You forget that if you were invaded by a trading company with the help of your own people, there is no way that such a society could have fought off the Imperial Japanese military in the early 1940s without the interceding 190 years reshaping the Indian Army. Not even nearly.
That trading Company had it's own army to defend it's assets & possessions right since the early 17th century when it was first granted permission to trade. As with everything associated with traders they observed the situation closely & did what the Nazis did initially in Germany by exterminating their rivals the communists & later as they asssumed control over Germany , the smaller nations in Europe before taking on the collective might of UK, France & USSR.

In India, the equivalent of the Nazis exterminating their rivals - the communists , would be the British eliminating the French & later eliminating one rival at a time like how the Nazis gobbled up Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Poland etc in Europe.

The British had the luxury of not running up against the combined might of the UK, France & USSR like the brave Germans did fighting them largely single handedly for close to 5-6 yrs with the US joining in towards the latter half of the war decisively tilting the balance in favor of the allies. It was definitely a case of lesser evil triumphing over the greater one.

You also make the mistake of assuming that India of the 18th & 19th century would be the same as the 20th century in case the British didn't arrive here & did what they did. Other nations modernised without colonialism - Thailand & Japan being cases in point.

The Japanese couldn't even annex all of China & here you'd have us believe they were on the verge of annexing all of India. The logic is the same as the British didn't annex all of China Or even major parts of it as they were already stretched in India .

The best part is Ireland was under the British for a full 800 yrs. Wait til the weekend when the sorry sordid story of how the British literally raped Ireland for all those 800 yrs with active collaboration by the Irish will be uploaded by yours truly.

Army​

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The pride and honor of our nation, the Indian army, was formed in the British era. The culture, discipline, and a lot of the army practices that still persist belong to the pre-independence era.


Based on what evidence?
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So in what way does this graph contradict whatever he's stated & how exactly does it support your position?

Don't you know how to read graphs you autistic retard?

What does the period between 1820-1950 reflect for both India & China? A steady growth or a steep decline? Correspondingly what does it indicate for Europe in the same period?


Social reforms​

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Perhaps the biggest contribution of British in India was removal of social practices like Sati, child marriage, untouchability. Not only they banned such cruel inhumane practices, they also promoted a widow’s remarriage. Just imagine what India would be if such practices still existed. British passed many acts and ordinances to eradicate such social practices, many social reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy supported the British in the cause.
Look up on your own history of wich hunting which has now become part of our daily lexicon to determine when & how it was ended.

Vaccination​

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During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Smallpox spread as an epidemic in India, and due to lack of sanitary knowledge among the Indians, the British knew the situation could escalate quickly. They passed a Compulsory Vaccination Act passed in India in 1892 to prevent smallpox. They also set up ‘Sanitary Commissioners’ in the various regions to keep a check on the disease by setting up dispensaries.

I will also add that during that period of history there is literally no way you could have escaped invasion, if it wasn't Britain it would have been someone else, indeed it already had been. It was wrong, but it's the way history was the world over, you did the same yourselves and Britain had the same done to it.
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People struggled to find ways to battle with smallpox. Variolation was a process developed in the 10th century in China and India. It involves taking pus from the pocks of someone suffering from smallpox and inoculating healthy people with it. Usually a mild case of smallpox developed, giving lifelong immunity afterwards. There was a risk of death from this, but in a world where smallpox was rife the odds made it worthwhile; about 0.5-2 percent of people died after variolation, compared with 20-30 per cent after natural smallpox. A major disadvantage of the practice was that variolated people could pass on severe smallpox to others.



Slapping & schooling you makes my day Paddy. In your case, it's essentially a day spent without getting schooled is a day wasted.
 
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That trading Company had it's own army to defend it's assets & possessions right since the early 17th century when it was first granted permission to trade. As with everything associated with traders they observed the situation closely & did what the Nazis did initially in Germany by exterminating their rivals the communists & later as they asssumed control over Germany , the smaller nations in Europe before taking on the collective might of UK, France & USSR.

In India, the equivalent of the Nazis exterminating their rivals - the communists , would be the British eliminating the French & later eliminating one rival at a time like how the Nazis gobbled up Czechoslovakia, Belgium, Poland etc in Europe.

The British had the luxury of not running up against the combined might of the UK, France & USSR like the brave Germans did fighting them largely single handedly for close to 5-6 yrs with the US joining in towards the latter half of the war decisively tilting the balance in favor of the allies. It was definitely a case of lesser evil triumphing over the greater one.

You also make the mistake of assuming that India of the 18th & 19th century would be the same as the 20th century in case the British didn't arrive here & did what they did. Other nations modernised without colonialism - Thailand & Japan being cases in point.

The Japanese couldn't even annex all of China & here you'd have us believe they were on the verge of annexing all of India. The logic is the same as the British didn't annex all of China Or even major parts of it as they were already stretched in India .

The best part is Ireland was under the British for a full 800 yrs. Wait til the weekend when the sorry sordid story of how the British literally raped Ireland for all those 800 yrs with active collaboration by the Irish will be uploaded by yours truly.







So in what way does this graph contradict whatever he's stated & how exactly does it support your position?

Don't you know how to read graphs you autistic retard?

What does the period between 1820-1950 reflect for both India & China? A steady growth or a steep decline? Correspondingly what does it indicate for Europe in the same period?



Look up on your own history of wich hunting which has now become part of our daily lexicon to determine when & how it was ended.


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Slapping & schooling you makes my day Paddy. In your case, it's essentially a day spent without getting schooled is a day wasted.
Still doing the butt hurt posting once or twice a day or every other day I see. It was just a ban for having a potty mouth get over it already. :ROFLMAO:
 
You forget that if you were invaded by a trading company with the help of your own people, there is no way that such a society could have fought off the Imperial Japanese military in the early 1940s without the interceding 190 years reshaping the Indian Army. Not even nearly.

At the time, it was not "our" people. It was no different from the British and French helping the US take over Western Europe during WW2.

Army​

The-army-600x384.jpg


The pride and honor of our nation, the Indian army, was formed in the British era. The culture, discipline, and a lot of the army practices that still persist belong to the pre-independence era.


They still spent billions on it.




Based on what evidence?
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Social reforms​

1-2-600x422.jpg


Perhaps the biggest contribution of British in India was removal of social practices like Sati, child marriage, untouchability. Not only they banned such cruel inhumane practices, they also promoted a widow’s remarriage. Just imagine what India would be if such practices still existed. British passed many acts and ordinances to eradicate such social practices, many social reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy supported the British in the cause.

Vaccination​

british raaj


During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Smallpox spread as an epidemic in India, and due to lack of sanitary knowledge among the Indians, the British knew the situation could escalate quickly. They passed a Compulsory Vaccination Act passed in India in 1892 to prevent smallpox. They also set up ‘Sanitary Commissioners’ in the various regions to keep a check on the disease by setting up dispensaries.

I will also add that during that period of history there is literally no way you could have escaped invasion, if it wasn't Britain it would have been someone else, indeed it already had been. It was wrong, but it's the way history was the world over, you did the same yourselves and Britain had the same done to it.

Lol. Bringing this stuff into India has nothing to do with the British. It's just part of modernisation. As long as something exists and there's demand for it, it will be sold. Many independent kingdoms around the world did better dealing with diseases, including smallpox, because they were not run by the British.

As for WW2, again, India's military prowess was far greater than China's during the time. And if it wasn't for the British, India's capital would most likely have become Mumbai under the Marathas, and they would have gone on to conquer pretty much all of modern India, and more, plus no partition. Plus no systematic looting or destruction of the social fabric of India.

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Interestingly, it was the Marathas that allowed the British to gain a foothold in India. So that's their karma. Had they not done that, then there wouldn't have been a Pakistan, BD or even Myanmar. Perhaps even Nepal and Sri Lanka. The Marathas were imperial powers after all.

It still doesn't take away the fact that the British rule was the darkest time in India's history. Even climate change that ended the first civilisation was nothing compared to British rule.
 
At the time, it was not "our" people. It was no different from the British and French helping the US take over Western Europe during WW2.



Lol. Bringing this stuff into India has nothing to do with the British. It's just part of modernisation. As long as something exists and there's demand for it, it will be sold. Many independent kingdoms around the world did better dealing with diseases, including smallpox, because they were not run by the British.

As for WW2, again, India's military prowess was far greater than China's during the time. And if it wasn't for the British, India's capital would most likely have become Mumbai under the Marathas, and they would have gone on to conquer pretty much all of modern India, and more, plus no partition. Plus no systematic looting or destruction of the social fabric of India.

Maratha-Empire-1200x1439.jpg


Interestingly, it was the Marathas that allowed the British to gain a foothold in India. So that's their karma. Had they not done that, then there wouldn't have been a Pakistan, BD or even Myanmar. Perhaps even Nepal and Sri Lanka. The Marathas were imperial powers after all.

It still doesn't take away the fact that the British rule was the darkest time in India's history. Even climate change that ended the first civilisation was nothing compared to British rule.
So you were already being oppressed when Britain arrived anyway. Like I said, you were doomed to being invaded during that period anyway.

Like who? Which countries of your particular developmental stage did better on their own?

Oh sure, that's why a trading company managed to invade you. Would the Marathas have led to a democratic India? The same Marathas that murdered 400,000 people (textile workers) in Bengal and Bihar in the decade before Britain arrived? Social fabric? What with Imperial rule of a different but equally murderous source and Sati and the caste system? It seems to me that the only real difference between the Marathas and the British is that the British were better organised and white. The last one probably being the most relevant here.

Yeah, so the Marathas would have done exactly the same as the British, except their skin colour was different, so therefore more acceptable to you.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:Ice age LOL. If you think Britain took so much, how much do you think Russia took? As well as exploiting and looting all those lands invaded since 1462, they also stole >20% of the world's natural resources, valued at $75tr. And killed tens of millions through famine and persecutions of Christians.


And they continue doing this, even today in the 21st century, but you support them, so fvck you and your hypocrisy.
 
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So you were already being oppressed when Britain arrived anyway. Like I said, you were doomed to being invaded during that period anyway.

Like who? Which countries of your particular developmental stage did better on their own?

Oh sure, that's why a trading company managed to invade you. Would the Marathas have led to a democratic India? The same Marathas that murdered 400,000 people (textile workers) in Bengal and Bihar in the decade before Britain arrived? Social fabric? What with Imperial rule of a different but equally murderous source and Sati and the caste system? It seems to me that the only real difference between the Marathas and the British is that the British were better organised and white. The last one probably being the most relevant here.

Yeah, so the Marathas would have done exactly the same as the British, except their skin colour was different, so therefore more acceptable to you.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:Ice age LOL. If you think Britain took so much, how much do you think Russia took? As well as exploiting and looting all those lands invaded since 1462, they also stole >20% of the world's natural resources, valued at $75tr. And killed tens of millions through famine and persecutions of Christians.


And they continue doing this, even today in the 21st century, but you support them, so fvck you and your hypocrisy.
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After receiving his regular dose of slaps & schooling which is ma fails to administer daily which is why Paddy comes here to begin with , Paddy drops all mention of vaccination, "social evils " like Sati, the collapse of the economy in India courtesy colonialism easily explained thru graphs which damages his own case yet he posts ot here which sort of explains why even by Irish standards he's an exceptionally stupid peasant prone to gaffes & faux pas .

Colonialism which is nothing but plain parasitism or pimping both of which are equally appropriate to describe British rule in India, wherein the pimp does whatever it takes to deck up the woman he prostitutes earning off her & living off it. Hence railways, P&T, etc - the bare bones of infrastructure established for improved efficient exploitation.

Here's a detailed study carried out listing hiw much in terms of value were the britcunts able to exploit & how with pimping apologists like David Cameron & Niall Ferguson explaining how the Raj was a loss making proposition for UK, essentially White man's burden 2.0


How Britain stole $45 trillion from India

As a bonus, let's add a real sweetener wherein the Dhaka muslin industry much prized in the ME & Europe & which was many times the value of silk in the middle Ages was so systematically destroyed that all knowledge of how it was made was lost in less than 2.5 centuries...

How British destroyed Indian Textile Industry

... & modest independent efforts by individuals & NGO's in Bangladesh to revive it


 
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Wow three post today! Does this mean you're starting to realize how silly your butt hurt is and will now be posting here more?
As I remarked earlier, sweetie stays true to form.

You seem to love all the virtual pounding ( pun unintended ) you're getting at my hands. And inevitably there has to be a mention of pvt parts & sentence of you kissing your backside too. Just as your country cousin can't go two posts without mention of scat, you can't go a single post without drawing attention to yourself & can't avoid the tendency of shoving yourself into the limelight. Must've had a pretty neglected childhood eh?


Oh and I just love how you pretend to know Guha's mind.
I can confidently say yes. Most of his works are lying read on my bookshelves. How many of his books have you read? Have you even heard his name before this farticle you've quoted?

BTW, if you really want to know something about the shaping of modern India, it's freedom struggle & it's ongoing journey as a democracy warts et al, which I very much doubt a snotty tramp like you has the intellectual curiosity or appetite or even the intellect to appreciate, you ought to read him. He has quite a few flaws in his work but it'd serve as a good primer.

This is the kind of BS post that gets you in trouble. This is the kind of BS post that forces my keyboard of righteousness to call out your BS which then causes you to have a mental breakdown and makes you post silly things that get you ban and then come back here and invite the Mods to permanently ban you. Don't go down that rabbit hole again, babe.
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That penny about the "pot of gold " finally dropped eh? I always thought of Paddy as a complete dimwit & you as a midwit. Why ? You marked your presence on # 8720 & 8722 in your typical fashion of sniffing around & raising your leg & then a full 10 min later you did the same in #8723 .

Your thought process in those 10 min must've gone - gee that "data mining that pot of gold" seems ok but since when is big daddy here being charitable to me?

Up his & yours... Hmm, waitaminute, big daddy's taken advantage of my dyslexia again. 🤣

And then you regurgitated what you usually do.

Thanks for reaffirming my reading of you, sweetie. You're so predicable, it's getting boring now. Like stealing candy from a kid.

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Still doing the butt hurt posting once or twice a day or every other day I see. It was just a ban for having a potty mouth get over it already. :ROFLMAO:
How does a 7/11 worker manage to fart around on sino defense, out here, f16.net & another half a dozen forums while spending 12-15 hours at work with no secondary source of income, drawing minimum wages under an abusive East Indian owner while substituting his / her / xis / xer meagre earnings thru pilferage & the occasional hand in the till .

Easily explained . What we have is a younger version of Paddy. Just as Paddy is getting even with his folks for bringing him into this world by staying with them in spite of being 55 going on 15 , here's another teen exacting revenge on his folks by staying with them being a 19 yr old going on 15 .

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OK, point.

Because Russia achieved its aims.

They were easy to resolve, had there been will. To give an example... many consider Croatian homeland war a civil war because the main uprising was rebellion of Serb minority within Croatia. But in reality, it was a layered war of aggression: Serb Army had quite openly invaded Eastern Slavonia (Vukovar et al) and Dubrovnik, and Serbs in Croatia were nothing but pawns of Belgrade.

But this misunderstanding meant that for a time, there was a plan to give Serbs in Croatia autonomy (Z-4 plan). Now, even in current circumstances, Serbs in Croatia (Pupovac et. al.) are acting as agents of Belgrade in destabilizing Croatia. Imagine how much worse it would have been if Serbs had gained federal unit within Croatia?

With Bosnia, issue is more complex, but solution is just as easy - even if it is an opposite one. Bosniaks want to form a caliphate where they will have absolute dominance, Serbs want to have their slice of Bosnia (and they got it) and eventually join Serbia, and Croats want to be left alone (which nobody else will acceede to unless Herzegovina is annexed by Croatia... good luck with that). In short, there are only two possible solutions: either cantonization of Bosnia on the Swiss model, or else its disbandment with Serbia and Croatia both annexing areas where their ethnicities dominate.

Problem with Ukraine is similar to Bosnia: if it didn't give Russians in Ukraine some level of autonomy, they would feel threatened; but if it did, Russians there could easily become proxies of Moscow and be used as a fifth column against Ukraine (as they ended up being used).

But considering how Russians had been trying to Russify Ukraine (and not just Ukraine) since Imperial times, best solution would have been to move all the Russians in Ukraine to Russia (although there is a difference, I think, between a Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainian).

Basically? Both sides had a point... kinda. Cuba was right to be concerned and seek protection, seeing how US had only year earlier attempted to overthrow the Cuban government (Bay of Pigs 1961). However, it was also clear that US could not allow Soviet missiles so near to the US mainland - in fact, potential threat to mainland was one of major reasons for the whole Bay of Pigs affair.

But personally, I would have likely been on Cuban side in that affair. As I had said, United States had attempted to overthrow the Cuban government just a year previously, and it was clear that they saw Cuba as their backyard. And while removing Communism from Cuba would have been better for Cuba in the long run, if Cubans wanted Communism, US should not have intervened. Although... that is a big if.

Eh, Communism and Nazism were both more-or-less equally evil, so the West was right to demonize both Stalin and Hitler... in fact, up until World War 2, Communism had been (with good reason) seen as a worse evil than all right-wing (and "right"-wing) regimes put together.

But yeah, you are correct here.

Yeah, that is what I meant by "didn't go well for Russia".

Of course they were - West is hostile to any country attempting to gain independence. There are some in Croatia who suspect Tudjman had been murdered by the West because he refused to sell our banks and other assets to Western cartels - and they have good reasons to suspect that.

But the fact that the West is evil doesn't mean Russia is good.
No major disagreements with your view though not too clued into Balkan politics contemporary or historical, so that part was informative.
 
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