Ukraine - Russia Conflict

guess who brought down a democratically elected govt and installed the shah ? 30 years later they installed another monster who was in exile in france . now the very own monster they created is fighting them.

south america is even worse, america created a exclusive group of dictators like g6. :ROFLMAO:
The infamous description "banana republic" for a country is an US gift to smaller south american countries.

The US has done more in support of dictatorships than Russia and China combined.

Its only that US cannot install a puppet govt in India they try to create a master slave relation loosely calling it an alliance then intimidate them all dirty tricks like human rights, democracy...etc to toe their line. When every thing fails they throw a tantrum.

US has toppled govts in most countries around the world , some of them have back fired like Iran and others like India , china which had no success have become irritants where they try to pit one against another by acting as if they are helping them..

Pretty much it. A small country experiences regiment change, a large country gets wooed. The end result is still the same.

Japan sucked it up and accepted their fate because they still benefit from the American security umbrella. But India doesn't benefit in any real way.
 
Nope, it always prefers to work with democracies. The proof of that is in the makeup of their allies relative to those of Russia.

19th century is when it started.

In the Soviet-Afghan War they were never encouraged to kill civilians as that would have been pointless. Post WWII, Shias were the first to use suicide bombings against civilians.

TW? There are no good effects from this war but sanctions and support for Ukraine are the only option that doesn't risk a nuclear war. Doing nothing is not an option. Russia has already annexed one too many territories.

I doubt that. We're well into 6 figures between Russian and Ukrainian death and civilian death. US gas prices are low, they just got used to having it cheaper too much, it's still halve the price that it is in Europe. The alternative is a nuclear winter which kills over 1 billion via famine. So the current option is relatively mild.

Lol. Only sheep believe that. The US works with anybody depending on the objective. Even terrorists.

Salafi movement didn't start off with terrorism in mind. Killing via suicide has existed since time immemorial.

You wanna sanction Russia go ahead, don't drag others into it. Leave the TW alone. History is not gonna remember you kindly if you keep pushing it. The Western agenda is to push the Ukr-Rus war as a world problem. Nope, it's a European problem. Solve it yourselves. You always make the mistake of assuming the world has two sides, the West and the non-West. Nope, there is a third side, which is represented by NAM. And India's most likely to lead the third side in time. And this balance is necessary, and it needs to get stronger before the other two sides fvck up the world. And sanctions only does the opposite.

Nope. The TW is very big. As fuel prices rise, so do poverty, violence, starvation, new wars etc in the TW. You in the West are largely insulated from such news. To the TW, Russia isn't a threat. So we are not interested in protecting the world from communism when we are facing bigger problems, like surviving.
 
Lol. Only sheep believe that. The US works with anybody depending on the objective. Even terrorists.

Salafi movement didn't start off with terrorism in mind. Killing via suicide has existed since time immemorial.

You wanna sanction Russia go ahead, don't drag others into it. Leave the TW alone. History is not gonna remember you kindly if you keep pushing it. The Western agenda is to push the Ukr-Rus war as a world problem. Nope, it's a European problem. Solve it yourselves. You always make the mistake of assuming the world has two sides, the West and the non-West. Nope, there is a third side, which is represented by NAM. And India's most likely to lead the third side in time. And this balance is necessary, and it needs to get stronger before the other two sides fvck up the world. And sanctions only does the opposite.

Nope. The TW is very big. As fuel prices rise, so do poverty, violence, starvation, new wars etc in the TW. You in the West are largely insulated from such news. To the TW, Russia isn't a threat. So we are not interested in protecting the world from communism when we are facing bigger problems, like surviving.
So how come most US allies are democracies then and most Russian allies are dictators?

No, it set off with jihad against colonialists in mind, it wasn't really until after the 1990s that Bin Laden twisted it in attacks against civilians.

Russia is the one blockading wheat exports and they started this pointless conflict over EU membership, and threatened nuclear war if anyone intervened directly, so this is the only option left on the table, there isn't another one that doesn't involve nuclear winter. If Russia is prepared to do this now, that's all the more reason it can't be allowed to take control of grain exports inside Ukraine, otherwise he will have the ability to blackmail Africa forever. Blocking wheat exports to Africa is not right and annexing parts of other countries is not right or acceptable. That's what this boils down to.

You know with China yourself that if you don't make a stand at some point they will just steal and steal and that is what Russia has tried since 1990 (not to mention before) and especially since 2008. We're not going to sit here and watch him carve little pieces of Europe off without his forces being killed en masse. Sorry, but this has to happen, it's Russia's fault and no one else's. Ukraine is trying to survive too, and their neighbours don't want to be next. You act like there are other choices here, there aren't.

I'm frankly f*cking sick and tired of people thinking the West should take responsibility for everything simply because they know the likes of Russia and China don't care anyway. You can't hold us responsible every time a terrorist bombs something, or for everything Russia does. Seriously, the West remove a mass murderer in Iraq, Russia and Iran sponsor militants to kill civilians, it's the West's fault, Russia invades two European countries 3 times and blocks wheat exports, it's still the West's fault. When isn't it the West's fault for you exactly?
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The chokehold will kill faster.
 
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The US has done more in support of dictatorships than Russia and China combined.
Bull-f*cking shit. How much land and how many people are covered by those two alone, before we even look at what else they've done in Asia, TME and South America, not to mention Eastern Europe.

Pretty much it. A small country experiences regiment change, a large country gets wooed. The end result is still the same.

Japan sucked it up and accepted their fate because they still benefit from the American security umbrella. But India doesn't benefit in any real way.
India is lamb that Russia and China are debating how to eat.
 
The Russians overthrew rare Soviet tanks with barbecues to storm Severodonetsk. Russian T-62M tanks were spotted near the village of Vrubivka near Severodonetsk. This was reported by InformNapalm. Formally, these combat vehicles belong to units 1 and 2 of the army corps formed in the occupied Donbass. It is likely that the Russian Nazis are trying to recreate the Syrian tactics of using assault tanks against infantry in the city. Instead, in Severodonetsk, these tanks with "kamikaze" crews will act against the regular army, not against the Syrian militia
 
So how come most US allies are democracies then and most Russian allies are dictators?

No, it set off with jihad against colonialists in mind, it wasn't really until after the 1990s that Bin Laden twisted it in attacks against civilians.

Russia is the one blockading wheat exports and they started this pointless conflict over EU membership, and threatened nuclear war if anyone intervened directly, so this is the only option left on the table, there isn't another one that doesn't involve nuclear winter. If Russia is prepared to do this now, that's all the more reason it can't be allowed to take control of grain exports inside Ukraine, otherwise he will have the ability to blackmail Africa forever. Blocking wheat exports to Africa is not right and annexing parts of other countries is not right or acceptable. That's what this boils down to.

You know with China yourself that if you don't make a stand at some point they will just steal and steal and that is what Russia has tried since 1990 (not to mention before) and especially since 2008. We're not going to sit here and watch him carve little pieces of Europe off without his forces being killed en masse. Sorry, but this has to happen, it's Russia's fault and no one else's. Ukraine is trying to survive too, and their neighbours don't want to be next. You act like there are other choices here, there aren't.

I'm frankly f*cking sick and tired of people thinking the West should take responsibility for everything simply because they know the likes of Russia and China don't care anyway. You can't hold us responsible every time a terrorist bombs something, or for everything Russia does. Seriously, the West remove a mass murderer in Iraq, Russia and Iran sponsor militants to kill civilians, it's the West's fault, Russia invades two European countries 3 times and blocks wheat exports, it's still the West's fault. When isn't it the West's fault for you exactly?

There are different levels of control. The US thinks the privilege of sending their children to die in wars should only be allowed for democracies.

Stop trying to revise history.

Russia didn't start the conflict, the West did. Or I'm sure you would think it's fine if China sends troops to Cuba and Venezuela.

The West needs to stay in their own corner. And also fight their enemies in their own corner, without involving anyone else.
 
Point de situation des opérations en Ukraine 18 juin 2022- Combats

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Update on operations in Ukraine 18 June 2022 - Fighting



In the 28 May update it was explained that the Russian capture of Popasna on 7 May and the rapid advance in all directions had formed a pocket that threatened all Ukrainian forces in the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk (S-L) sector. This delicate situation, with rarely a happy ending for the defenders, presented the Ukrainian forces with three options: counter-attack, resist or withdraw.

Wisdom would probably have chosen the third option, but politics and the desire not to give up a metre made them choose the first. The zone was thus reinforced with new units with the mission of loosening the stranglehold from Severodonetsk to Horlivka (in the LNR zone). Including the 4th (armoured) police rapid reaction brigade, there are now 12 Ukrainian manoeuvre brigades and six militia or territorial army units in this small pocket. That's between 1/4 and 1/3 of the Ukrainian army in a 50 x 50 km square. If the Russians take the small town of Soledar - they are only a few kilometres away - the whole T1302 road linking S-L to the rest of Ukraine will be cut off. There will remain the much less convenient route through Siversk in the north of the pocket. Of course, if Siversk also fell, all Ukrainian forces in the pocket would be seriously threatened with destruction, if only by logistical drain. The area from Siversk to Lyzychansk, protected by two reinforced manoeuvre brigades, is not threatened for the moment after several Russian attempts, sometimes disastrous, to cross the Donets River. A new bridge set up by the Russians at Bilohorivka was detected and destroyed on 16 June, proof that the Russians had not given up on attacking from this side.

Reinforcements and counter-attacks, but without really pushing the enemy back. The Ukrainian units deployed on S-L were able to push the Russians back for a while in Severodonetsk, but they did not prevent them from regaining ground, while the destruction of the three bridges linking the town to Lysychansk isolated them. At present, the Ukrainians hold only 20% of the city, i.e. the Metolkine district and especially the Azot chemical complex, where, as in Azovstal in Marioupol, hundreds of civilians are also refugees. They must have committed in the area of the order of three or four battalions from the three brigades placed in Lysychansk, which are facing a "Severodonetsk division" of 7 to 9 Chechen infantry battalions, Wagner, LNR and a tank battalion. By holding firm, the Ukrainian battalions can hold the city for several weeks, but whether this has any military value remains to be seen. Lysychansk on high ground and across a river that can no longer be crossed by bridges is much easier to defend.

It is likely, however, that the Russian forces did not seek to approach Lysysychansk head-on, but to bypass it via the localities of Tochkivka, Hirske and Komyshuvakha between 6 and 10 km south of the town and north of the Russian pocket of Popasna. As in S-L, this sector was defended by two Ukrainian manoeuvre brigades and one territorial brigade. The western side of Popasna was also defended by three manoeuvre brigades and one Ukrainian territorial brigade, which were at best trying to regain ground and at worst to defend Soledar and the Bakhmut-Lysysyshansk axis. The southern side is lighter with an armoured brigade and several infantry battalions defending the approaches to the key town of Bakhmut, which is also held by a territorial brigade.

On the other side, the Russians abandoned any organic linkage and formed three ad hoc divisions on each side of Popasna from a pool of 20-25 LNR battalions, Russian armoured-mechanised regulars and mostly elite infantry with a division and an air assault brigade as well as three naval infantry brigades combined in the area.

The last axis of Russian effort around the S-L pocket and even the S-L/S-K complex was in the Horlivka area of the DNR, where a small Russian Wagner-Naval Infantry assault group supported by I Corps (DNR) units tried to push back the 46th Air Assault Brigade towards Kostiantynivka, without much success.

As in Severodonetsk, the Ukrainians slowed down the Russian advance considerably in this area, but their attacks were hardly successful and did not allow them to retake or even threaten the Popasna pocket, the only objective whose capture could change the course of operations.

This leaves the Ukrainian forces with the choice of either withdrawing in good order or holding on. They could withdraw to the Sloviansk - Kramatorsk - Druzhkivka - Kostiantynivka conurbation, which could constitute a solid line of defence if the previous three months had been devoted to preparing the defence and, for example, setting up numerous depots. This would also have the advantage of shortening the front line and thus making it possible to densify its defence. They could choose to hold in place in the hope of Russian attrition, but in this game they risked cracking before they did, not for lack of courage but simply for lack of ammunition, and this could turn into a disaster.

The reinforcement of the S-L pocket had the inevitable effect of clearing the other sectors. In the Sloviansk area, on a wide front from the Russian Izium pocket to the Lyman pocket, one can distinguish the western side of the Izium pocket, once an axis of Russian effort and now rather defensive, where the 106th Airborne Division and three independent Russian brigades were fighting the area against four Ukrainian brigades, without much effect on either side. At the other end, after the capture of Lyman, two to three Russian brigades are trying to take control of the forest up to the Donetsk River and perhaps make contact with the Ukrainian 95th Air Assault Brigade at Raihorodok, 2km north-east of Sloviansk.

The Russian effort in the region is clearly in the area between these two extremes, concentrating a motorised infantry division and the 90th armoured division, reinforced with several independent armoured-mechanised brigades and two infiltration brigades (45th Special Brigade and 3rd Spetsnaz Brigade) against the 81st Air Assault Brigade (and possibly also a motorised brigade) reinforced with several independent infantry battalions holding the Dovenhke-Krasnopillya forest region and the M03 road from Izium to Sloviansk. The fighting is difficult and Russian progress very slow, but it is hard to see how the Ukrainian forces could not be forced to retreat to Sloviansk. Sloviansk is still far from being threatened, however.

In the peripheral sectors of the front, north of Kharkiv, there is a series of Russian counter-attacks to push the Ukrainian forces as far away from the border as possible and probably back within artillery range of Kharkiv. Perhaps the Russians want to protect the reconstitution area of their forces in the Belgorod base region and the logistical axis to Izium via Vovchansk from Ukrainian incursions or strikes.

With two complete divisions and several brigades at rest, the Belgorod base also constitutes a pool of forces from which the Russians can draw to reinforce the 6th Army in charge of the Kharkiv sector. There is thus a permanent presence of DNR/LNR units, which feel they are overused (the two DNR/LNR corps are approaching the destruction threshold) instead of the Russians, and occasional reinforcements of armoured-mechanised brigades or artillery, which allow the 6th Army to push back Ukrainian units weakened by the reinforcement of the Donbass in terms of men and reduced logistics. After having raised many hopes, the Ukrainian successes in the Kharkiv sector were not decisive.

At the other end of the front, the Kherson region constitutes a bridgehead across the Dnieper that the Russians want to keep at all costs, but without having for the moment the means to use it as an offensive base. The 80km long and 30km wide area was defended by the 49th Army, which had the 20th Motorised Infantry Division in Kherson, the 7th Division and the 11th Air Assault Brigade in the centre and three independent brigades in the north. With the addition of three reconnaissance brigades, one of which was a spetsnaz, the whole ensemble represented perhaps 10 battalions, of rather good tactical quality even if very worn, entrenched for almost two months and supported by at least three artillery brigades and, as everywhere else, significant close air support. In these conditions, it is difficult for the Ukrainians, despite having six manoeuvre brigades and as many territorial units or militias, to obtain significant results. The area between Kherson and Mykolaev was locked and it was impossible for either side to break through. At the beginning of June, Ukrainian forces managed to cross the Inhulet River in the centre of the area, but after advancing a few kilometres, Russian firepower and counter-attack blocked the advance. Since then the fighting has been very static.

For the sake of completeness, we should also mention the area from the Dnieper to the city of Donetsk, which is the least densely occupied on either side and where both sides are simultaneously in a more defensive posture. For months, the DNR I Corps has been trying to push the Ukrainian forces back beyond the city of Donetsk, but without much success. The 1st Corps is exhausted and the Ukrainian forces, although reduced, are not in a good defensive position. As for the rest, there were numerous small-scale battles all along the line, with no effect other than to fix and wear down the enemy forces a little. The capture of Orikhiv could be of interest to the Russians by threatening Zaporajjia but they lacked the forces in the sector to be able to consider it.
 
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This lamb has claws and teeth. They can try.
Fact.

One of them controls your energy and arms and the other controls the money supply and economy of that one. So your claws and teeth are worthless. See how being non-aligned works for you when your enemies are aligned.
 
Fact.

One of them controls your energy and arms and the other controls the money supply and economy of that one. So your claws and teeth are worthless. See how being non-aligned works for you when your enemies are aligned.
But they have 36 Rafale, which is a start.
 
Somehow, we have some pro Ukraine who want us to believe that Russians are getting decimated in this battle. But they have forgotten to hear what the Deputy defence Minister of Ukraine had to say. As per him, the counter battery fire of RA is far superior and as a result they have lost 50% of all equipment starting from Tanks to APCs to Arty to trucks in the war already. This has been admitted by him and this comes after they stated that they are losing 1000 men as dead/wounded everyday.
Now the big surprise, something what I had been saying all along. Heads of France, Germany and Italy visited Zelensky and asked him to agree for a ceasefire and ceed territory to Russia. But very surprisingly, immidiately after that Boris Johnson drops in unannounced and asks Zelensky not to agree for ceasefire. Does this not show the dual game being played by USA and its Poodle UK against the whole Europe?
 
Somehow, we have some pro Ukraine who want us to believe that Russians are getting decimated in this battle. But they have forgotten to hear what the Deputy defence Minister of Ukraine had to say. As per him, the counter battery fire of RA is far superior and as a result they have lost 50% of all equipment starting from Tanks to APCs to Arty to trucks in the war already. This has been admitted by him and this comes after they stated that they are losing 1000 men as dead/wounded everyday.
Now the big surprise, something what I had been saying all along. Heads of France, Germany and Italy visited Zelensky and asked him to agree for a ceasefire and ceed territory to Russia. But very surprisingly, immidiately after that Boris Johnson drops in unannounced and asks Zelensky not to agree for ceasefire. Does this not show the dual game being played by USA and its Poodle UK against the whole Europe?
Falsehood, EU heads did not ask Ukraine to cede territory.

Meanwhile:

Russia continues to export museum artefacts to the conflict because their losses have been so low.

 
The Rafale also needs fuel sadly.
Rafale fuel must be supplied by Dassault to ensure that it meets Dassault's specifications in order to guarantee the Performance Based Logistic contract. And Dassault always meets its obligations, whatever the circumstances.