Ukraine - Russia Conflict

PzH2000s have better range, but the CAESAR has better mobility and faster firing. The M1299 will have the best range when it comes out.
M1299 isn't coming anytime soon. The Swedish spg and french spg are prettty much the best truck mounted arty guns in europe. The German pzh isn't coming anytime soon on the ukrainian front. Let's see...
 
M1299 isn't coming anytime soon. The Swedish spg and french spg are prettty much the best truck mounted arty guns in europe. The German pzh isn't coming anytime soon on the ukrainian front. Let's see...
Ukrainians are already training on the PzH2000. But yes, really CAESAR and Archer are more what they need for fast mobility, setup, firing and egress. Plus HIMARS of course. More GPS rounds wouldn't go amiss.
 
That said, I'm not sure they should still be defending Severodonetsk given the surrounding area, but then I'm not a military tactician.
They actually pulled back a lot of troops. What happened is the city west of Severodonetsk is on a hill/high ground where Ukrainian arty was there waiting to spring the trap and it worked like a charm because Russian forces are led by morons. Ukraine is not sending back its troops these are recon forces since intel shows Russian forces pulled out.
 
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They actually pulled back a lot of troops. What happened is the city west of Severodonetsk is on a hill/high ground where Ukrainian arty was there waiting to spring the trap and it worked like a charm because Russian forces are led by morons. Ukraine is not sending back its troops these are recon forces since intel shows Russian forces pulled out.
Putin has said he wants Severodonetsk by 10th June, which likely means something else entirely, as with other things he has said since February.
 
The cost is the problem for MENA.

No they haven't. Russia has broken the law here not the West, as evidenced by UN votes. When you break the law you get sanctions. Trying to starve MENA nations as a counter to sanctions is all the more reason why you should be sanctioned even more.

Only one side it the bad guy and their friend is the deluded guy.

Ah, I didn't know laws were decided based on the majority and not based on ethics. :rolleyes:
 
For every deluded fool who still believes there is a point in negotiating with Putin:

So Macky Sall, in his quality as Chairman of the African Union, went to Moscow to appeal to Putin about the risks of famine and to urge him to let the grain flow.

He did not have to wait long for Putin's answer:

If true, he's overleveraging his leverage. But do we actually have proof it was a Russian attack? This is an opportune time for a false flag, since the leverage Russia has over the West regarding food is probably the best leverage they have, making it impossible to send such a violent message.
 
Ah, I didn't know laws were decided based on the majority and not based on ethics. :rolleyes:
So it's ethical and legal to invade a sovereign democracy, block grain exports to Africa, massacre townships and rape women but it's unethical to sanction someone for doing that?
 
And does the international rules based order involve invading a democracy that hasn't:
a) invaded another country;
b) sponsored terrorism; or
c) gassed its own people?

There is only one bad guy, stop being deliberately blind to the fact.

I don't see "removed legitimate govt via coup" anywhere.
 
If true, he's overleveraging his leverage. But do we actually have proof it was a Russian attack? This is an opportune time for a false flag, since the leverage Russia has over the West regarding food is probably the best leverage they have, making it impossible to send such a violent message.
It happened at the same time as a Russian missile attack. Putin doesn't care about perceptions anymore because he knows he's done on that front. He's just hitting out at the North African countries who condemned his invasion and kicked him off the human rights council.

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So it's ethical and legal to invade a sovereign democracy, block grain exports to Africa, massacre townships and rape women but it's unethical to sanction someone for doing that?

No, but it wouldn't be ethical to remove a legitimate democratic govt, which actually started the war.
 
I don't see "removed legitimate govt via coup" anywhere.
No, but it wouldn't be ethical to remove a legitimate democratic govt, which actually started the war.
If you're talking about Yanukovych? Yanukovych was elected on a manifesto mandate of joining the EU, but part way through his term Putin coerced him into joining the EEU instead and the people conducted a mass protest. A true statesmen would have tried to reconcile with the fact that the overwhelming public opinion was against joining the EEU, but he refused and then eventually fled to.... guess where?.... Russia. The police put up limited resistance to the popular movement and the military none. The US/NATO had nothing to do with it. It was solely down to a silly decision made by Yanukovych and Putin is disregard to the population of Ukraine. Putin then flipped his lid about losing his guy in Ukraine and invaded Crimea and used his military covertly to destabilise the Donbass so that Ukraine couldn't function as a normal country.
 
It happened at the same time as a Russian missile attack. Putin doesn't care about perceptions anymore because he knows he's done on that front. He's just hitting out at the North African countries who condemned his invasion and kicked him off the human rights council.

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This is one of those things that negotiation will solve. Both Russia and the West currently hold two extreme positions, so you gotta play ball.

Let's see whose turn it is:
American-led coup in Ukraine
Russian-led invasion of Crimea and Donbas
American-led genocide of Donbas
Russian-led invasion of Ukraine
American-led across-the-board sanctions on Russia and aid to Ukraine
Russia-led blockage of food exports
...
...so this is where we are at. What is America's play now? The ball's in the Western court.
 
If you're talking about Yanukovych? Yanukovych was elected on a manifesto mandate of joining the EU, but part way through his term Putin coerced him into joining the EEU instead and the people conducted a mass protest. A true statesmen would have tried to reconcile with the fact that the overwhelming public opinion was against joining the EEU, but he refused and then eventually fled to.... guess where?.... Russia. The police put up limited resistance to the popular movement and the military none. The US/NATO had nothing to do with it. It was solely down to a silly decision made by Yanukovych and Putin is disregard to the population of Ukraine. Putin then flipped his lid about losing his guy in Ukraine and invaded Crimea and used his military covertly to destabilise the Donbass so that Ukraine couldn't function as a normal country.

So you're saying all politicians come through on their promises made in elections manifestos?

I understand your blind support for Ukraine. But it appears it's deaf too.