Analysis Tracking USA VS China Trade war

China to slap tariffs up to 25 per cent on US$60 billion of US goods



60 billion response to 200 billion ? what a soft response really. notice how they can't put tariffs on key American goods for China? Like no talk about putting tariffs on semiconductors or anything like that.

because they're economy is still a paper tiger propped up by massive credit and foreign tech. one swift push and the house will come tumbling down.

what happened for tit for tat response to America's aggresion?
 
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China to slap tariffs up to 25 per cent on US$60 billion of US goods



60 billion response to 200 billion ? what a soft response really. notice how they can't put tariffs on key American goods for China? Like no talk about putting tariffs on semiconductors or anything like that.

because they're economy is still a paper tiger propped up by massive credit and foreign tech. one swift push and the house will come tumbling down.

what happened for tit for tat response to America's aggresion?
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True. But their response will be more asymmetric . They'd resort to sabotaging Geo political alignments . There's a lot of hot spots around the world where they could initiate such measures - from Taiwan to NK to Iran and beyond .
 
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True. But their response will be more asymmetric . They'd resort to sabotaging Geo political alignments . There's a lot of hot spots around the world where they could initiate such measures - from Taiwan to NK to Iran and beyond .
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Be my and America's metaphorical guest, I hope the sabotage the North Korea meetings, I'm sure that's exactly what China needs for is global reputation right now while it's trying it's hardest to sway american allies away from the USA in the era of Trump.

Secretly, people are happy with the trade war, no one admits it over here, but we're all tired of China's talk and promises of liberalization from a market and political perspective. Obama had no idea how to deal with Xi because he's a soft leader in general. Trump despite all his many faults is a strong leader, and when it comes to China, you need a strong leader to offer them the stick and a bigger stick until they are totally finished from a economic perspective. How is China going to deleverage at the same time as dealing with natural slowdowns in their economy and a trade war that's threatening their currency solvency. I've said it before and I'll say it again, China's rise is not unstoppable or something. Just look for their historical weakness and push hard on that subject. Inflation is their historical weakness, and it's going to be their downfall this time. Credit and housing bubble pop will ensure America's safety from China's aggressiveness for the next century.


So many times has America stumbled and recovered, China has been fat on 40 years of straight economic growth. How are they going to react to for the first time internal and external pressures on their economy? Usually it's never from both sides, let alone Trump's version of "pressure,"


We're entering cold war part 2. People just don't know it yet. no one cares about what China does to mess with America anymore, it was only painful because we deluded ourselves to think that China was potentially a friend in the long run should we shower them with market access and WTO accessions even though they don't meet the guidelines at all. China stealing our stuff was always swept under the rug, no more

Raw economics is what going to determine who's left standing after this global trade war takes its toll on the world.
 
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Be my and America's metaphorical guest, I hope the sabotage the North Korea meetings, I'm sure that's exactly what China needs for is global reputation right now while it's trying it's hardest to sway american allies away from the USA in the era of Trump.

Secretly, people are happy with the trade war, no one admits it over here, but we're all tired of China's talk and promises of liberalization from a market and political perspective. Obama had no idea how to deal with Xi because he's a soft leader in general. Trump despite all his many faults is a strong leader, and when it comes to China, you need a strong leader to offer them the stick and a bigger stick until they are totally finished from a economic perspective. How is China going to deleverage at the same time as dealing with natural slowdowns in their economy and a trade war that's threatening their currency solvency. I've said it before and I'll say it again, China's rise is not unstoppable or something. Just look for their historical weakness and push hard on that subject. Inflation is their historical weakness, and it's going to be their downfall this time. Credit and housing bubble pop will ensure America's safety from China's aggressiveness for the next century.


So many times has America stumbled and recovered, China has been fat on 40 years of straight economic growth. How are they going to react to for the first time internal and external pressures on their economy? Usually it's never from both sides, let alone Trump's version of "pressure,"


We're entering cold war part 2. People just don't know it yet. no one cares about what China does to mess with America anymore, it was only painful because we deluded ourselves to think that China was potentially a friend in the long run should we shower them with market access and WTO accessions even though they don't meet the guidelines at all. China stealing our stuff was always swept under the rug, no more

Raw economics is what going to determine who's left standing after this global trade war takes its toll on the world.
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While, I agree with you but China's, fall will have repercussions as economically every single country ont he plantet is dependent on them from production of basic stuff from lights to smartphones. China's collapse will have global effects for atleat 5-7 years.
 
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While, I agree with you but China's, fall will have repercussions as economically every single country ont he plantet is dependent on them from production of basic stuff from lights to smartphones. China's collapse will have global effects for atleat 5-7 years.
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Better than letting them hijack the global economy with their mercantilist/protectionist policy.

Note the Chinese exports to India. After lowered trade volume with the USA, China starts dumping cheap goods to screw with the domestic market.
 
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Better than letting them hijack the global economy with their mercantilist/protectionist policy.

Note the Chinese exports to India. After lowered trade volume with the USA, China starts dumping cheap goods to screw with the domestic market.
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Yeah and we here are facing closure of Medium and Small Manufacturing Enterprises due to Govt Inaction. there has to be a coordinated response in order to check. If the market exists the product will find its way legal or illegal. Bestweay is to have a 8-10 year paln to firmly put forth an ecossystem for it. and even if initial some thing comes from China, Ask them to set full fleged factories here or they dont get to sell shit. Do onto China what China has done to others.
 
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While, I agree with you but China's, fall will have repercussions as economically every single country ont he plantet is dependent on them from production of basic stuff from lights to smartphones. China's collapse will have global effects for atleat 5-7 years.
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Their place will be filled by others like south east asian countries. Its not China is producing the processors or chips that others cannot , its only they are producing it cheap. It will take some time to transition to take place thats the only hitch.
 
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While, I agree with you but China's, fall will have repercussions as economically every single country ont he plantet is dependent on them from production of basic stuff from lights to smartphones. China's collapse will have global effects for atleat 5-7 years.
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I don't think their low cost goods exports will be affected though. Their currency will devalue and they will just sell more outside.
 
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Their place will be filled by others like south east asian countries. Its not China is producing the processors or chips that others cannot , its only they are producing it cheap. It will take some time to transition to take place thats the only hitch.
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In all honesty we need to replicate that here in India. The motto here is making things from scratch... invite Chinese Pvt Companies to set up shop here. Or no access to market, like the Chinese have done to others I doubt they will oblige but have it as a precious precondition. If Chips and electronics are made here they will be costlier than china but they wont be back breaking expensive. the economy will adjust and adopt. the money circulation in domestic system will increase that's good, China has over capacity that is their problem, we have zero effing capacity that is our problem.

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I don't think their low cost goods exports will be affected though. Their currency will devalue and they will just sell more outside.
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Low Cost high volume are not a headache, these are stuff that anyone can make, their USP s they make high Value High tech goods, cheap by sheer economies of scale, hi tech medium to high value goods is where the main moolah of the stuff lies.
 
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Low Cost high volume are not a headache, these are stuff that anyone can make, their USP s they make high Value High tech goods, cheap by sheer economies of scale, hi tech medium to high value goods is where the main moolah of the stuff lies.
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Yeah, it's China's high value goods that the Americans want to attack through the trade war.
 
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