Third Battle of Panipat- A New Film

STEPHEN COHEN said:
In my view the Marathas expanded very rapidly after Aurangzeb's death

They even reached Attock ; so naturally the Afghans must have been planning revenge

They should have waited for some time for consolidation before taking on Afghans directly

Panipat was a Logistics disaster ; it was also an avoidable battle since Marathas were
on their own having antagonised all other Indian Kingdoms
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The Maratha never got any help.

They did not need it.

But to fight against them on the side of the Muslims first and then the Brits.

And then make a song and dance about Hindutva.

Is it any surprise that this crap doesn't find traction in Maharashtra.

It's called memory. And there is nothing but contempt for such Jaichands.

Cheers, Doc
 
Marathis do not blame anyone for the loss at Panipat. It happened 100sof years ago and politics was involved. Hindus were not united under a religious banner but then they NEVER were.

We also think its laughable that the reason was not moving to Delhi.

But pls dont fall for the efforts of some weirdo who keeps trying to sow discord among us under different victimhood stories.
 
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The Marathas fell because Shivaji's heirs lacked significant genitalia and squabbled among themselves and local generals.
 
The person calling Parsis names should think about Tata, Godrej and several others who have given unfathomable service to the nation. Most peaceful and fun loving people.
 
Noodler said:
The Marathas fell because Shivaji's heirs lacked significant genitalia and squabbled among themselves and local generals.
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As opposed to the excavator genitalia of their coreligionists who could not fight the invader, could not fight the Maratha, so eventually fought with the alien invader against the Maratha to soothe their epic estrogenised butthurt?

Cheers, Doc
 
Noodler said:
The person calling Parsis names should think about Tata, Godrej and several others who have given unfathomable service to the nation. Most peaceful and fun loving people.
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It's completely ok buddy.

A few rabid joker's on the internet makes for good fun.

Hardly affects a community that was not originally from this land, but still fought the invader alongside the Maratha, while the rest wore the proverbial haath mein chudi.

Cheers, Doc
 
Noodler said:
The Marathas fell because Shivaji's heirs lacked significant genitalia and squabbled among themselves and local generals.
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Historians agree that inner squabbling was a factor. Most famous maratha victories had their roots in speedy well coordinated attacks, they did not have that due to many factors including internal divisions.

But you must be a very brave man commenting on Shivajis heir's genetalia hundreds of years after on the internet using a forum handle lol
 
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Probably not as brave though as descendants of those who could not and would not fight the invader, who sided against Homeland forces, now passing judgment again the Marathas and calling them mercenaries without the will or the competence to rule.

Little wonder that self rule never had a chance.

Cheers, Doc
 
Notsuperstitious said:
Historians agree that inner squabbling was a factor. Most famous maratha victories had their roots in speedy well coordinated attacks, they did not have that due to many factors including internal divisions.

But you must be a very brave man commenting on Shivajis heir's genetalia hundreds of years after on the internet using a forum handle lol
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Start commenting on Christian or Catholic efforts in the fight for freedom against the Brits or the various Nizam's , Nawabs , etcvin the interim period between Mughals and the Brits. You could start with Tipu Sultan & his treatment of the Christians of Karnataka & Kerala & the "heroic resistance" that the Christians / Catholics put up . The genitalia - lack of it &/ or size will be apparent .

As for dickra , there used to be a Pakistani member in PDF whose every post invariably ended with the plight of Muslims in Lucknow and how Pakistan ought to focus on the liberation of the Muslims in India . Here again ,we have the same old tired strains repeated every alternate post - Bawas are the salt of the earth , Iranians particularly Shia Islam is another manifestation of Zoroastrianism , There are millions of crypto Zoroastrians in Iran , Bawas maintain pure bloodlines and more importantly Vedic religion derives from Zoroastrianism ( the last one is a hoot actually ) and if the NDA returns to power in 2019 ( which they won't since dickra here has declared they won't ) it's the end of days .

Out here, where I live , it's called dhol se zyaada manjeera bajna.
 
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Notsuperstitious said:
Historians agree that inner squabbling was a factor. Most famous maratha victories had their roots in speedy well coordinated attacks, they did not have that due to many factors including internal divisions.

But you must be a very brave man commenting on Shivajis heir's genetalia hundreds of years after on the internet using a forum handle lol
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It's true that internal squabbling was a problem for Marathas (as it was for most groups/empires throughout history - especially in our subcontinent); but anyone who has read how Chhatrapati Sambhaji attained martyrdom wouldn't ever make a comment about what Shivaji's heirs had and didn't have.
 
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Notsuperstitious said:
Historians agree that inner squabbling was a factor. Most famous maratha victories had their roots in speedy well coordinated attacks, they did not have that due to many factors including internal divisions.

But you must be a very brave man commenting on Shivajis heir's genetalia hundreds of years after on the internet using a forum handle lol
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Sambhaji lost a lot of ground to the Mughals and once he was executed his half brothers made sure they destroyed the Maratha kingdom with their own hands. They are not given any respect by local Marathi folk.
 
RATHORE said:
It's true that internal squabbling was a problem for Marathas (as it was for most groups/empires throughout history - especially in our subcontinent); but anyone who has read how Chhatrapati Sambhaji attained martyrdom wouldn't ever make a comment about what Shivaji's heirs had and didn't have.
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Typical pitfalls with judging hundreds of years of history. I have to wonder, do people actually have real complex personal lives? Then how do they feel comfortable judging other people like that?

That's without even mentioning WHY we study history. By the looks of it, people read history so that they can repeat it accurately :)
 
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Notsuperstitious said:
But you must be a very brave man commenting on Shivajis heir's genetalia hundreds of years after on the internet using a forum handle lol
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When I speak of heirs I don't mean to include Sambhaji...He did follow in his father's footsteps, but the British and Portuguese had guns by then .
 
Noodler said:
Sambhaji lost a lot of ground to the Mughals and once he was executed his half brothers made sure they destroyed the Maratha kingdom with their own hands. They are not given any respect by local Marathi folk.
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Where do you get your history from , man ? Please do read up on Rajaram & Tarabai .

People keep singing paeans to the sacrifice of the Sikhs especially their gurus in the Resistance they put up against the Mughals particularly Aurangzeb to justify why India today isn't completely Muslim . This is particularly true of the North . In the Deccan , it was the Vijaynagar Empire followed by Shivaji & the Marathas - all the way. It's not for nothing that he's revered out here. Were his endeavours recorded a millenia ago , he'd be a Demi God if not a God .
 
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Noodler said:
When I speak of heirs I don't mean to include Sambhaji...He did follow in his father's footsteps, but the British and Portuguese had guns by then .
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My personal view is there is no need to judge historical figures. Quoting facts or historical academic views is fine. But it is useless unless you use it positively.

Your comment was not useful.
 
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Where do you get your history from , man ? Please do read up on Rajaram & Tarabai .

People keep singing paeans to the sacrifice of the Sikhs especially their gurus in the Resistance they put up against the Mughals particularly Aurangzeb to justify why India today isn't completely Muslim . This is particularly true of the North . In the Deccan , it was the Vijaynagar Empire followed by Shivaji & the Marathas - all the way. It's not for nothing that he's revered out here. Were his endeavours recorded a millenia ago , he'd be a Demi God if not a God .
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Yup. What I meant to say .. none of Shivajis heirs had his tenacity and guile. The Marathas conquered almost the whole indian subcontinent under Shivaji. The day he was gone , began their decline. There was never a revival...
 
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Not a bawa. No , thank God .I keep telling you that . Jog your memory back to 2011 , dickraa and the exchange on PDF with an Indian member ,where insults and abuses resulting bans happened . You returned . I didn't . When I did with another ID , you were permanently banned or you never returned.





Coming from you .... I find it believable.I really do.
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Lol seriously.

You want me to remember you from 2011?

You are not that interesting man.

Welcome back. Behave.

Or not.

Cheers, Doc
 
Noodler said:
Yup. What I meant to say .. none of Shivajis heirs had his tenacity and guile. The Marathas conquered almost the whole indian subcontinent under Shivaji. The day he was gone , began their decline. There was never a revival...
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Marathas conquered whole of the subcontinent under Shivaji ??? Oh well...
 
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