S-400 'Triumf' News & Discussion

Technology wise if you want similar to Brahmos but in hypersonic regime , then a scramjet propulsion / augmented ramjet / dual mode ramjet are your option. All of these are likely at play in our future projects. Brahmos is liquid fuel ramjet tech and the fuel is hydrocarbon so in similar tech domain for hypersonic propulsion you go with a scramjet ie HCM program. You also have this mach 5 Brahmos which is augmenting the current ramjet being operated at a higher mach number with a better grade kerosene that delivers better Isp. For the air launched version they have the dual mode ramjet in mind & Hellbent sir had an old infographic on it.

So each one you mentioned are in the work for more than a decade already.
BrahMos-2 aka Zircon MKI should be expedited now. We have project Vishnu meanwhile to do the job ourselves. Parallel programs are always good and complement each other.
 
BrahMos-2 aka Zircon MKI should be expedited now. We have project Vishnu meanwhile to do the job ourselves. Parallel programs are always good and complement each other.
Unit cost is too high and the system itself is not stable , first time it was used one struck its target the way it was meant to but another was shot down as per Rus own info from Telegram. So obviously 1 was flown in a flight trajectory mode that is not suitable for practical use or has less chance of survival in a contested airspace by either not being able to maneuver a lot due to very high speed or by not avoiding/dodging all the AD zones along its flight path.

So you see the issue, ie why we had made our own guidance & control algo on Brahmos. This is key to Brahmos & Onyx sucess (along with very low altitude fly due to optimised ramjet which a scramjet powered missile will not be able to) that it uses DRDO made guidance algo programs in the OBC which decide best course. We have always heard how the Rus were impressed with modifications done by us in many of their products, I think this is another case.
See, that essentially makes S-500 as a BMD asset, rather than AD asset. AD role & BMD role are completely different , which is why our own AD BMD assets are treated as such for deployment. Specialised manpower operate BMD stuff covering the capital & other important place.
 
Definitely something big fell down. Someone should geolocate and give it to NDTV to get the MAXAR satellite images.
If their DA-20 EW/comjam (which was a major headache for the IAF during Balakot) jet was outvof action as is claimed, the only other 'high tech' ac would have to be Ereiye.
 
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They capture the satellite images daily, possibly even hourly. I think they archive the everyday images in their data center. That's how you can do the comparative analysis between two images of different dates.
The Indian government also might have some strike related data. However, it has not been disclosed. The wait continues.
 
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DRDO is reportedly set to start Kusha trials by next year. So we may not need any more S-400s beyond the 5 currently on order. Russia is yet to deliver 2 systems out of those. But there's no question that S-400 is worth its weight in gold.
Nah we need s-400's for the North East sector. Our requirement was for 10 more regiments. A total of 15 regiments across the country. Kusha comes at a lower level than the s400. We also need the s-500. These two programmes need to be prioritsed.
A piecemeal f-35 deal can be done to keep the Americans happy and order the 114 rafales and 85 supersukhois.
Unit cost is too high and the system itself is not stable , first time it was used one struck its target the way it was meant to but another was shot down as per Rus own info from Telegram. So obviously 1 was flown in a flight trajectory mode that is not suitable for practical use or has less chance of survival in a contested airspace by either not being able to maneuver a lot due to very high speed or by not avoiding/dodging all the AD zones along its flight path.

So you see the issue, ie why we had made our own guidance & control algo on Brahmos. This is key to Brahmos & Onyx sucess (along with very low altitude fly due to optimised ramjet which a scramjet powered missile will not be able to) that it uses DRDO made guidance algo programs in the OBC which decide best course. We have always heard how the Rus were impressed with modifications done by us in many of their products, I think this is another case.

See, that essentially makes S-500 as a BMD asset, rather than AD asset. AD role & BMD role are completely different , which is why our own AD BMD assets are treated as such for deployment. Specialised manpower operate BMD stuff covering the capital & other important place.
Our BMD is not mobile like the s-500 only the AAD has similar capability but is still less mobile in the s500. The s500 can be used in offensive roles.
 
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Our BMD is not mobile like the s-500 only the AAD has similar capability but is still less mobile in the s500. The s500 can be used in offensive roles.
Currently BMD is to be deployed to cover the 4 metros only , in line with the radars and radar sites. So the relatively less mobility approach is alright. besides, we do not have area size of Rus to cover hence less mobility but good capability is always chosen. This capability need an expansion for country wide coverage.

Hence a conscious approach is going on to gradually implement a broader BMD system in multi phase mode and a roadmap is set. At the heart of it is of course telemetry and tracking, right? hence deal with Rus for very long range radar system. Then base the model system on the same tune and build domestic equivalent with tweaks. Further deploy your bmd assets accordingly and across multi platforms ie ships and land.
 
Nah we need s-400's for the North East sector. Our requirement was for 10 more regiments. A total of 15 regiments across the country. Kusha comes at a lower level than the s400. We also need the s-500. These two programmes need to be prioritsed.
A piecemeal f-35 deal can be done to keep the Americans happy and order the 114 rafales and 85 supersukhois.
If recent reports are accurate, Kusha will have a 400km range class interceptor too. We might see a 'M4' variant with an even bigger booster than M3. The radars are reportedly going to be comparable to the THAADs TPY-2 which can see out to 2000km+. So Kusha would meet our immediate needs quite well imo.

S-500 is an upper-tier, strategic BMD system meant to complement/replace legacy systems like A-135. If AD-1/2 work as expected, then we wont be needing S-500. In any case, Russia is only just deploying the first units and we'll have to see what their performance is like.

The F-35 would have a greater deterrence effect on our adversaries than Su-57 imo. But sovereignty issues will need to be sorted out. Instead of the aircraft carrier JWG (which is just chai biskoot at this point), I wish we started a F-35 JWG with the US with Rakesh Bhadauria as our team lead.
 
Soon the Army's AAA gun program will reach trial stage. Two contenders are there: BHEL and L&T. The initial requirement is of 220 systems but the overall numbers will be around 1400. The selected gun will replace L70 and ZSU-23.

What we saw from this war was that it was not only a war of weapons but economic as well. Enemy does saturated attack using low cost drone to get your costly AD missile utilized and hence inflict the cost even in the case your drone is shoot down. We need a cost effective solution to deal with this sort of problem where enemy can not inflict economic damage even in the case of their weapons being shot down. This requires economic considerations while developing a weapon. Innovation and research is require for the solution of problem. The solution lies in EW, Laser, low cost missile to deal with saturated attack. I am happy to see that is being done from India's side. We need to build upon what is being developed to date. Bhargavastra and similar system integrated with Akash Teer along with Laser and pulse accelerator etc. sort of weapons shall be the future course of action.
 
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Its not extra systems, rather the extra missiles to replenish the stock and keep a larger one. This makes more sense. We are yet to receive 2 more units right ? or 1 more was delivered in 2024-25 can not remember? Even sending the missiles due with the rest 1-2 units earlier than the firing units would be ok for now.
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So we are officially entering the era of S 400 where print media will tell me how we are buying S 400 for the next 3 years? Aww man I'll miss the 5 years of print media telling me how we are buying Su 57 and F 35.
 
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