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IAF Announces First Major Wargame Involving Rafale Fighter Jets, To Take Part In Exercise SKYROS With France
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has announced its first major wargames involving the recently inducted Rafale Fighter Jets.
As reported by ANI, the IAF along with the French Air Force will take part in Exercise SKYROS in Jodhpur. This exercise will be conducted in the third week of January.
France too will be flying in its Rafale fighter jets for the exercise. In addition to the Rafales, IAF will use the Sukhoi Fighter Jets during the exercise.
"The French Air Force Rafale fighters would be coming to Jodhpur for the SKYROS wargames which would see them flying with Indian Rafales from the 17 Squadron and the Su-30MKI fighters deployed there", the report says.
Unlike the previous wargames, SKYROS will see both India and France undertaking complex manoeuvres.
This exercise will come at a time when India is locked in a standoff with China at the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
IAF is set to receive at least three more Dassault Rafale fighter jets in the coming month in what will mark the third round of deliveries taking the total number of the aircraft received to 11.
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has announced its first major wargames involving the recently inducted Rafale Fighter Jets.
As reported by ANI, the IAF along with the French Air Force will take part in Exercise SKYROS in Jodhpur. This exercise will be conducted in the third week of January.
France too will be flying in its Rafale fighter jets for the exercise. In addition to the Rafales, IAF will use the Sukhoi Fighter Jets during the exercise.
"The French Air Force Rafale fighters would be coming to Jodhpur for the SKYROS wargames which would see them flying with Indian Rafales from the 17 Squadron and the Su-30MKI fighters deployed there", the report says.
Unlike the previous wargames, SKYROS will see both India and France undertaking complex manoeuvres.
This exercise will come at a time when India is locked in a standoff with China at the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
IAF is set to receive at least three more Dassault Rafale fighter jets in the coming month in what will mark the third round of deliveries taking the total number of the aircraft received to 11.
Limited to 9g not to 11g
The French use SPECTRA to send waves simulating radar to be reflected off chaffs that have been fired.
Limited to 9g not to 11g
The French use SPECTRA to send waves simulating radar to be reflected off chaffs that have been fired.
The towed decoy is still needed though. The same was said by the French Navy Rafale pilot.
AFAIK, the French use only X band ECM capability. So the towed decoy should provide much greater options. It can also perform its own independent jamming functions, like jamming the SAM's engagement radar, not just the missile itself.
Then there's the safety factor. The extended distance between the aircraft and the decoy can protect it from SAMs with large warheads, like the 180Kgs used in the 48N6, which requires a large miss distance.
Furthermore, you should be able to use both SPECTRA and the decoy together. If a Rafale ends up within the engagement zone of a SAM site, it's going to be greeted with many missiles, not just 1 or 2. So the decoy only adds to the Rafale's survivability. Even the F-117 shot down in Serbia had to dodge an unknown number of missiles before it was shot down.
F-16 Dodges 6 Iraqi SAM Launches
F-16, callsign Stroke 3, dodging 6 SAM launches during Desert Storm. This was one of the largest daytime raids and after 2 nights of pounding by coalition forces the Iraqi's were throwing everything they had. The vid starts out with his premission
In fact the two working in tandem could do even better. So SPECTRA can perform active cancellation and hide the Rafale, while the decoy can perform active jamming and try to defeat the radar on its own.
Also, let's not forget that Thales is also developing an active decoy tentatively called LEA that's shot out of the CMDS dispenser, like the BriteCloud. One of the reasons it's being built is to defeat missiles that work in the Ka and Ku bands.
So, while the LEA is a one-use system, the towed decoy is a multi-use system. If Thales thinks an active decoy is necessary to complement the SPECTRA, then there's no difference if it's towed or thrown.
No ECM was not used only on X band it was used from 0.6 to 18 Gz at the begining then upgaded to 0.6 to 40 Gz with F3R and will be upgrade in low band and high band for India. I don't know for low band but for high band it will be more than 300 Gz. I believe for low band it will be 0.2 Gz.
The difference is 9 G against 11 G.
The Rafale seems to be having a great effect among Pakistanis and Chinese.
Then we can't tell for sure until the actual frequencies are released.
I think the difference is the towed decoy has to give up two hardpoints while the LEA won't take up any space on the hardpoints. When it comes to 9G vs 11G, typically external stores are dropped before a jet enters a dog fight, so even the decoy can be dropped in such a situation. Anyway, the IAF plans to equip their pilots with a HMDS, and it may come with a 9G limitation anyway, so it's unlikely we are interested in the 11G performance, unless of course the helmet is much lighter than regular ones.
The main advantage with a towed decoy versus a thrown decoy is in the employment of additional tactics. You can use a towed decoy to bait the enemy. Also the towed decoy may be mission-specific, so only some aircraft will likely be carrying it, whereas some aircraft, especially those meant for fighter sweeps and escorts, may only carry the LEA. Those with the towed decoys, like the ones providing recce, strike etc, may not be expected to get into dog fights. There's plenty of flexibility available with this option.
Limited to 9g not to 11g
The French use SPECTRA to send waves simulating radar to be reflected off chaffs that have been fired.
How you counter AESA, the waves will be different every split second.
"When Dragons are together", there seems to be a bit of confusion here:The Rafale seems to be having a great effect among Pakistanis and Chinese.
Either
1. Its referring to both Pakistanis and chinese as dragons
Or
2. Its referring to both the J10 and JF-17 as dragons
which seems problematic to me cause:
if its reasoning number 1, then it means that Pakistanis have made a new discovery about their ancestry(keeps changing every year) and have traced their lineage from hans [didn't they associate their national identity with some rare/near-extinct mountain goat or something?].
if its reasoning number 2, then it means that even the chinese admit that JF17 is chinese made[hence the 2 dragons] & Pakistanis are just painting them green.
Also, I saw some hilarious posts on twitter but didn't want to post them here since that would be unnecessary. As we can see their propaganda is on full throttle, so here we go:
Expectations:
Reality:
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It is a reference to China and the JF-17 sqn which is called Dragons.
If it was easy everyone would do it, it's because it's difficult that only the French do it.
4 French air force jets to come for wargames with IAF’s Rafale jets from 19 Jan
India is also considering a French proposal to acquire six Airbus 330 multi-role transport tanker aircraft on a government-to-government basis for expanding the strike capability of the Indian Air Force
Four Rafale fighters of the French Air Force will land in India this month to participate in joint exercises with the Indian Air Force’s Golden Arrows Squadron that was resurrected in September last with the induction of the Rafale fighter jets. The exercises have been scheduled between 19 and 25 January in the skies over the deserts of Rajasthan, people familiar with the matter said.
Dassault Aviation has handed over 18 of the 36 contracted Rafale fighter jets to India. 11 have been inducted into the Indian Air Force while 7 are being used for training IAF pilots in France. (Dassault Aviation /A Pecchi)
Four Rafale fighters of the French Air Force will land in India this month to participate in joint exercises with the Indian Air Force’s Golden Arrows Squadron that was resurrected in September last with the induction of the Rafale fighter jets. The exercises have been scheduled between 19 and 25 January in the skies over the deserts of Rajasthan, people familiar with the matter said.
The French air force’s Rafales will be accompanied by the Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport aircraft (MRTT) for aerial refuelling support. The four fighters will also participate in joint exercises with the Australian Air Force before reaching India.
The wargames, named Exercise Skyros, will take place over the air force firing range in Rajasthan’s Pokhran that had seen Indian Air Force fighters participate in Exercise Vayu Shakti. The 2019 exercise was designed to let the pilots practise and showcase the IAF’s ability to strike targets including radars and enemy convoys on the ground.
The joint exercises are expected to focus on interoperability, low flying over the desert and manoeuvrability of the omni role fighters. The exercises involving the Rafales - which would be India’s frontline fighter in case of conflict in East Ladakh or elsewhere - are being held weeks after Chinese and Pakistani air force carried out joint exercises near India’s western border.
Exercise Skyros will be the first joint exercise involving the Indian Air Force’s Rafale fighter jets and is cited as another example of the deepening military ties between the two countries, a senior Indian military officer said.
The Indian Air Force has inducted 11 of the 36 Rafale jets ordered by New Delhi at a cost of Rs 59,000 crore. Seven more fighters have been handed over to India by Dassault but these are being used for training IAF pilots in France. The third batch of three fighter jets is scheduled to land on January 27.
A top Indian Air Force officer said there was a possibility that the three Rafale jets could, logistics permitting, fly together with the French Air Force’s four fighters and the Airbus A300 MRTT.
India is also considering a French proposal to acquire six Airbus 330 multi-role transport tanker aircraft on a government-to-government basis for expanding the strike capability of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The mid-air refuelers can be turned into purely a tanker or transport or air ambulance or all three at the same time with a total crew of three. Else, it can transport 260 personnel in the cabin and fuel in the cargo hold.
The refuelers are crucial to expand the operational envelope of the fighter jets of the air force and the navy by extending range, letting a Su-30 MKI or Rafale flying from Port Blair fly all the way up to Sunda, Lombard and Malacca Straits for freedom of navigation missions.
A senior IAF official had earlier described the French proposal as a win-win for the Indian air force and France.
The Indo-Pacific is home to 1.5 million French citizens on island territories that give it an exclusive economic zone of more than 11 million sq km, the second largest in the world.
France has spoken out for India on several occasions in the context of the stand-off with China along the Line of Actual Control. Back in June when 20 Indian soldiers laid down their lives to repel China People’s Liberation Army troopers in Galwan Valley, the French defence minister Parly had made it a point to write to defence minister Rajnath Singh to convey her country’s “steadfast and friendly” support in these “difficult circumstances”.
France has traditionally been the most dependable and consistent supporter of India at the United Nations and elsewhere too. Like when India carried out the 1998 nuclear tests, France was the only country among the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council that did criticise or back sanctions against India.
Are u bringing the new Talios pods to the exercise?4 French air force jets to come for wargames with IAF’s Rafale jets from 19 Jan
India is also considering a French proposal to acquire six Airbus 330 multi-role transport tanker aircraft on a government-to-government basis for expanding the strike capability of the Indian Air Force
Four Rafale fighters of the French Air Force will land in India this month to participate in joint exercises with the Indian Air Force’s Golden Arrows Squadron that was resurrected in September last with the induction of the Rafale fighter jets. The exercises have been scheduled between 19 and 25 January in the skies over the deserts of Rajasthan, people familiar with the matter said.
Dassault Aviation has handed over 18 of the 36 contracted Rafale fighter jets to India. 11 have been inducted into the Indian Air Force while 7 are being used for training IAF pilots in France. (Dassault Aviation /A Pecchi)
Four Rafale fighters of the French Air Force will land in India this month to participate in joint exercises with the Indian Air Force’s Golden Arrows Squadron that was resurrected in September last with the induction of the Rafale fighter jets. The exercises have been scheduled between 19 and 25 January in the skies over the deserts of Rajasthan, people familiar with the matter said.
The French air force’s Rafales will be accompanied by the Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport aircraft (MRTT) for aerial refuelling support. The four fighters will also participate in joint exercises with the Australian Air Force before reaching India.
The wargames, named Exercise Skyros, will take place over the air force firing range in Rajasthan’s Pokhran that had seen Indian Air Force fighters participate in Exercise Vayu Shakti. The 2019 exercise was designed to let the pilots practise and showcase the IAF’s ability to strike targets including radars and enemy convoys on the ground.
The joint exercises are expected to focus on interoperability, low flying over the desert and manoeuvrability of the omni role fighters. The exercises involving the Rafales - which would be India’s frontline fighter in case of conflict in East Ladakh or elsewhere - are being held weeks after Chinese and Pakistani air force carried out joint exercises near India’s western border.
Exercise Skyros will be the first joint exercise involving the Indian Air Force’s Rafale fighter jets and is cited as another example of the deepening military ties between the two countries, a senior Indian military officer said.
The Indian Air Force has inducted 11 of the 36 Rafale jets ordered by New Delhi at a cost of Rs 59,000 crore. Seven more fighters have been handed over to India by Dassault but these are being used for training IAF pilots in France. The third batch of three fighter jets is scheduled to land on January 27.
A top Indian Air Force officer said there was a possibility that the three Rafale jets could, logistics permitting, fly together with the French Air Force’s four fighters and the Airbus A300 MRTT.
India is also considering a French proposal to acquire six Airbus 330 multi-role transport tanker aircraft on a government-to-government basis for expanding the strike capability of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The mid-air refuelers can be turned into purely a tanker or transport or air ambulance or all three at the same time with a total crew of three. Else, it can transport 260 personnel in the cabin and fuel in the cargo hold.
The refuelers are crucial to expand the operational envelope of the fighter jets of the air force and the navy by extending range, letting a Su-30 MKI or Rafale flying from Port Blair fly all the way up to Sunda, Lombard and Malacca Straits for freedom of navigation missions.
A senior IAF official had earlier described the French proposal as a win-win for the Indian air force and France.
The Indo-Pacific is home to 1.5 million French citizens on island territories that give it an exclusive economic zone of more than 11 million sq km, the second largest in the world.
France has spoken out for India on several occasions in the context of the stand-off with China along the Line of Actual Control. Back in June when 20 Indian soldiers laid down their lives to repel China People’s Liberation Army troopers in Galwan Valley, the French defence minister Parly had made it a point to write to defence minister Rajnath Singh to convey her country’s “steadfast and friendly” support in these “difficult circumstances”.
France has traditionally been the most dependable and consistent supporter of India at the United Nations and elsewhere too. Like when India carried out the 1998 nuclear tests, France was the only country among the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council that did criticise or back sanctions against India.
The Su-57 is far superior for such missions. Of course, there's also the upcoming USN NGAD, as long as they allow exports, one can be sure the USAF NGAD will not be exported.
I dont what is giving IAF & mod confidence to go on new aircraft purchase. The rapid modernisation of our enemy in east is not giving any headache for them.
If tweets of Pravin sawhney, the Chinese agent is to be believed, a Chinese military attack on is coming in 2023.