Add additional F5 variants as follow on orders for IAF. Probably it will match SU30 MKI numbers
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Afaik, the IAF M2000H was based on the French M2000C standard. Both models are more or less the same vintage.
In any case, the Atlis-2 pods on our jets back then could only be used in daylight conditions.
Otoh, the Litening offered both day and night capability. I reckon the IAF would've tuned Matra BGL to work in tandem with the Litening - if the cost benefit analysis had worked out.
We couldn't have used Paveway-2 as we were under US sanctions back then. We turned to Israel and the rest is history.
A gentler phrasing of what the French actually say in Euro subreddits (the least racist version):
Lo and behold, import bahadurs and dalals of this forum, better keep those payments up even if you have to mortgage atmanirbharta!
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No need to buy additional Rafale to get the F5 capabilities. Its one of the strongest advantage of this platform since the begining. The ability to be easily upgraded.
This aside, when India will have a major facilities to build the majority of the Rafale from his territory, if LCA MK2 and AMCA are getting delayed, yes, additionnal orders could come. Possible, but honnestly, I don't know. They should also buy what will makes the Rafale an incredible system : the associated UCAV.
Everyone thinks the same thing, the French are not unique. I'm sure the Russians, Americans, and Chinese all think the same thing about Indian capabilities behind our back. It's not racism, it's a pretty basick question.
I'm excited about Rafale
But I really want this indo french tie up to extend to both
French support on Amca development to speed up progress
Beyond that I really believe we should jump on to Fcas now ...Get into bed with French
But I really want this indo french tie up to extend to both
French support on Amca development to speed up progress
Beyond that I really believe we should jump on to Fcas now ...Get into bed with French
French have literally nothing to offer in terms of support to the AMCA program and neither will their help speed up its development.
Apart from some imported LRUs which will become a pain in the *censored* if the supply chain are effed up again, there is literally zero that they can give the program which we don't have already.
FCAS was an audacious science project that is nearing its end thanks to age old partnership arguments between France, Germany and Spain.
It's collapse is not a question of if, but when.
If the Govt and the IAF are dead serious about AMCA, then they need to fund it to the magnitude of the deal sizes of P75I and MRFA.
French sourcing supports the aerospace ecosystem and provides an alternative to the DPSU monopoly. If you consider imports to be inevitable, then this deal is better for the country than enriching a monopoly.
What I think we should get in this Rafale deal
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1. 120 KN engine deal
2. Rafales versatility - since long we know even sorties rates / year can be adjusted to the requirements
3. Base /Depot level maintenance
4. Modular everything
5. Modern private aerospace industry in addition to Amca consortium and HAL
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1. 120 KN engine deal
2. Rafales versatility - since long we know even sorties rates / year can be adjusted to the requirements
3. Base /Depot level maintenance
4. Modular everything
5. Modern private aerospace industry in addition to Amca consortium and HAL
You would be replacing the alleged DPSU monopoly (HAL is anyway out of the picture, so don't know where this is coming from) with LRUs original from foreign OEMs for whom you hold neither the IP nor the design know-how & know-why.
If suppose the supply chains are to break down tomorrow, the AMCA won't fly because some critical subcomponents cannot be delivered.
In the long run, this dependency will hurt us more than some alleged DPSU monopoly.
Read again, Not replacing anything. i was talking about ecosystem. Not about putting french LRUs in AMCA.
Well what if that is a mandate/prerequisite for them supporting the AMCA program?
Twitter war between Rafale import supporters and those who questioned it turned ugly..
Why the heck they can't answer, there is no ready working 5 th gen available to buy without heavy strings attached..
Rafales are best mature aircraft we could buy without selling sovereignty.
And with engine deal, our rest of fleet will also be free of dependence in the future..
And those who think investing only money on our research will bring success is not true.
There are whole lot of things have to improve just like our society.
Why the heck they can't answer, there is no ready working 5 th gen available to buy without heavy strings attached..
Rafales are best mature aircraft we could buy without selling sovereignty.
And with engine deal, our rest of fleet will also be free of dependence in the future..
And those who think investing only money on our research will bring success is not true.
There are whole lot of things have to improve just like our society.
Better to leave def. X alone for a few days. You can always go back after things have cooled down a bit. I saw a few spats have gone down a slippery slope and no longer have anything to do with weapon systems.
IMO the contract to assemble Rafale should go to the one who'll be manufacturing AMCA.
Are there any indications from officials that HAL won't be making Rafale?
HAL clarified that it has not received any communication that it's going to be manufacturing the Rafales in India.
