Pralay and Shaurya: Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missiles

Still, you see the difference in weight. In battlefield more speed, the logistics is more important for a theatrical ballistic missile.

It's a more modern design with smaller and lighter electronics and a powerful motor. You can bet the capability gain is going to reflect in the cost.

If you are comparing it with the Pralay, then you have to take note that the Pralay's first cousin was designed back in the 80s. It's just a rehashed Prithvi. Naturally there are cost advantages to that, and we do not need the additional ease of logistics, with the end result being effectively better than the LORA due to its additional 300-350Kg in payload and an additional 100Km range advantage. Pralay might be faster as well.
 
It's a more modern design with smaller and lighter electronics and a powerful motor. You can bet the capability gain is going to reflect in the cost.

If you are comparing it with the Pralay, then you have to take note that the Pralay's first cousin was designed back in the 80s. It's just a rehashed Prithvi. Naturally there are cost advantages to that, and we do not need the additional ease of logistics, with the end result being effectively better than the LORA due to its additional 300-350Kg in payload and an additional 100Km range advantage. Pralay might be faster as well.
IA, like our other two military wings are using different type of platforms. They know how to handle that mess. And resigning a forty old missile with little bit increment? Just think about reloading a 5 tonn behemoth or problems facing logistics.
 
IA, like our other two military wings are using different type of platforms. They know how to handle that mess. And resigning a forty old missile with little bit increment? Just think about reloading a 5 tonn behemoth or problems facing logistics.

Our entire logistics chain is built around it. Even changing that will cost a lot of money.

Also, the LORA will have different types of warheads which will increase or decrease range based on the type of warhead used. It won't deliver its entire payload to its highest range.
 
Our entire logistics chain is built around it. Even changing that will cost a lot of money.

Also, the LORA will have different types of warheads which will increase or decrease range based on the type of warhead used. It won't deliver its entire payload to its highest range.
Yeah, last part i agree. Even i too suspected it.
But i cannot agree with the first part. Asper your logic IAF then should have ordered su35 or mig35 instead of rafale for the utilisation of existing ecosystem.
 
But i cannot agree with the first part. Asper your logic IAF then should have ordered su35 or mig35 instead of rafale for the utilisation of existing ecosystem.

Apples and oranges.

Aircraft are bought entirely based on capability. The Rafale's capability is different from Su-35s or Mig-35s. But there is no increase in capability if we replace Pralay with LORA, in fact it's a downgrade.

A more apt comparison would be Gripen E and MWF.
 
Apples and oranges.

Aircraft are bought entirely based on capability. The Rafale's capability is different from Su-35s or Mig-35s. But there is no increase in capability if we replace Pralay with LORA, in fact it's a downgrade.

A more apt comparison would be Gripen E and MWF.
The easiness in handling a LORA type missile in battle field isn't capability or what? And for your info, i never told that we should purchase lora. Instead i want our drdo to develop one such missile instead of reworking on 40 year old platform.
 
I had since long consistently maintained that shaurya was in operational service ( mostly in the other forum )

A new launcher with integrated gas booster and mounted on a TEL was deployed since long .

Also attachment of logistics vehicles like reloading crane mounted on a vehicle lends credibility to the same.

Also parts for shaurya was under continuous production across the industry , why ? If not already in production ?

Shaurya AFAIK is deployed in both fixed and mobile modes on land

Today's test was an updated shaurya with newer avionic subsystems developed for pralay

Also pralay is same as shaurya more or less. It is based on it and I personally consider pralay ( TVC , no booster ) as variant of shaurya ( no TVC , with booster ) designed for niche roles with reduced ranges , optimised role specific warheads , better deployment options , reduced costs , lower logistics and better targetting options etc

I made this 2 months ago

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And another one a year back, that's the new Tel , the arrow marks indicates the support beams for the canvas inorder to cover the cannister launcher during transport .

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Another few pics which I had posted a year back relating to shaurya .

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That's the over ground silo ( in the context of operational deployment ) , many would argue that it is a test fixture and I would agree , but thing is why the need to upgrade a test fixture , if one compares this test fixture with the older one would see the addition of holding / alignment arms . What's the need for additional complexity with the addition of the same for tests only when one has all the time in the world to put in the missile correctly during tests unless the intent is for operational deployment where proper deployment at the minimum possible time is a overriding priority . Shaurya never had a numerous test regime which would necessitate such modifications.

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Anyways build a hut / house / whatever over the same with a sliding roof and nobody will be wiser .

All the above is my personal opinion .
 
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@_Anonymous_ here you go. An article written by Shishir Gupta.

Govt okays induction of nuke-capable Shaurya missile amid Ladakh standoff

The test firing of 4 missiles by DRDO in a month - the fourth will be tested around mid-October - is a message to the country’s adversary that India will not cow down to any coercion, military or diplomatic

Updated: Oct 06, 2020 12:09 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi


The Narendra Modi government has quietly approved induction and deployment of 700-km range surface-to-surface supersonic Shaurya strategic missile even as forward movement has been recorded in development of 5,000 km range K-5 submarine-launched ballistic missile. Shaurya is the land version of the submarine-launched BA-05 missile and has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO). The land version was discreetly tested for the final time before induction as part of user trials in Odisha’s Balasore on October 3.

According to top missile experts, Shaurya is a delivery system stored in a composite canister for rapid deployment and minimum interaction with the elements for a long period. The strategic missile flies at a supersonic speed of Mach 7, or 2.4 km per second, at a height of 50 km (within atmosphere) and hits the designated target at Mach 4. (Wut ? The missile slows down ? why ? terminal stage maneuvers ?)

The missile will be soon deployed at locations identified by the Indian Strategic Forces Command under guidance from National Security Council. The missile has a warhead weighing around 160 kg. (At that warhead size the missile can reach over 1800 kms)

While the Modi government’s decision to go for a land version is significant as the missile can be launched by a single vehicle, the DRDO is also making rapid strides in the development of a 5,000 km version of the submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM). With a range equivalent to Agni-5 land-based ballistic missile, the K-5 will be deployed on Arihant class of nuclear submarines.

While missile scientists are tight-lipped about the K-5 SLBM, the weapon system is expected to be tested in the next 15 months and then deployed on the 6,000-tonne Arihant class of SSBNs. The second Arihant-class nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arighat, is to be operationalised within the next six months.


The consecutive testing of hypersonic missile (September 7), Shaurya missile (October 3) and supersonic missile assisted release of torpedo (October 5) by DRDO from Balasore are clear signals from the government to the country’s adversary that India will not cow down to any coercion. The 800 km-range subsonic Nirbhay cruise missile will be tested in the next couple of weeks and will be inducted into the Indian Army and Navy. The tactical missile has already been deployed in limited numbers in response to the Chinese build-up in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Coming at a time when India is engaged with a belligerent Chinese Army in Ladakh sector, a senior government official said the testing and deployment of short-range delivery platforms clearly conveys Modi Government’s intention of not backing down to any aggression or cartographical expansion plan of any adversary in the neighbourhood.

 
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According to top missile experts, Shaurya is a delivery system stored in a composite canister for rapid deployment and minimum interaction with the elements for a long period. The strategic missile flies at a supersonic speed of Mach 7, or 2.4 km per second, at a height of 50 km (within atmosphere) and hits the designated target at Mach 4. (Wut ? The missile slows down ? why ? terminal stage maneuvers ?)

This is a sort of aerodynamic braking , necessary for the payload section to de-accelerate enough to execute the desired maneuvers , otherwise it will go out of control during force maneuvers.

And Shaurya was in active service since long , public revelation now is simply signalling to the Chinese
 
@_Anonymous_ here you go. An article written by Shishir Gupta.

Govt okays induction of nuke-capable Shaurya missile amid Ladakh standoff

The test firing of 4 missiles by DRDO in a month - the fourth will be tested around mid-October - is a message to the country’s adversary that India will not cow down to any coercion, military or diplomatic

Updated: Oct 06, 2020 12:09 IST
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi


The Narendra Modi government has quietly approved induction and deployment of 700-km range surface-to-surface supersonic Shaurya strategic missile even as forward movement has been recorded in development of 5,000 km range K-5 submarine-launched ballistic missile. Shaurya is the land version of the submarine-launched BA-05 missile and has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO). The land version was discreetly tested for the final time before induction as part of user trials in Odisha’s Balasore on October 3.

According to top missile experts, Shaurya is a delivery system stored in a composite canister for rapid deployment and minimum interaction with the elements for a long period. The strategic missile flies at a supersonic speed of Mach 7, or 2.4 km per second, at a height of 50 km (within atmosphere) and hits the designated target at Mach 4. (Wut ? The missile slows down ? why ? terminal stage maneuvers ?)

The missile will be soon deployed at locations identified by the Indian Strategic Forces Command under guidance from National Security Council. The missile has a warhead weighing around 160 kg. (At that warhead size the missile can reach over 1800 kms)

While the Modi government’s decision to go for a land version is significant as the missile can be launched by a single vehicle, the DRDO is also making rapid strides in the development of a 5,000 km version of the submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM). With a range equivalent to Agni-5 land-based ballistic missile, the K-5 will be deployed on Arihant class of nuclear submarines.

While missile scientists are tight-lipped about the K-5 SLBM, the weapon system is expected to be tested in the next 15 months and then deployed on the 6,000-tonne Arihant class of SSBNs. The second Arihant-class nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arighat, is to be operationalised within the next six months.


The consecutive testing of hypersonic missile (September 7), Shaurya missile (October 3) and supersonic missile assisted release of torpedo (October 5) by DRDO from Balasore are clear signals from the government to the country’s adversary that India will not cow down to any coercion. The 800 km-range subsonic Nirbhay cruise missile will be tested in the next couple of weeks and will be inducted into the Indian Army and Navy. The tactical missile has already been deployed in limited numbers in response to the Chinese build-up in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Coming at a time when India is engaged with a belligerent Chinese Army in Ladakh sector, a senior government official said the testing and deployment of short-range delivery platforms clearly conveys Modi Government’s intention of not backing down to any aggression or cartographical expansion plan of any adversary in the neighbourhood.

That timeline is bit off-mark (read as late) as explained a while back somewhere else. @Amal You remember the timeline I had given, during private group chat, based on available data?
 
What happened to pralay missile? Not even a single test is carried out asper information available in public? Are we still working in this project?
 
Notice the image of the missile on top has the same rubberized skid rings that was seen on the SMART & the Shaurya missile ? This is another derivative of the Shaurya missile isn't it ?

The warhead options are the same as those on the Prithvi missiles.
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RDPS stands for Runaway Denial Penetration Submunitions.